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Aug 12, 2019 11:29:36   #
Parky60 wrote:
How Our Constitution Was Supposed to Work: New Evidence Comes to Light
Rob Natelson ~ August 11, 2019
Judging by the promises of p**********l candidates, you might think the federal government is designed to fix wh**ever ails us: health care, education, crime, infrastructure, the common cold.

But the Constitution doesn’t grant the federal government such unlimited authority. And neither Congress nor the presidency nor the courts were created to exercise it.

The Constitution fashioned the federal government to address a limited number of activities, contained in the document’s “enumerated powers.” The remainder were exclusively the domain of state and local government and the private sector. This system of divided authority is called “federalism.”

As explained below, newly published documents from America’s founding offer more insight into how federalism was supposed to work.

When the proposed Constitution became public on Sept. 17, 1787, Americans could see that the list of powers the Constitution granted the federal government was a generous one. It encompassed nearly the entire scope of national defense and foreign affairs. It embraced certain key economic functions, such as patents, copyrights, and trade flowing across political borders. It included authority in certain cases to prevent states from abusing their own citizens. The list also included authority to hold the union together.

But the framers recognized that most problems weren’t problems the federal government could, or should, solve. That is why they left most areas of life to the exclusive responsibility of state and local governments and the private sector.

Despite the Constitution’s federal structure, many in the founding generation didn’t think it limited the central government sufficiently. They wanted to be able to govern themselves in their own states and local communities. They didn’t want Congress or federal judges or officials imposing uniform policies on the entire country.

These members of the founding generation had good reasons for fearing centralized power. They knew their history: Concentrated power usually grows into oligarchy or dictatorship. They questioned whether Congress would have the information or judgment necessary to tailor laws for every nook and cranny in the nation. They recognized that when government remained local, citizens enjoyed more say in how it was run. If someone was severely disaffected with state policies, he always could move to a different state.

This option of moving away is a vital safety valve. Without it, there is no practical way to vent anger among persistent political losers. Anger gives rise to h**e: H**e fosters d******eness and repression and, and in extreme cases, civil war.

Indeed, modern federal efforts to impose uniform “solutions” on the entire nation may be a leading cause of today’s toxic political environment.

The perception that the Constitution endangered local self-government was a central reason many Americans—perhaps a majority—initially opposed it.

The Constitution’s advocates knew that unless they reassured the dissenters, the public would never adopt it. So they promised that once the government was functioning, they would offer constitutional amendments to further limit central power. They honored that promise. The amendments are known as the Bill of Rights.

But advocates of the Constitution also adopted another course of action less known today. They gave speeches and wrote articles explaining to the people how the Constitution limited federal power. Sensing the need to be specific, they listed government functions that would be outside the federal sphere. These would be the exclusive province of state governments and the private sector.

The Constitution’s advocates further reassured the public that if the central government passed laws exceeding its authority, the courts would declare them unconstitutional.

Most of the advocates issuing these lists were lawyers. They knew that the courts give great respect to representations about a law from the law’s sponsors.

Some of the advocates who issued lists of nonfederal powers remain famous today. Among them were James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Marshall (long before he became chief justice). Others are less known, but their essays were popular during the debates over the Constitution: Tench Coxe of Pennsylvania, Alexander Contee Hanson of Maryland, James Iredell of North Carolina, and others.

Coxe may have been the most widely read among the general public. He was a Philadelphia businessman who served in the Confederation Congress (1789) and later as our first assistant secretary of the treasury.

Most of Coxe’s essays have long been freely available, but four were hidden from all but constitutional scholars. But those four finally were re-published earlier this year.

Coxe’s essays itemize many of the activities over which the Constitution granted the federal government little or no jurisdiction. Among them were social services (i.e., care for the poor and health care), education, religion, real estate, local businesses, most roads and other infrastructure, nearly all criminal law matters, and most civil court cases.

When people believed government should regulate those areas, the Constitution mandated that they turn to state and local government. No fleeting national coalition would be permitted to dictate to the entire country.

Until the 1930s, the courts voided any measure exceeding the federal government’s enumerated powers. During the New Deal, this began to change. Although many believe that the change occurred because President Franklin Roosevelt threatened the Supreme Court, modern research suggests there were other reasons.

In any event, the Constitution’s plan of federalism stopped operating as Coxe and other founders designed it. But reading Coxe’s essays enables us to recapture how federalism was supposed to work.
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Aug 12, 2019 11:11:52   #
PeterS wrote:
Good point. I just think it gets sticky when we start separating families and then blame other presidents for establishing the policy--as if we were helpless to form our own policy.

As for Trump, I think he has proven he is above the law. He has an AG who will protect him even if he is in the wrong and if that fails he has a supreme court that will protect him and if that fails there is no shortage of those on the far-right who would love for the opportunity to protect him by o*******wing the democrat party. That much protection from that many people makes one above the law. Fortunately, I don't think he is above our e*******l laws so no matter what happens in 2020 he will be gone by 2024...
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Kinda like Obama being protected on his fast and furious, or Hillary and her E-mail, or her and the DNC contriving a false document to try to reverse the 2016 e******n. (I wonder how many Dems were in on that)
and this is just a sample of what went on in the last admin.
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Aug 12, 2019 11:01:09   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
As clear as it is to ANY honest person who can read, there will still be those, even on this forum who, like the current democrat candidates, who will continue to make the claim that the president said all immigrants are animals. I just heard Beto this morning say that Trump now calls the immigrants an infestation, a term now made popular by the comment he made about Baltimore being "rat infested," which it is.

