oldroy,
I as I explained before, I threw in Weisenthal's name and his statement because he was a famous guy who pointed out that there were no death camps, and I remember that he mentioned Dachau specifically. There was no "changing the camp name involved. My point, as I will repeat, was to get you to thinking. After all if someone tells you something like, " Death Camps existed, including Dachau" and then a man who is an authority on hunting down N**is and the so called death camps says "Dachau was not a Death Camp" and you hear later that they eventaully admitted that "there were NO Death Camps in Germany" exposing that lie also, wouldn't you wonder if Aushwitz might not also have been lied about?
Loki,
Your post, "You are very quick to call my relatives liars, aren't you? Men who fought the European campaign, one of whom was at Normandy. I would be careful with that. You are supposing all sorts of s**t, and you were not there. As far as your service in Korea, I could just as easily call that bulls**t, now, couldn't I?" sounds more like drunk in a bar trying to pick a fight.
I'm too old to waste any time with you. Believe what you want and live well.
Oldroy..”“Great job of using numbers to try to prove what you want to prove but there were more of those prison camps than the one at Dachau and your reasoning, although being so good weakens a lot when you look to the fact that they were k*****g and cremating in several camps at once. Nice try but I don't think I will join you in supporting the Iranians since I just don't like them much.
Are you and Wiesenthal willing to call the troops that went into Dachau liars? I don't want to do that.
Those deniers, largely left leaning, aren't bothered at all calling those troops who opened those places up after the Germans left, liars. Of course, anything that might work for them is ok with them.”
Oldroy, Whether you like it or not, the numbers being steadily downgraded from 6 millions to 4 millions to 1 million as the past is investigated, should tell you something all by itself. But I just wanted to show that it would have been physically impossible to k**l any large number, by marching them into gas chambers, gassing them and incinerating them. Especially the incineration part, at the rate of 2 to 8 at a time in each of 4 (some claim 8; to incinerate a body takes around 5 hours) “ovens”. Just can’t be done in the period of time that this “Holocaust” was supposed to have occurred.
I invoked Weisenthal’s name because most people, jews and gentiles know of him and the great work he did would trust what he said. If I recall correctly, he spoke about other camps not being “death camps” too, but I am sure he said it about Dachau. What I wanted you to get out of that was that when you find that one part of a story is a lie, It is a clue that other parts are also a lie.
As for allied soldiers and what they were shown at so called death camps, you should take that with a grain of salt. For example the “gas chamber” was claimed, by the Russians who “liberated” the camp, to have been destroyed by the Germans. So the Russians built a “gas “ chamber to photograph and show to visitors to Birkenau. Jarek Mensfelt, spokesman for the Aushwitz Memorial Site, recently announced that they were going to leave the ruins as is. “This is an attempt to keep it as it is now , in ruins, but not let the ruins go . It was meant to be forever as a warning. By the way, the Poles have tested the ruins for traces of poison, and can not find any. In another building there they have found traces of gas. That building had been used for delousing the inmates. There was a great problem with typhus, so all, soldiers and inmates were sprayed with delousing chemicals. The Allies had the same typhus problem. Ask your old timers.
Loki...As far as Holocaust deniers, I have family members who saw some of it, at least, first hand. I had 3 uncles who served in WWII, two of them in the European Theater.
I’ll bet none of them ever saw a true camp survivor. Probably never saw any other than people who had died of wounds, starvation and or disease which runs rampant in a war zone. When you are in a combat zone your whole world is 10 yards wide and 1/4 mile long. At least it was for me during combat in Korea.
My stepmother and her little girl lived in a little dorf (village) in Turingen, south eastern Germany. This was relatively untouched by fighting. But toward the end of the war, as a result of Allied Bombing of rail roads, and highways, there was very little if any food available. Also Germany had quite literally run out of gas. Imagine how it would be if no trucks or trains were able to bring food into your town for 2 or 3 months. My stepmother, who was 5'6" and normally weighed 130 to 140 lbs, went down to 85 lbs in 6 weeks. A human skeleton. She was searching for weeds to cook with the leather from a pair of old boots, which were scraped, cleaned and then boiled day after day to make a kind of soup to feed her and my 7 year old step sister. Once in a while they would find a few mushrooms that the other people in her dorf had not found first. There was no meat available, the locals had hunted it all down.
If your 3 uncles would have seen them and taken pictures, they would have thought that these people were escapees from a concentration camp.
