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Jun 2, 2013 16:11:42   #
Dave wrote:
Once again would state that you either have standards as regards to recognizing marriage or you don't. If the standard you have is it be between consenting adults, then all forms of such relationships should be granted equal status - that is marriage between consenting adults regardless of their number or even their relationship.

Those who support gay marriage stay far away from this discussion - wonder why?


Why do gays make such an issue of gay marriage, some ask? Because everyone has a right to decide who their insurance will cover, and make difficult medical decisions for them if the need arises.

They have a right to be sure that their wills and bequests are honored if the pre-decease their life partners. Legally-protected marriages are (for the time being) the only way to guarantee that a person's interests will be respected and their wishes represented in such things. THAT'S why.

Where are the supporters of gay marriage when it comes to this issue, you ask? We're right here, and we're not going anywhere!
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May 23, 2013 21:01:40   #
overvolt wrote:
Actually we put up with MORE of this from Bush 43...but then there's allot of history rewriting going on by the radical right. Learn your history, the great depression, the great recession, both start by the radical right...LEARN YOUR HISTORY!
B******i??? Under Bush 54 attacks on American overseas soil, 13 Americans k**led...PLUS 9/11...all this is fine with the radical right? Sure was, not one word from ANY of these nuts!
This IRS crap? Any right winger out there know who Douglas Shulman is...I seriously doubt it. He was in charge of the IRS when this latest "right wing crap" hit the fan. Who appointed Shulman, well none other than Bush in March of 08! Another dingy right winger who can't do his job.
BUt then like any good goose stepper, don't bother with the facts, just watch Fox news, they'll tell you what you can think...I suppose that's why this country just gets dumber and dumber...you got 50% of the right that's brainless (like the above quote) and 25% of the left and just as stupid.
Actually we put up with MORE of this from Bush 43.... (show quote)


Bless your heart, Overvolt. Thanks for doing your part to put the ignorant in their place.
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May 23, 2013 20:59:42   #
lana ward wrote:
We are under c*******m with Sambo as dictator. Things in America have never been as bad as they are now. Sambo is working as hard as he can to destroy everything that has made us great. With dictators from around the world loving his terrorist ass--should tell you something. 5 years of this monster-things should be turning around, instead they are getting worse. Heil Ohitler!!!


SAMBO???

What an outrageous r****t comment. It's people like you the President was talking about at the time of the 2012 e******n when he spoke about those who want to take us back to the social policies of the 1950's. Your phony red-baiting remarks also remind me of that decade's paranoid mindset.

We are NOT living under c*******m, which is a planned, centrally-directed economy. Ours is a free-market economy.

You also called the president a dictator. You seem to have forgotten about Dubya and his so-called "Patriot" act. This legislation, rammed through congress after 9/11 gave L'il Bush (and the people who used him) the authority to spy on anyone they wanted. All done to make us "safer" as a part on his "war on terror." Whenever someone pointed out that this violates the Bill of Rights, he would just say "we need to do it." Now that's what I call being a dictator.

What an i***t you are, saying things like that. If Obama was a dictator, you wouldn't have been allowed to stay alive after making those remarks. If we lived under a central-american type dictator you would have simply disappeared.

It's too bad when free speech also protects these types of lies from ignorant excuses for humanity like you.
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May 20, 2013 14:04:46   #
OPP Newsletter wrote:
http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/whistleblower-al-qaeda-chief-u-s-asset/


Wow.

Maybe it wouldn't be so troubling if these things had been confined to one administration or another, but this mess goes back decades.

What makes me madder than anything is to learn how US government and NATO officials have been bringing heroin into our country for so long. I see drug abuse as the biggest social problem we face today. Yet our own military and our overseas allies facilitate the production and importation of this poison. When I read this story I remembered the news reports about how the CIA used to bring cocaine into our country back in the 1980's. I thought it was an isolated thing, but now it looks as though it has continued ever since, and probably before that.

How can these people live with themselves, knowing they're doing so much to cause so much misery?
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May 16, 2013 23:13:16   #
oldroy wrote:
Obama's outrage was no more than noise he made and he won't clean up that bunch any time soon since they are his enforcement people for Obamacare. If we think what has been learned this week about them is bad just wait till they finish playing the game with that "law".

