DASHY wrote:
God was the only witness to creation. Stories about God and creation were passed down orally and written down by diverse authors. The entire Bible Story is man's idea of what God has to say in His Word. It's as simple as that.
The Bible story is one point of view, but it is a dead end. There is no possibility of falsifying the contentions. It ignores all questions its claims might raise.
saltwind 78 wrote:
I believe that G-d is eternal. G-d was there way before the Big Bang and will be here long after the universe is gone. I also believe that G-d created the universe through natural law, which includes the laws that made the Big Bang happen. That is a far greater accomplishment, than the supreme being saying Abra cadabra, and more believable. Thats just my thoughts on the matter.
Nothing presented in the OP disagrees with what you have said here.
Parky60 wrote:
So, let's start in Genesis 1:1, with what I consider the most controversial passage of the entire Bible. It says this; "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
If you believe that, nothing else in the Bible is hard to believe. Nothing existed and God created it all out of nothing. God created the universe, the heavens, everything you see, everything you don't see. He created it all. And then He created earth as a special one of the planets to be inhabited by all humankind; the crown of His creation. If you believe that, there's nothing else in the Bible that will be hard for you to believe.
But most people don't make it out of Genesis 1:1 without saying, "No, that's not how it happened." There's no way there was a God who created everything out of nothing, let alone on six literal days. Listen, God created everything out of nothing in six literal 24 hour days, 'cause that's what the Word of God teaches. So, at the end of our day, if we can believe chapter one and verse one, then everything else is not a problem.
So, chapter 1 verse one says that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And so, we see that the earth was formless and void, and there was darkness over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving on the surface of the waters.
You may say so what? But what we have here with further revelation is the Triune God. In the beginning, God, the Hebrew Elohim, plural, the strong, powerful God, created the heavens and the earth. So, who all was there?
In John 1:1, John, speaking of Jesus says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." So, who else was there?
Jesus.
And who else was there? The Holy Spirit hovering over the waters.
So, what do you have? The Father, Son and Holy Spirit creating everything!
Here's what we also know. Because God was the only eyewitness at creation, His testimony is the only one that counts, right?
Charles Darwin wasn't there.
We weren't there.
Nobody else was there.
Anytime you don't believe that God is the only one who created. And anytime you don't believe the way He said what He did, it's because you'd rather believe man's ideas than what God has to say in His Word. It's as simple as that. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
So, let's start in Genesis 1:1, with what I consid... (
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So, you already have your conclusion. It is a settled matter in your mind, then you have nothing to offer this discussion. That is your prerogative. This thread is supposed to be for the exploration of an idea, not a sales job on religion.
Please, if you have only derision and name-calling to add, post it somewhere else. Everyone's contributions are welcome but, seriously, an honest request, let's keep this thread courteous and on topic.
I have spent many years trying to understand the reality that we exist within. Some people are convinced God created everything and others are convinced that God is a byproduct of everything that exists. Either way, we face the same question, where is the point of origin; was there a mysterious Big Bang that started everything or where did God come from in order to create everything. Neither point of view has a logical answer. Where is the point of origin?
So, if God created everything, where did God come from? One could argue that God has always existed but that makes no logical sense. If everything came out of the Big Bang, where did the thing that banged come from? One could say that the material that materialized has always existed but that makes no logical sense either. Perhaps our concept of logic is wrong.
Einstein developed an interesting concept when he presented the world with E=MC2. That equation is the basis of every nuclear power plant, every nuclear weapon and explains radioactive decay. It says that energy and matter can be converted into each other, E=MC2 and M=E/C2. We know it works. We've tested it and some of us are charging our computers by its output. That also confirms the validity of our logic, by the way.
Our brains work by electricity. OK, maybe not exactly, electricity like in your walls, but they do work because various chemicals move electrons about. That is what the EEG machine reads when a patient undergoes a scan.
Are there any circumstances that would allow for energy having always existed? Because, if there is, and if the brain runs on electrical energy then there is no reason God, or a universal mind, could not have evolved in a field of pure energy, able to think and, being energy, manipulate energy to its own ends. After all, brains did, not exactly the same way, I'll grant. We know for a fact that brains have a very long developmental history on Earth.
That is the basis of my considerations, so far. I have not reached a conclusion and may never accomplish that, but it is a beginning point... and yes, energy could have an infinite existence.
random3 wrote:
No one cares when the NSA unconstitutionally wiretaps them, but Americans lose their minds if Google records their web searches.
Americans don't mind if the Gestapo shoots unarmed Americans in the back, but Americans become bats**t insane if Paypal is r****t.
Americans shrug if CNN lies, but Americans completely flip out Fox News doctors a photo.
Americans scream that they are all victims.
Americans lose their heads if C*******ts use teens to push an issue, but why can't N**is use kids to promote an idea?
Americans become rabid nutjobs when statues are torn down, but why don't Americans raise money to erect statues?
Americans became crazy with anger when Obama was nominated for a peace prize, but why don't Americans create a peace prize for Assange?
Americans foam at the mouth if there is an award show for homosexuals, but why don't Americans start an award show for teen entrepreneurs?
Americans don't care when the CIA tortures, but Americans explode if anyone protests tyranny.
WTF?
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You have some very mistaken ideas about Americans, and some very naive understanding of how things work. You must be very young.
permafrost wrote:
Darn....one more time. once again...
it is all about when the state law requires the counting of v**es. Mail-in and in-person..
