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Nov 24, 2013 00:33:26   #
bmac32 wrote:
Better check the score card.

http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/article/2012/jun/01/scorecard-economy-obama/


I heard an interesting statistic the other day: 90% of the jobs created under this regime have been part time jobs. You can add the millions of people who had their hours cut to 28/week so their employers didn't have to pay into ObamaCare.

Additionally, don't look at the unemployment numbers because they are fudged royally. "Seasonally adjusted" means the government has screwed with the actual numbers so it doesn't look so bad. Instead, take a hard look at the actual employed numbers (they are fudges, too) get a different perspective.

Just to show you how things aren't as they seem, get a load of this line from the Labor Department:

"Both the number of unemployed persons, at 11.3 million, and the
unemployment rate, at 7.3 percent, changed little in October. Among the unemployed, however, the number who reported being on temporary layoff
increased by 448,000."

Okay, the unemployment rate stayed the same while adding nearly a half million idle workers. The stats are obviously cooked. It gets better.

"The civilian labor force was down by 720,000 in October. The labor force participation rate fell by 0.4 percentage point to 62.8 percent over the month."

Okay, you take out nearly a million people out of the workforce and that makes the unemployment numbers steady, right? The following site has a graphical representation of current trends: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/12/the-shrinking-labor-force-participation-rate/.

All I'm trying to get you to understand is the employment rates this regime puts out is akin to the former Soviet Union's breaking news they had yet another bumper crop of grain from their collective farms while every ship that could float was sitting in U.S. and Canadian ports buying grain. The less you trust this regime, the smarter and better prepared you are.

ObamaCare is bad for America, bad for business and bad for our citizens. We can do much better than what the socialist stooges in Washington are cramming down your throat.
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Nov 23, 2013 19:07:32   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I like some of those ideas, such as tort reform and tax-deductible premiums for individuals (employer plans that cover most Americans are already tax-deductible). Crossing state lines doesn't help much; health insurance is priced based on state morbidity risks. Companies would just have to price for all states and even counties. OR raise everyone's premiums. Increasing HSA's helps mostly those with high incomes who want another tax-free account to stash money in; doesn't help the poor or middle class much. Subsidizing premiums for the working poor is a good idea. But,

Where are the provisions that don't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions?

Where are the provisions that allow "children" to stay on their parents' plans until age 26?

Where are the provisions that limit insurance companies' profits and expenses to 20%?

Where are the provisions that require insurance companies to refund excess premiums to the insureds?

Where are the unlimited caps on what policies will pay?

Put all those things together, and maybe we would have something as good as or better than Obamacare. Maybe Republicans should propose legislation to make those changes to Obamacare. No? Oh, that's right. Republicans are only interested if they can make themselves look good by repealing Obamacare. They have little interest in actually helping American citizens by continuing those provisions that do so.
I like some of those ideas, such as tort reform an... (show quote)


Okay, I have read your tirade and now I am going to put forth a reasonable explanation to some of your points.

1. Nowhere did I say the list I wrote would be the final definition of what America's health care industry should look like. I would never claim I know every aspect or concern others may have. I am sure there may be some compromises here and there to fit most American's needs. If you have ideas you would like to propose for consideration, then by all means do so should ObamaCare meet the demise it so richly deserves.

2. Having policies across state lines would help a lot. In fact, the more choices everyone has, the better. If competition is robust, then companies will vie for your money as all companies do already for other goods and services. This sure beats begging a few companies to provide you with a policy that screws you only a little for their substandard coverage. You know a good deal when you see one and I don't want your choices limited in any way.

3. HSAs don't solely help the very wealthy. You're assuming you can't put aside a few dollars for yourself and your family. Again, I want you to be able to form an HSA if you choose.

4. For pre-existing conditions, we can come up with ideas to address that problem. What about an insurance pool much like car insurance should your record indicate you can't afford a traditional policy? Maybe you can come up with something better? Reasonable people working together to address an issue can come up with a viable solution, right?

5. As for 26 year olds on their parent's policy, that is ridiculous. However, if the young adult was going to college and still a dependent on their parent's income tax, I would suppose most people would think it's reasonable to keep him/her covered.

6. As for caps on profits, limits on coverage and other facets of the industry, wouldn't you agree that this is EXACTLY what the free market addresses by default? If it didn't, McDonald's would be selling Big Macs that earn $100 on each sandwich; GM could charge an extra $50,000 a vehicle and a typical airline ticket would cost more than $20,000. Remember, the companies want you to spend your money on their services. Price and quality do matter greatly to the consumer.

