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Medical errors now third leading cause of death in United States
May 6, 2016 14:22:05   #
Gatsby
 
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160504085309.htm

And "progressives" think Americans should be penalized for not following the advice of their doctor?

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May 6, 2016 15:05:44   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
So in other words, if you have a heart attack, you are going to ignore your doctors advice! Next time think before you speak!



Gatsby wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160504085309.htm

And "progressives" think Americans should be penalized for not following the advice of their doctor?

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May 6, 2016 15:10:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Gatsby wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160504085309.htm

And "progressives" think Americans should be penalized for not following the advice of their doctor?


Medical errors have been a big problem for a long time and seem to be getting worse. I blame Obama! LOL!

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May 6, 2016 15:15:53   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Medical errors have been a big problem for a long time and seem to be getting worse. I blame Obama! LOL!


Actually, I heard about this on the radio, the data is an average over many years, I blame, Clinton and Bush too. LOL.

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May 6, 2016 15:21:58   #
Gatsby
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
So in other words, if you have a heart attack, you are going to ignore your doctors advice! Next time think before you speak!


Next time that You have a heart attack, you might want to consider that your doctor, and the medications
which he prescribed, or mis-prescribed, may have caused it.

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May 6, 2016 15:37:28   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Duh! Any intelligent person knows to always seek a second opinion for any diagnosis!

Fact: Bernie Sanders committee held hearings on this issue years ago, and found the medical mistakes were becoming a major issue over 15yrs ago!


http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records


Gatsby wrote:
Next time that You have a heart attack, you might want to consider that your doctor, and the medications
which he prescribed, or mis-prescribed, may have caused it.

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May 6, 2016 15:48:12   #
Gatsby
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Duh! Any intelligent person knows to always seek a second opinion for any diagnosis!

Fact: Bernie Sanders committee held hearings on this issue years ago, and found the medical mistakes were becoming a major issue over 15yrs ago!


http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records


Thank you for making my point, 4,000,000 bodies since 2000, and yet this is not an issue worthy of political note?

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May 6, 2016 16:17:49   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Denial in the medical community is huge, too. They try to point to difficult cases, poor patient compliance, etc but in reality, it is actually errors in both judgement and simply errors such as over prescribing, reading an order wrong and even getting left and right mixed up or performing a procedure on the wrong patient. Time out procedures have helps some but it is apparently still getting worse.

in healthcare Ii have often been astounded by the lack of urgency in the hospital setting. Even in the ER, I notice a very nonchalant approach to triage and emergency situations. Doctors order STAT testing and imaging only to wait 24 to 48 hours to review it.

I dare say though, if insurance and reimbursement weren't such an issue, it might not be as bad as it is now. And to be honest, US doctors still have their Gawd complex going strong.

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May 6, 2016 17:14:25   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
I posted an article about this years ago, evidently you were ignorant about the issue until today, speaks volumes about your lack of intelligence! ! Aug. 2013

http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-53375-1.html

5th comment down!


Gatsby wrote:
Thank you for making my point, 4,000,000 bodies since 2000, and yet this is not an issue worthy of political note?

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May 6, 2016 17:23:49   #
L8erToots
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Denial in the medical community is huge, too. They try to point to difficult cases, poor patient compliance, etc but in reality, it is actually errors in both judgement and simply errors such as over prescribing, reading an order wrong and even getting left and right mixed up or performing a procedure on the wrong patient. Time out procedures have helps some but it is apparently still getting worse.

in healthcare Ii have often been astounded by the lack of urgency in the hospital setting. Even in the ER, I notice a very nonchalant approach to triage and emergency situations. Doctors order STAT testing and imaging only to wait 24 to 48 hours to review it.

I dare say though, if insurance and reimbursement weren't such an issue, it might not be as bad as it is now. And to be honest, US doctors still have their Gawd complex going strong.
Denial in the medical community is huge, too. The... (show quote)
I (unfortunately) have had much experience with doctors, hospitals and ER's and I have to agree with you. My experiences have taught me that as "consumers" of "medical care services" we (individuals) have to do our due diligence in who we "hire" to take care of our medical issues. If you believe you know your body and are capable of coming up with a possible diagnosis to help your doctor, hire a doctor that is willing to be open minded to this. If a doctor prescribes a medication, get on the Internet and check to make sure it's the right medication if you have any doubt (or haven't heard of the medication before). In this day and age of available information there's no reason to blindly put your health and life into the hands of any doctor or care facility unless you want to.
FYI - I suggest and recommend The Mayo Clinics and hospitals if you are fortunate enough to live near one. If you are on Medicare, they will ONLY charge for services the amount that Medicare will cover. If you want information on conditions or medications, their website www.mayoclinic.org is an excellent resource.