There is one very simple way to do away with the Internal Revenue Service and that would be to shut down the whole tax system and go to a Fair Tax where no taxes are paid other than the sales tax we all get to pay on everything we buy. There would have to be some agency to help it work but it wouldn't have to be the IRS. We don't have to keep them around unless we have too many people who just don't know what is really going on.
Obama's outrage was no more than noise he made and... (show quote)


That would be far better than the present system, but if no one pays income tax, the sales tax would have to be very high; something like 40% would be necessary to keep the country functioning.

In it's purest form, this method would hit the poorest Americans very hard and some exclusions would have to be made. But on the whole, not a bad idea.
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May 16, 2013 22:58:52   #
The Dutchman wrote:
Have you looked at The Flat Tax?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax


Thanks for the link.

This kind of tax seems to me the fairest and simplest way of all. The Negative income tax plan in the article allows for people living under a minimum level to not have to pay tax on their income at all. This would also ensure that wealthy Americans would pay the same rates as anyone else whose earnings place them above the poverty line.
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May 16, 2013 22:11:50   #
The Dutchman wrote:
Understanably so....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax


Thanks for the link; it made for interesting reading.

This method of taxation is too complicated, and would cost too much to implement, maintain, and enforce. It would probably not provide any more revenue to the government, either. It initially relies too much on the proposed sales tax and "pre-bates," as the Wikipedia article states.

In other words, it's not much better than the present system. And of course, the usual loopholes let the super-rich avoid paying their fair share of income tax. Everyone should have to pay the same rates on all their income, wh**ever that rate would be. Something like 12% would be a reasonable figure.

But anyone who expects the IRS to reform itself is dreaming. Anyone who tries to fight them always loses, whether taxpayers or legislators who think they can reign them in. No agency with so much power and authority will let it go voluntarily.
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May 16, 2013 21:00:00   #
James1948 wrote:
I am super poor because of the IRS... lost my money attempting to start a private new tech company... I kept bad records gathering knowledge and tried to do my own records.... knowing accounting and tax laws somewhat... I lost to the IRS... I owed so much from borrowed stock account... garnishment is not fun... but I have hope one day that the IRS will bail me out.... garnishment for two years is getting pretty tough... and I am a registered Republican...I am a Patriot... I served our country... and I cannot at this time honestly file my taxes... I support the FairTax...
I am super poor because of the IRS... lost my mone... (show quote)


What is the "FairTax?" I've never heard of this.
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May 16, 2013 19:39:01   #
The Dutchman wrote:
Now just why would any patriotic conservative American want to go there. They all have the very same type of government you obozo supporters want for us so why don't you go there and leave us normal folks alone?


Dutchman, you missed my point completely when you ask why any conservatives would want to go there. My meaning was that I wished oldroy would go there.

Why don't you and oldroy charter a boat, set your sails for Pyongyang, and share expenses? As I said, North Korea is lovely this time of year. And once again, be sure to tell them that you two are Americans. I promise, you'll get a reception you'll never forget.

Bon voyage!
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May 16, 2013 19:26:25   #
oldroy wrote:
Fast, I think I suggested that this would be a good read for a conservative. You are not conservative and since you tried to discuss nothing but the title of the thread, I believe I must say that I am sure you didn't read word one. Great progressive behavior, sir.


Yes, oldroy, I did read the article. To be honest I did agree with much of it, but not all.

The IRS has become a law unto itself; an un-American institution if ever there was one. They are the only entity in the country that can take a Senior Citizen's Social Security funds out of their bank account, and they don't hesitate to do it. Unfortunately it's here to stay. The only way to dislodge them would be via revolution.

They have absolutely no right to use their muscle against ANY political group the way they have for the last 60 years or so. The President's anger about all this is genuine, and I hope he uses every method at his disposal to make them play by the same rules any other government organisation.

The IRS bullies responsible for this outrage belong in Leavenworth.
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May 16, 2013 15:07:58   #
oldroy wrote:
I don't like to go along with being nice to them but that is what this man says. Many quotes from famous writers don't seem to go along with being nice to them. A good read if you are kind of conservative.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/10856/what-to-do-now-if-youre-a-conservative-and-get-audited-by-the-irs/


What to do if you're a conservative and get audited?