Now I have a couple questions for you to consider:

1. ObamaCare - would you, in any way, consider that as "reform" of the medical industry? Republicans have been advocating reforms like the ones I have suggested, not hand it over to the government. The socialists have wanted this takeover for more than 50 years. They c***ted and won in Congress while the American people lose big time.

2. Would you say the doubling of premiums (or more) good for America's families?

3. Do you think the average person feels better knowing the IRS is on guard protecting the government from people who can't afford the high premiums and outlandish deductibles?

4. Would you agree with the Democrat leadership and Obama that you and everyone else is entirely too stupid to make the right choices for themselves and their family? Would you agree America is comprised of 313 million dim bulbs that desperately need Big Government to take choices out of the insurance industry for them?

5. Do you consider providing a******ns on demand and birth control a valid medical need - that your higher premiums are to subsidize this without regard to your personal beliefs including your godly faith or your belief in personal responsibility?

6. Do you think having millions of people thrown out of work or having their work week reduced to 28 hours is good for the country thanks to the implementation of ObamaCare and all the associated costs?

I can tell you one thing and hopefully it will register in your mind: ObamaCare is NOT about health care at all - it's about CONTROL of your life and your choices. We can do better for more people without having your life controlled by bureaucrats and socialists. An open and honest dialog would accomplish much, but it will be difficult because there are many like me who have no faith in the Democrat leadership at all - they earned it. Wouldn't it be nice to have this open debate as Americans instead of political theater? All it would take is honor to get the ball rolling.
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Nov 23, 2013 09:47:48   #
1OldGeezer wrote:
Ipnmajor,
Sounds a little bit like someone doesn't want to admit the Democrats were wrong about the necessity for extending the start dates back when the Republicans proposed it. They were/are wrong about much more than the start date!

The whole law really ought to be REPEALED and the citizens allowed the freedom to chose what they want. The taking away the right to choose your own policy is nothing but pure tyranny, and it seems some in our midst are OK with that.

After Repeal of this law, a new "law" or "program/action" (covering a limited number of people) could be taken to get health care provided to those who "can't afford health care insurance", without infringing on the citizens right to choose and without taking control of the entire health insurance industry. (Expand/Redefine Medicaid?)

I would agree that the government might have the right to require the insurance companies to offer certain prescribed coverage in insurance policies but a free people must have the right to buy (or not buy) the prescribed policies if they choose, and any law shouldn't prohibit the people from buying other policies agreed to between the people and their insurance company.

You do understand that Obamacare prohibits the buying of any policy with other coverage not specifically defined by the government ? And everyone must buy health care insurance under penalty of law? Thus all the cancellations of "junk" (as defined by the government) policies that were bought on the free market, thereby creating the disruption of coverage for tens of millions of citizens.

Should the federal government have this much control over your life and businesses in this free enterprise nation ? When the businesses go along with it, it is called Crony Capitalism, never ends well for the citizens.
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Ipnmajor, br Sounds a little bit like someone does... (show quote)


You're right about ObamaCare. However, I do think there are many ways the government could actually help people to obtain affordable health care coverage without sticking its intrusive nose into our lives.

Often Republicans/conservatives speak of getting rid of ObamaCare, but don't offer anything in its place. Some things Uncle Sam can do for us which really would require re-inventing the wheel. Some of these moves would include:
1. Tort reform to prevent doctors from offering tests and treatments to keep from getting sued.
2. Make all 50 states carry a basic core policy and open it to competition. There's no good reason you can't shop online for the best deal on health care insurance. Competition for your money reduces the price and improves quality.
3. Make premiums tax-deductible.
4. Allow chambers of commerce and other civic organizations offer group policies to local business.
5. Increase health savings accounts which use pre-tax dollars towards paying deductibles, medications and other health related services.
6. Make doctor and hospital fees and services available online so people can shop and compare.
7. Subsidize policies for working poor Americans. This would offer mobility, save money with preventive health programs, would be available for Americans and LEGAL resident aliens only, and it would add incentive to working.

There are many more great ideas that can be used to drive down costs and improve access to affordable health care without having the government doubling the premiums or regulating what services you are allowed to have.