I am continually astounded at how people in the 21st century, knowing we can read and watch and listen to these issues over and over again, still make the false claims about his statements.
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I agree with all you have said, BUT, there is a great number of Trump hatters that will not see or hear of any good he has done, They follow blindly the people that trash talk the POTUS and have since before he was sworn in.

The Dems have obstructed the President and his party and lied about what is being done to the Immigrants rushing our borders illegally being something that is his fault when it is congress that made the laws he is following, and the only body that can change those laws. The sanctuary states and cities are encouraging the i*****l i*********n, and that body of Trump hatters want to put immigrants above of the US citizen with free everything.

They blame him for separating families, that is exactly what happens to any US citizen with children that break the law and has to be incarcerated.

The list of lies of the Trump hatters is so long, it goes on and on, but you just can't cure stupidity. Some people can't see the forest for the trees.
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Aug 8, 2019 10:38:40   #
Born on August 4, 1962, Lori Lightfoot is an American politician and the mayor-elect of Chicago who has become the first black female and first openly gay leader of Chicago. As a Democrat, she defeated Republican’s Toni Preckwinkle for the position of Mayor of Chicago.
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Aug 8, 2019 07:41:28   #
You are absolutely correct, what we need is more gun control, something like Chicago, the city with the most strict gun laws in the country !!! OH WAIT A MINUTE, that wouldn't work, because that would just show that if you restrict gun ownership people become sheep and the criminal gets to commit crimes free from consequence of an armed shop owner, home owner or bystander.
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Aug 8, 2019 07:06:04   #
proud republican wrote:
Why???....As horrible as this weekend been for mass shootings,nobody is talking about shootings in Chicago..It seems more b****s are k**led every weekend in Chicago violence...But you would not know that ,because MSM is more worried about racially motivated shootings by some Trump supporting W***e S*********t then black on black shootings....And why not???With this weekend mass shooting you can blame President of the United States,as oppose to just b****s k*****g b****s where you cant blame this horrible President.....Its not fun to blame Democratic Mayor who runs Chicago.....God forbid you blame her, then you are a r****t!!!.....So if i was black Chicagoian i would scream at the top of my lungs"What about us????....We are dying too!!!...Doesn't anyone cares???"
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Can't talk about Chicago, the city with the most strict gun laws in the country because that would show that if you restrict gun ownership people become sheep and the criminal gets to commit crimes free from consequence of an armed shop owner, home owner or bystander.
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Jul 9, 2019 11:45:11   #
Thank you for that, I had missed that point, my bad.
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Jul 9, 2019 10:09:47   #
MR Mister wrote:
Morons running Congress.

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer, and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 8.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.

You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the groundwork for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the Government.

This should be read and understood by all American's Democrats, Republicans, EVERYONE!!

To the 535 v****g members of the Legislature

It is now official that the majority of you are corrupt morons :

a. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 244 years to get it right and it is broke.

b. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 84 years to get it right and it is broke.

c. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 81 years to get it right and it is broke.

d. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and t***sferred to "the poor" and they only want more.

e. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.

Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 49 years to get it right and it is broke.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.


IF you keep this circulating. It is very well stated. Maybe it will end up in the e-mails of some of our "duly elected' (they never read anything) and their staff will clue them in on how Americans feel.
AND

I know what's wrong. We have lost our minds to "Political Correctness!

Someone, please tell me what the HELL's wrong with all the people that run this country!

We're "broke" & can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless, etc.

In the last few months, we have provided aid to Haiti, Chile, and Turkey And now Pakistan previous home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!! (And you can't agree to a simple $5B for a wall to help keep us safe?!!!)

Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks.

AMERICA: a country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without 'needed' meds, and mentally ill without treatment - etc, etc.

And the CRAZIES in California want to give "free" medical care to i*****l a***ns.

My friends, nothing is "free". You and me, the working Americans will be taxed to pay for this giveaway!!

Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries. Sad isn't it?



"GOD BLESS AMERICA. IN GOD I TRUST"
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Thank you for pointing out that the government can't seem to do anything except ruin most everything they try to fix. You mention social security, I have paid into the system 50 years, along with my employers and now retired. The raises that we get are minuscule if any, but to make it taxable under Clinton/Gore was a real slap in the face to the people dependant on it. 50 years interest-free money to the government
and they continue to abuse the elderly.
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Jun 20, 2019 19:06:28   #
we might even get a rebate
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Jun 20, 2019 10:23:26   #
I have an eternal hope, but no confidence that anything will ever be done to bring down the Clinton cartel.
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Jun 20, 2019 09:56:19   #
If the Dems want to pay r********ns to ease their feeling of guilt, (because only Dems owned s***es) I think the Dems should be the ones to pay.
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