I suggest emigration; perhaps to Somalia, Yemen, or Iran. I hear North Korea is lovely in springtime.
When you get there, be sure to tell them you're an American.
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May 15, 2013 01:18:28   #
TheChardo wrote:
Right on Skyiewolf! Welcome. Be prepared to catch some sh*t here. I'm usually the only lightning rod for the crazies here


Like I always say, resistance is futile!
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May 9, 2013 22:38:06   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I want you to explain it to me. Or do you hold a double standard: One for people who use words like epidemiological and another for yourself?


I'll explain what Chardo meant, Augustus. He was referring to the mass suicide in Jonestown, Guyana in 1979. Rev. Jim Jones had his personal staff prepare large amounts of punch mixed with poison. After his followers had all participated in a mass-suicide, he shot himself in the head. If I remember right, close to a thousand people, including young children, died there. It was a great tragedy.
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May 9, 2013 15:10:40   #
Zemirah wrote:
Psalm 2:1-4: "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against Jehovah, and against his anointed, [saying], Let us tear their fetters apart And cast away their cords from us! The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them."

This is NOT the Gay Manifesto or The Homosexual Manifesto. This is a conservative Christian, William Dannemeyer, looking down the corridor of time, during the last twenty four (24) plus years, from 1989, foreseeing much more accurately than either of the aforementioned manifestos the homosexualization of the nation, for he understands the spiritual source of their appeal to an ungodly and spiritually unschooled generation.

A nation that has locked out the Holy Bible, and the Creator who inspired it from our schools and universities since the 1960's, fifty plus years, is as vulnerable as Eve was to a lie, for they have no spiritual maturity. Congressman Dannemeyer accurately portrays the spiritual lies of those who falsely claim that Jesus never denounced homosexuality, for they make this claim repeatedly now.

John 1:1-5: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it".

John 15:26; 16:13-14: [Jesus said, "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of t***h who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. However, when He, the Spirit of t***h, has come, He will guide you into all t***h; for He will not speak on His own [authority], but wh**ever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you."

All the words in the Bible were the words of Jesus, given to the minds of the Apostles who wrote the New Testament by the Holy Spirit, as Jesus promised, and before that, because, Jesus said, "Before Moses was, I Am", and has eternally coexisted with the Father and the Holy Spirit, all the words in the Old Testament were also the words of Jesus, inspired to the minds of the Old Testament Prophets, by the Holy Spirit.

An excerpt from "Shadow In The Land," 1989, by Congressman William Dannemeyer, pages 105-107

The Religious Dilemma

"Let me paraphrase the argument the homosexual community is making in its assault on the Christian community. While what I say will be simpler and more straightforward than the usual statements made by homosexual leaders, I submit that I am not exaggerating either the message we are receiving or the rhetoric in which it is couched. This, then, is that message:

"We, the homosexual population, are now convinced from the few studies that support the claim that our sexual orientation is the product of hereditary factors. Homosexuality, therefore is a natural condition--i.e., one produced by nature, and as such was created by God (if there is a God) and therefore is good. As a matter of fact, not only is homosexuality no more than an "alternate life-style," it is also equal to heterosexuality and should be so regarded by Christians and Jews.

"As for the Bible, much of what is written there is the product of ignorance and primitive superstition. The Jewish prohibition against 'sodomy' was instituted
because of tribal needs for more progeny. (Homosexuals did not produce children.) The Apostle Paul, who spoke against homosexuality with particular emphasis, was at the very least influenced by the idea that Christ would be returning any day and that sexual involvement would therefore detract from spiritual pr********ns. Then, too, Paul himself seemed to have had some hang-ups, and his homophobia may have been evidenced of repressed homosexual feelings on his part--the 'thorn in his flesh.'

"As for Jesus, He never said a word of condemnation against homosexuality, a fact that indicates that He really didn't see anything wrong with such attachments.