Lastly, by making these reforms, it would empower the people to make the best choices - not government.
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Nov 23, 2013 08:01:22   #
Dave wrote:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/al-franken-we-have-consider-extending-deadline-mandate_768090.html

Remember when the House passed a CR that extended the mandate but Obama and Reid wouldn't even discuss it.

They were bound and determined to foist this debacle on the American public, confident that enough of us were dumb enough to not be able to connect the dots.


To them and the Democrat Party, they rely on dumb people - the dumber, the better. Go into any major inner-city where the graduation rates are 30% or less and you will see who has a lock on the e*****rate (around 96% Democrat);

If you v**e Democrat, you don't have to be dumb, just gullible enough to believe the leadership's line of crap and lazy enough to not verify their claims;

If you v**e Democrat, you don't have to be dumb, but you won't bite the hand that feeds you. The Democrat Welfare Plantation provides a great existence if you turn a blind eye to blight, gangs, crime, murder, drugs, illegitimacy, corruption, deplorable schools and misery. You teach your kids how to access the welfare rolls instead of teaching them to reach for the ladder of success. Schools could be deplorable, but you know you don't have to have a PHd to fill out the forms to get free housing, food stamps, medical, etc.

If you v**e Democrat, you could be a member of the uber-wealthy class of people and/or a member of the academe. Somehow in your twisted view of the world, you think someday you will be appointed as one of the taskmasters who will help the government control the masses. You teach young people a world-view based on c*******m where everyone is equal, America is evil and the god of big government knows best for society.

If you have v**ed Democrat in the past and have come to realize you have been played for being a fool, you will find many Republicans and Tea Party members who would welcome you to their meetings. Chances are many of the people who welcome you at the door have done the same thing as you, but came to understand they were taught a failed mindset which not only destroys families, it also wrecks communities and our country. You can help them change things for the better (most polls show some 80% or more believe we are headed in the wrong direction).
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Nov 22, 2013 18:56:05   #
JimMe wrote:
If USA Government gets unlimited Spending (no Debt Ceiling) I WANT AN UNLIMITED CREDIT CARD... What's Good For Government is Good For Governed...


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Nov 21, 2013 13:42:00   #
OldSchool wrote:
Yep, let's get to bankruptcy as fast as we can.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/20/Obama-Let-s-Scrap-the-Debt-Limit


Great idea. We can trust Obama to be honest, t***hful and not to abuse the limit being taken off. To those who agree with that statement, I have the Brooklyn Bridge, ocean front property in North Dakota and some genuine green cheese which was mined from the moon for sale.
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Nov 15, 2013 17:19:47   #
octive9 wrote:
Obamacare is the same as Romneycare, a Republican idea that started in the Heritage house.

Individual mandate - Republican idea.
Paid by insurance companies - Republican idea.
Run by states - Republican idea.

Put the name Obama on it and the Republicans h**e it.

BTW: You can try to blame the shut down on Obama, but the blame is on the Republican House along with the instigation of Ted Cruz. After 40 plus bills to try to end Obamacare went nowhere do you really think there ever was a chance for their defund or delay amendments to a clean CR to go anywhere? It was just political grand standing. And it sounds like you bought that bag of BS.
Obamacare is the same as Romneycare, a Republican ... (show quote)


You miss the boat entirely with your comments. How? Let me explain...

First, you say the individual mandate is Romney's idea. Okay, so what? If you think it was a colossal mistake, then why did the DEMs pick up the gauntlet and run with it if it was so stupid?

Secondly, "paid by insurance companies" must mean you're in favor of the government paying for it. BAD idea! Why? If people are buying insurance on the open market, then there is competition which has two very pronounced effects: A) It lowers costs and B) Improves quality. Take a long, hard look at Medicaid and look up the numbers of doctors who refuse to accept their patients. If you get lousy service, who do you turn to if only the government ran it? "Please press 1 for English or remain on the line for Spanish. Your call is important to us. Approximate wait time is 6 hours and 22 minutes. Thank you."

Thirdly, "run by states" is EXACTLY what our Framers wanted. The federal government is supposed to be VERY limited in scope with defined limits as to what it can do - unless the Democrat version of the Constitution is used which covers 200 4"X4" sheets on a roll in the men's room. The States were supposed to have a lot of latitude when it comes to legislation and powers. If people don't like RomneyCare in MA, they are free to move to another state that doesn't have it. Additionally, RomneyCare covered only 72 pages - ObamaCare covers more than 10,500 pages.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of mandatory health insurance whether its on the state or federal level. However, I think the federal government missed a great opportunity to make quality, affordable health care much less expensive by opening competition across state lines; press the States for tort reform; Cut mandatory paperwork which is about 1/3 the cost of health care; Make premiums tax deductible; Use Medicare money to subsidize premiums for the working poor Americans (NO i******s); Expand health savings accounts to drive down premiums; Allow chambers of commerce and other public entities to offer group rates to local businesses and the self-employed; and many more efforts to drive down costs.