I think that what governments do, the dirty tricks they play to and with their citizens, with this constant teaching of hatred and fear of others, is the worst they do to us. When I was a kid, it was h**e the Japs, h**e the Krauts, h**e the Italians and since I spoke with a German accent at the time, got me in a lot of fights, and beaten up a lot. Then in my teen years, h**e and fear the Russians, the Chinese, the C*******ts. Since c*******ts controlled the little village I had been raised in in Germany, and letters smuggled out of the zone told of the indignities and deprivations foisted on my German relatives still stuck there, I like an i***t joined the Marines to fight those dirty c****es. I ended up k*****g some poor little Chinese guys, who h**ed me so much they would come charging up a hill with nothing but an entrenching tool (only about ½ the gooks had weapons, as the guy with the gun would fall the next guy would pick it up).
Please wake up and smell the B.S. Or just go on as you are.
oldroy , I believe that you have been conned, maybe you have some axe to grind, people talking about the “Holocaust” often do have a large emotional investment in believing this myth.
“It is now approximately seventy years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, twenty million Russians, ten million Christians, and nineteen-hundred Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated. Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world "never forgets."”
I know that some of you will go ballistic but I just get upset when I see people repeating this above kind of nonsense.
Let’s do some due diligence on the above paragraph.
I don’t know about the twenty million Russians, ten million Christians or Catholic priests, but I have long considered the “6 million Jews”.
We used to be told that there were a number of “Death Camps” where Jews were gassed with a insecticide in rooms that would hold 60 or so victims at a time. Then the dead would be placed in “ovens” to be incinerated.
Then it was admitted that there were NO “death camps” in Germany. We were told that one camp in Poland mudered not 6 million, but 4 million jews between the years 1942 and 1944. Now the four million have been changed once again to one million.
One thousand times one thousand is one million.
If I gave you $1,000 today you would probably like that, right? If I gave you $1,000
every day for a year you would have $365,000.
If I gave you $1,000 a day for 3 years you would have just a little over $1,000,000. (Actually 1,095,000.)
You would have to k**l and cremate over 1,000 Jews each day for three full years, to k**l even the 1,000,000 (while the International Red Cross representatives assigned to that camp watched). And do you know how long it takes to cremate a human body?
Simon Weisenthal the n**i h****r, stated “Contrary to Eisenhower’s propaganda films, there was no “gas chamber” at Dachau.”
I could go on and on, but just the above should tell you that something was wrong with the Holocaust story.
The Biggest problem with our “Health Care” is that it is not Health Care. You have been swallowing the Medical/Pharmaceutical/Hospital/Insurance/Government public relations program nonsense. For over 100 years they have been pulling the wool over peoples eyes. Let me explain...
First ...What diseases do doctors cure? ...Answer: NONE. No doctor has ever cured anyone of anything (not even the great and wonderful me.) If someone breaks his arm, and the doctor sets it and puts a cast on it, does the cast cure the broken arm? Or does the arm cure itself?
All other medical problems are healed the same way, by the body getting rid of the damaged, sick tissue and replacing it, cell by cell with new healthy tissue. No one can do that for you.
What can medical doctors do? They render first aid, (setting the broken bone and casting it). And they suppress to some degree, some of the symptoms such as pain. The latter is usually done by giving the patient a little poison called “medicine”...All drugs are poisons, that is why they cause reactions “good” and “bad” and they all have a 50 and 100 LD point. LD means lethal dose, and 50 LD means 50% of people taking that dose of the drug will die, 100 LD means anyone taking that dose of the drug will die. And while suppressing pain or other symptoms may be comforting, and in some cases even temporarily life saving, it is not healthy, or health care.
So don’t blame doctors or nurses when someone dies because of medical care. It is just one of the hazzards of using medical procedures. There are some mistakes made, even you make mistakes. The true figures on how many people die each year as a result of medical care have been claimed to be anywhere from 700,000 to over a million. (Ronald Pero, PhD.)
The biggest problem we have is that because of the public relations programs of the aformentioned groups, people try to use medical care for everything. It is very good in it’s proper place; very bad when used where and when it shouldn’t be used.
Like so much of our world, you only know what you have been taught. There is an enormous lot more out there than you know. And the “Health Care” publicity people don’t want you to know.
Think about it.
O.K. jimahrens, I'm waiting for you to point the direction. I am willing to listen to anyone who doesn't just keep repeating the propaganda they and their teachers have been hypnotized with.
I know this is called a "political " forum, but people have no political clout; that's what I've been trying to get across.
Politics is just to keep the "people" busy talking/arguing rather than doing something so that you won't become rebellious and shake their world. Humans being essentially predators, politicians know very well that if a violent revolution comes, they may well be hung or otherwise die. (Henry Kissinger said openly on T.V."If the people knew what we were doing, they would hang us from the nearest light pole." (That shows what low regard he has for the people, to say that on public television. He knew that the vast majority would never even note what he was implying.