"Relying on these isolated statements in the Bible, as well as an ongoing tradition of bigotry, Jews and Christians have been homophobes for the better part of 3,000 years, persecuting homosexuals more than any other minority in the history of Western civilization.

"But now the tide has turned. We have at last 'come-out,' and in so doing we have exposed the mean-spirited nature of Judeo-Christian morality. You have been narrow-minded and self-righteous. But with the help of a growing number of your own membership, we are going to force you to recant everything you have ever believed or said about sexuality. Here are some of the things you will be expected to affirm, in the process of renouncing love, marriage, and family:

1. Henceforth homosexuality will be spoken of in your churches and synagogues as an 'honorable estate.'

2. You can either let us marry people of the same sex or better yet abolish marriage altogether, since it will give the lie to everything you have said and done in the past about sexuality.

3. You will also be expected to offer ceremonies that bless our sexual arrangements, whether or not you retain marriage as something to be celebrated in your churches.

4. You will also instruct your young people in homosexual as well as heterosexual behavior, and you will go out of your way to make certain that homosexual youths are allowed to date, attend religious functions together, openly display affection, and enjoy each other's sexuality without embarrassment or guilt.

5. If any of the older people in your midst object, you will deal with them sternly, making certain they renounce their ugly and ignorant homophobia or suffer public humiliation.

6. You will also make certain that all of the prestige and resources of your institutions are brought to bear on the community, so that laws are passed forbidding discrimination against homosexuals and heavy punishments are assessed. We expect and demand the same commitment to us that you made to B****s and to women, though their suffering has not been as great as ours.

7. Finally, we will in all likelihood want to expunge a number of passages from your Scriptures, and rewrite others, eliminating preferential treatment of marriage and using words that will allow for homosexual interpretations of passages describing biblical lovers such as Ruth and Boaz or Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.

"Warning: If all of these things do not come to pass quickly, we will subject orthodox Jews and Christians to the most sustained hatred and vilification in recent memory. We have captured the liberal establishment and the press. We have already beaten you on a number of battlefields. And we have the spirit of the age on our side. [The god of this age (who is spirit) is Satan.] You have neither the faith nor the strength to fight us, so you might as well surrender now."

2 Corinthians 4:4: " The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
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Zemira, I read your post with great interest. Until recently I had never heard of this Manifesto. I agree with some of it, but not all of it. I think most of it is a fabrication, though. But that's just one person's opinion (mine).

I don't agree with your position on this topic, but I want to tell you that I respect you for refraining from the coarse and h**eful insults that some others have posted here. You stated your beliefs with clarity, and in a civil manner. That is admirable.

We are free to disagree and have a spirited exchange of views while remaining respectful to our fellow citizens. I believe that this is why the USA is the greatest country on earth.
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May 9, 2013 00:42:13   #
The Dutchman wrote:
The Dutchman wrote:
fastwalker wrote:
Answer his question, dutchman. Put your insults aside for a moment and just answer him.

If your talking about it's "How will denying rights to gays stem the spread of HIV.....can't wait to hear from you big guy"

I have answered this to it so many times before it's ridicules, and queenie keeps ignoring it! Every time new q***rs sign on it tries to get yoouse guys to bug be about the same old bovine crap.

So just for the hell of it let me try one more time just for your sake. Nobody is trying to deny rights to the f*ggots, I just don't believe they have the right to special rights and should be held liable for the spread of aids in this country before ANYTHING else is given any consideration!
Now is there any part of this hard for you to understand?

& just why is calling a spade a spade throwing dirt? Look up the definition for q***r!

And just what kind of language is it and just how is it different from calling me rabit?
The Dutchman wrote: br fastwalker wrote: br Answer... (show quote)


I never called you a rabbit. The tone of your elegant and dignified prose is what makes me speculate on a diagnosis of rabies. That's because you go on and on like a mad dog who should be put out of his misery, also the suffering you try to impose on others.

As for the misery of which I speak, my meaning is this: people with so much hatred in their hearts can't be happy. I genuinely feel sorry for you, and I'm not being sarcastic when I say this.

Find something positive to put your energies into; take pleasure in a hobby that brings you knowledge and expands your world. Again, I am sincere when I say this to you. I hope that someday you will find some humanity in your heart.
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