The problem is ObamaCare empowers GOVERNMENT and what I described above empowers PEOPLE. If you take the time to study government with the emphasis on the political Left, you will see my way, at this time, won't get off the ground because the Progressives want CONTROL of your choices and your life. To them, we are all too stupid to make good decisions for ourselves and our family. The Left thinks they are smart and sophisticated enough to know what is right for you whether you like it or not. I patently reject their position. Maybe, just maybe, if you give serious consideration of my perspective, you, too, will reject the notion you're a helpless waif who needs government to take care of you.

Have a nice weekend.
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Nov 15, 2013 14:18:33   #
octive9 wrote:
Think again, Texas didn't accept Medicaid. Also, Ted's shutting down the government trick cost the economy billions.


Ted Cruz did NOT shut the government down - your hero Obama did. The Republicans said they would fund EVERYTHING in the budget except for ObamaCare. It was Obama that tried to shut down the WWII Memorial in Washington, DC; it was Obama that shut down parks, but kept open the golf courses on the ones he was going to play on; It was Obama's dirty tricks that tried to screw the public, but far too many low-information v**ers bought into the notion it was the Republicans who did it.

Obviously, you're one of those people who fell for the mainstream media's spin.

One last thing: If ObamaCare was such a great idea, then how come Harry Reid and CBO referred to it as a "train wreck"? How come so many Dems are now seeing the light in Congress and are entertaining the Republican's plan to stop ObamaCare? Is it because they are going to get shellacked at the polls next e******n? Right from the beginning, ObamaCare was presented to millions of sponges across the country as free health care. Now the public is seeing nothing is further from the t***h. They are seeing rates jump more than 100% with deductibles in the stratosphere, millions of people losing their employer-paid coverage, and millions of working people being cut to part time status so their employer can keep the doors open to their shop. If Ted Cruz stood up to stop this from happening, he should be applauded, not insulted.
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Nov 15, 2013 12:32:40   #
jasfourth401 wrote:
He is a bright, abrasive lawyer...born in Canada and of Cuban/Scotch Irish heritage. He has no track record of any sponsored or passed legislation in the senate, although the junior senator from Texas is relatively new. His debating style is caustic and insinuating using the typical tactic of "what if" to frame his point before actually making his point.

His attempt to be seen as an outsider railing against "the establishment" disintegrates upon closer inspection. He was closely associated with the Bush/Gore e******n lawsuit in Florida, worked for Morgan Lewis and is married to an executive of Goldman.

As the poster child for tea party politics, his need to throw red meat for the boisterous crowds will provide an endless supply of soundbites to be used against him if he chooses to run on the national stage. His father will prove to be a big problem given his religious and perceived extremist stances.

His open hostility toward those he deems "less republican" are increasingly alienating the established GOP machine and more importantly the business community. This will play well for a few years as he attempts to frame a national argument for his potential run for president.

My guess says he'll tone down the rhetoric and apply a more "yeah USA!" tone in a year or so, and announce his run for president. Contingent on his running mate, he will either lose in a close e******n, or lose big if selecting an ultra right wing running mate.

As a side note, being Cuban doesn't help when applied to the Hispanic popular v**e. Same for Rubio.

I see a high paying job at Heritage in his future...after two terms as senator from Texas.
He is a bright, abrasive lawyer...born in Canada a... (show quote)


Just a few things here:

While I like what I have seen in Ted Cruz, the fact he was born in Canada is an issue should he run for president. Although no one is holding Obama to it, there are some of us who still think the Constitution matters regardless of party.

You mentioned the phrase, "an ultra right wing running mate" in your posting. I recall no one on the Republican side advocating anarchy, so what is your definition of this term?

Thanks in advance for your time.
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Nov 15, 2013 11:12:12   #
vernon wrote:
i dont know what world you live in but maybe you should study the problems this guy has created


You're right, Vernon! Maybe more people should read the book, "We've Been Had" by James R. Keena. Obama should be in Fort Leavenworth and not 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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Nov 15, 2013 11:09:35   #
octive9 wrote:
How do you feel about Ted Cruz?