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May 6, 2016 17:55:28   #
PeterS
 
Gatsby wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160504085309.htm

And "progressives" think Americans should be penalized for not following the advice of their doctor?

What are you talking about? What does "medical errors" have to do with following your doctors advice?

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May 6, 2016 18:13:45   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Medical errors have been a big problem for a long time and seem to be getting worse. I blame Obama! LOL!

When I had my stroke I was discharged with a bladder infection, C-diff, MARSIA (sp), and a list of other aliments that had I not been in the hospital I would have never had. That said, the hospital and the staff there saved my life. Yes, medical errors are a problem, but we shouldn't forget that the lives they save far out weighs those that they loose.

The biggest problem in hospitals doesn't lie with the doctors or the nurses--the various hospitals I've been in they've been top notch. Where they fail are with the techs--the people who come to your rescue when you need to go to the bathroom, and clean up your crap when you don't make it. That's the worst job in the hospital and usually filled by the lowest of the low. Few speak English as a first language and if you ever complain about them there can be a serious threat of reprisal. All the ailments I got while in the hospital come from techs who had poor hygiene or just piss poor techniques when handling patients. The above is just my opinion of course--don't want any techs hunting me down for revenge....

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May 6, 2016 19:54:41   #
L8erToots
 
PeterS wrote:
When I had my stroke I was discharged with a bladder infection, C-diff, MARSIA (sp), and a list of other aliments that had I not been in the hospital I would have never had. That said, the hospital and the staff there saved my life. Yes, medical errors are a problem, but we shouldn't forget that the lives they save far out weighs those that they loose.

The biggest problem in hospitals doesn't lie with the doctors or the nurses--the various hospitals I've been in they've been top notch. Where they fail are with the techs--the people who come to your rescue when you need to go to the bathroom, and clean up your crap when you don't make it. That's the worst job in the hospital and usually filled by the lowest of the low. Few speak English as a first language and if you ever complain about them there can be a serious threat of reprisal. All the ailments I got while in the hospital come from techs who had poor hygiene or just piss poor techniques when handling patients. The above is just my opinion of course--don't want any techs hunting me down for revenge....
When I had my stroke I was discharged with a bladd... (show quote)
My Great-Grandfather, who was a doctor, ALWAYS said that the last place you want to be when you're sick is a hospital. He practiced medicine, and performed surgeries (obviously not all types) in his home for over 50 years.

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May 6, 2016 20:00:28   #
PeterS
 
L8erToots wrote:
My Great-Grandfather, who was a doctor, ALWAYS said that the last place you want to be when you're sick is a hospital. He practiced medicine, and performed surgeries (obviously not all types) in his home for over 50 years.


Like I said, the hospital and the doctors and nurses there saved me. At the same time, had I been there any longer they may well have k**led me. I had a choice of going home with an I-V in my arm and having to hand a bag of antibiotics myself. I said show me how, they did, and they finally let me go.

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May 7, 2016 16:10:47   #
thinksense
 
The Biggest problem with our “Health Care” is that it is not Health Care. You have been swallowing the Medical/Pharmaceutical/Hospital/Insurance/Government public relations program nonsense. For over 100 years they have been pulling the wool over peoples eyes. Let me explain...

First ...What diseases do doctors cure? ...Answer: NONE. No doctor has ever cured anyone of anything (not even the great and wonderful me.) If someone breaks his arm, and the doctor sets it and puts a cast on it, does the cast cure the broken arm? Or does the arm cure itself?
All other medical problems are healed the same way, by the body getting rid of the damaged, sick tissue and replacing it, cell by cell with new healthy tissue. No one can do that for you.

What can medical doctors do? They render first aid, (setting the broken bone and casting it). And they suppress to some degree, some of the symptoms such as pain. The latter is usually done by giving the patient a little poison called “medicine”...All drugs are poisons, that is why they cause reactions “good” and “bad” and they all have a 50 and 100 LD point. LD means lethal dose, and 50 LD means 50% of people taking that dose of the drug will die, 100 LD means anyone taking that dose of the drug will die. And while suppressing pain or other symptoms may be comforting, and in some cases even temporarily life saving, it is not healthy, or health care.

So don’t blame doctors or nurses when someone dies because of medical care. It is just one of the hazzards of using medical procedures. There are some mistakes made, even you make mistakes. The true figures on how many people die each year as a result of medical care have been claimed to be anywhere from 700,000 to over a million. (Ronald Pero, PhD.)

The biggest problem we have is that because of the public relations programs of the aformentioned groups, people try to use medical care for everything. It is very good in it’s proper place; very bad when used where and when it shouldn’t be used.

Like so much of our world, you only know what you have been taught. There is an enormous lot more out there than you know. And the “Health Care” publicity people don’t want you to know.

Think about it.

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