As an aside, you look to be fairly along in years. When you went to public school do you remember pledging allegiance to the f**g, every morning. I remember in first grade that I didn't know what "allegiance" meant, or why I was pledging to a "Republic" for which the f**g stood, which I didn't understand either (and I was afraid to ask the teacher for fear she would chide me. Did you notice that when your grand kids went to school, they too pledged a nonunerstood allegiance to a ??? democracy??? for which the f**g now stood? How many of you reading this know the difference, I wonder.
In what direction should we look, jim?
jimahrens wrote..."Talk is cheap Action requires sacrifice. I have no Idea what you think, except your delusional if you believe things are going to get better tomorrow."
And I couldn't agree more. But what is the point in living like this?
The question is what action can you take, when all the options have been blocked.
V****g won't work because "they" (the psychopaths who have taken over our government) control who can run for office, as well as they control the b****t box and the b****t count, and "recount and recount, until it becomes right".
I begin to get some hope when I see that a few of you are really awakening, (Eagleye13, Terry Hamnblin, and even jimahrens (though he is so mad about what is going on it affects his posts)and I'm sure a lot more of you.
Realize that you are up against pure EVIL, perpetrated by psychopaths, yes reall PSYCHOPATHS, who have as their greatest goal to make your life miserable.
When our forefathers wrote the
constitution to protect us from our government and laid the duty upon us to keep our government. straight they never gave a strategy for doing that other than another bloody revolution (that is what the Second Amendment is about), and their progeny were not yet put to the wall where there was no alternative. And thanks to the powers for that, because revolution just sets up for another group of psychopaths to set up another "Government" which will morph into the horror they always do, over and over everywhere, throughout history..
Remember that when you give someone authority to make "Laws", that they will make them. Every "Law" is designed to take away some of your freedom. All laws either force you to do something you don't want to do, or force you Not to do something you Do want to do. Law Enforcement officers carry weapons to enforce your compliance, just like liquor store robbers do. With the same implied ultimate penalty. Therefore all laws are criminal. You are just brainwashed into believing that they are not. And so they ens***e you and your progeny.
Each year the Govt. passes more laws; how long before no one has any freedom at all.
Life will never be simple, nor will the human race ever move forward as it should until someone invents a tool (doesn't have to be a violent tool) that will allow each of us to protect ourselves against all others. There are a number of quiet little people working in their garages trying to come up with such a self defense tool, that you will be able to make from common substances and part you can buy at you local stores.
Then no one will be able to force you to their will. People will have to learn to deal honestly with each other.
The rule will be MYOB, (mind your own business).
Let me tell you about Florida politcians. I make them out of whole cloth, just like a tailor makes a suit. I get their name in the newspaper. I get them some publicity and get them on the b****t. Then after the e******n, we count the v**es. And if they dont come out right, we recount them. And I recount them again. Until they do.
Edward G. Robinson, who as a gangster in the film Key Largo schools Humphrey Bogart in the fine art of politics.
shawn,
Thank you for your polite and interseting post.
Since I just joined this forum and haden't seen these thoughts on the posts I reviewed,I made the mistake of putting them down here.
Apparently you feel I have stepped on some beliefs that you have had implanted. Didn't mean to do that; just pointing out that whoever you v**ed for were only allowed to run for office if they went along with the groups in power. That they were all the same and your v**e doesn't really count, except to keep you from getting hopless and mad enough to cause a revolution.
The 92.2% can give the impression of being able to think by repeating what they have been taught. They are recognizable by their tendency to become vociferous, attacking the speaker when someone says anything that they don't truly understand and therefore makes them feel threatened.
I had hoped for some intelligent discourse, but I can see that this forum is not for me, and I would only waste my time here.
Have a good life.
Thinker
Jim...Thank you for your polite, errudite and cogent comment. I listened very closely. ;-)
Of course O. doesn't really do anything except act as the front man, and target for all the critisism and other bad stuff.
I'm amazed at the lack of understanding of the average "Amercun". They actually think they have a say in who is put in place as front man. They talk about who they v**ed for, and the fact that they have hardly ever met anyone who admits to v****g for "O". Don't they know that the pres is not elected by "popular v**e", but rather by the e*******l college members, who can put anyone up that they are told to?
Now the fools talk of Trumpy baby who is going to "change things". If he really was, do you think the powers that control the media would ever even allow his name to be mentioned?
92.2% of a given population of humans are incapable of thinking an original thought. It is good that their v**es really don't matter.
Vladimir Pee,
As an asside, how were the cases of rabies dxd. ?
Thinker