He's a hero in my book because he was willing to stand up for what is right rather than what is politically expedient. The Senate could use about 99 more guys like Ted Cruz!
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Nov 15, 2013 11:07:34   #
JerryMac wrote:
I guess I should have added that I have not heard back from the Red Cross as of yet.


Thank you for your replies. One of the reasons I am curious how the Red Cross works is we were told if there's an emergency here and we needed to get a hold of him ASAP, call the Red Cross (he's in the USAF). From what you have told me, in the event of an emergency, we would be better off sending smoke signals. The Red Cross may be all right for donating blood, but in the event of a disaster, I would send my donation to the Salvation Army.

Have a great weekend! :thumbup:
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Nov 15, 2013 00:00:38   #
JerryMac wrote:
If any one is interested. I finally heard from my friend. He said they were all fine. Mentioned the bad luck they had. The day they landed there was an earthquake. Then they went to Akland Island and the Typhoon turned and they had a direct hit.

Today is the first day of internet service. All communications were wiped out. Perhaps more people will now get news of their loved ones.


I am glad to hear they are all right.

Tell me, did you contact the Red Cross? If so, were they helpful or was it a waste of time? I ask because if it turns out to be a flop, I won't recommend doing it again.

Have a fabulous Friday!
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Nov 11, 2013 09:03:38   #
I have often said we owe a debt of honor and gratitude towards our veterans and active armed forces personnel we could never repay. It is because of their service, honor and love of country we are still free today.

I now have a son in the USAF which only underlines my position.

To me, every day is Veteran's Day. If I happen to see a veteran or a member of our active armed forces, I always thank them for their service to our country and shake their hand. I think it's nice to know there are some people who appreciate the work you have done. I am certain I am NOT the only one in this regard.

THANK GOD FOR OUR VETERANS AND MILITARY PERSONNEL!
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Nov 11, 2013 08:55:34   #
AuntiE wrote:
To all the Veteran's On One Political Plaza. Thank you!

I have never worn my country's uniform...
Derrick Wilburn

My name is Derrick Wilburn. I live in Colorado, USA and I would consider myself a typical "John Q. Citizen." I have three wonderful children and I was there for all of their births, there for first teeth coming in, there to see first steps taken, there to help teach them how to tie shoe laces and throw a baseball, there for graduation ceremonies from the kindergarten. I've taken them to YMCA league basketball practice, and soccer, and dance, and wh**ever else they've been into. I took the training wheels off of all of their bikes and ran beside them on those wobbly first attempts at two-wheeling it.

Though I've missed a few, I've been there to watch their games. Been there to blow runny noses, help them figure out how two minus three can result in a number that's less actually than zero. Made them peanut butter and jelly sandwiches when they were hungry. Gone hiking in the summer, sledding in winter.

With the exception of nights that I've slept in a comfortable hotel room, I sleep in a king-sized bed with the one I love every night for the past nineteen years. I eat hot meals when I desire. I've never really volunteered to lay my life on the line for anyone, let alone perfect strangers. I've never pulled a sixteen-hour patrol shift, never climbed to the top of some sand hill in 115 degree heat wearing Kevlar body armor, a 65-pound backpack and carrying a 15-pound machine gun. I've never slept in a hole in the ground that I'd dug just hours before, or in the crawl-space beneath a Humvee while sucking diesel fumes or trying to block out the thunder from passing birds of war.

When I'm hot, I turn up the a/c; when cold, turn up the heat; when hungry, go to a well-stocked kitchen just a few feet away. I don't live with my head on a swivel. I haven't lost dozens of close friend, co-workers, brethren-in-arms and had to deal with the grief of losing them while knowing it was just inches away from being me.

Veterans have lived in a world I cannot imagine. I have no commanding officer nor anyone else yelling in my ear and demanding precision. They missed births, birthdays, tucking in and all the rest by accepting a job that sends them half a globe away from the ones they love for months sometimes years at a time. They do it for all-too-little pay, often times serving as political ping pong balls as citizens and elected representatives alike bicker and posture. And they do it all because they've sworn an oath to defend this, the greatest land on earth, from any and all who threaten her.

Thank you, from a grateful father and husband, America's veterans. You are the best this nation has. Extraordinary human beings in every aspect of the term. I sleep better at night knowing you are on that wall. :!: :!:
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