This information was widely printed before the e******n and proved 100% correct.
And has been repeated over and over.. dozens of articles explaining this with only a few moments internet search..
https://time.com/5907511/e******n-2020-v****g/Pundits saw the phenomenon coming well before E******n Day, dubbing it the “red mirage” or the “blue shift.” There are plenty of examples. Take Wayne County, Michigan, where Detroit is located. Donald Trump, at one point, led Biden in the state by hundreds of thousands of v**es, but as absentee b****ts from the Detroit-metro area flooded in early Wednesday morning, they helped Biden close the gap, reflecting pre-e******n polls showing Democrats were more keen on v****g absentee.
Similar shifts happened in Wisconsin and Virginia. In Wisconsin, where officials aren’t allowed to process mail b****ts until E******n Day, Trump’s 31,000 v**e lead was eviscerated around 5 a.m. Nov. 4 when e******n officials counted 69,000 absentee b****ts advantaging Biden. The Associated Press later called the state for Biden. In Virginia, where most counties tallied in-person v**es first, Trump held a lead for several hours, but as more than 900,000 mail b****ts were chalked up, Biden secured a 9-point lead.
This is all normal, says Washington secretary of state Kim Wyman, a Republican whose state has been conducting e******ns primarily by mail since 2011. “It’s entirely possible in some states, just because of the crushing volumes that they’re anticipating, that they may take a couple of days or a week even to really get through the volume that they’re going to see,” she says. “It doesn’t mean there’s any v***r f***d. It means that they’re really focusing, trying to do it right.”
Darn....one more time. once again... br br it is ... (
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Check out PA: Did Pennsylvania’s e******n laws violate its constitution?
The moment the state legislature in October 2019 passed the change to its e******n laws with mail-in v****g as the base, they violated the state constitution of Pennsylvania. Now, why is that? Under the constitution of Pennsylvania, if there are to be any e******n law changes, you have to amend the constitution. Did they amend the constitution? No.
Check out MI:B****t Harvesting
B****t harvesting, or third-party b****t collection, remains illegal in Michigan. The practice of individuals collecting and submitting b****ts from persons outside their immediate family has long been outlawed; however, just last month Judge Cynthia Stephens issued an injunction permitting the practice. Judge Stephens cited mail delays and C****-** as a reason to contravene the plain language of the law. The Michigan Appeals Court overturned the decision and reinstated the ban on third-party b****t collection.
Absentee B****t Return Deadline
In the same case, Judge Stephens issued a ruling requiring e******n officials to accept b****ts postmarked by November 2 so long as they arrived within 14 days after November 3. The Court of Appeals also overturned this decision and reinstated the requirement that absentee b****ts be received by E******n Day to count.
Illegal, but still counted, not to mention that state judges have no power to change the law.
Try this:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/states-changed-rules-v****g-amid-c****av***s-p******c/story?id=72309089Most of the changes, wh**ever you think of their results or reasons, were made in violation of existing laws.
Ri-chard wrote:
Then may you remain a Citizen Subject and Debt S***e in its bliss.
I choose to be a Free Man as heir to the Creator and administrator for the children of the future. No feelings required, only actions.
I imagine it would depend on what you deem 'Free Man' to mean. You will always be beholden to some group, if nothing else, others who believe as you do. Every group will have rules to restrain you in some way. Your option is now and always, to leave the group. As long as you live within the bounds of the group, you will do what is required in order to survive. If you demand the 'right' to be unencumbered by the group but choose to remain in territory controlled by the group, you will reach a sad end.
permafrost wrote:
I got that also, but the one I missed should have been easy.. I really did know that one, but guessed at a couple others.. the one I missed was the territory.. I knew darn will Guam was a territory but choose St. Martin..
I blew the year the Constitution was adopted.
Ri-chard wrote:
Some Senators serve for a lifetime. It the only job they ever had. Term Limits to 6 or 12 years should be considered.
Easy fix, stop reelecting them.
permafrost wrote:
I have two people, one a relative and one who was a Marine corps buddy, that send me photos and Meme fairly often.. it seems to be the type of photo that gets on face book , but do not recall any origin mentioned by, I think the old Marine..
Now, thinking some more.. think the rock is located in south Asia, so maybe the Marine picked it up on other the facebook..
I was told once that you could post a photo on Google and find the origin. but never have tried it..
Right click on the photo and look at the options. One will include the word 'search'. Click that.
permafrost wrote:
I have two people, one a relative and one who was a Marine corps buddy, that send me photos and Meme fairly often.. it seems to be the type of photo that gets on face book , but do not recall any origin mentioned by, I think the old Marine..
Now, thinking some more.. think the rock is located in south Asia, so maybe the Marine picked it up on other the facebook..
I was told once that you could post a photo on Google and find the origin. but never have tried it..
You won't necessarily find the origin, but you can find other places it is posted including the first place it appeared.
https://www.instantlymodern.com/trending/v***l-photos-f**e-fb/ Halfway down the page is the photo and its real image.
Milosia2 wrote:
Why don’t you show it to the court , and get trump back in the office where he belongs.
Be patient, it will get there... at least, you better hope it gets there because if it doesn't, we no longer have a country and survival in an every-man-for-himself society isn't pretty.