Posts for: Doc110
Feb 14, 2019 14:04:02 #
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Listen rose42,
I'm not your friend, or your pen-pal, or your buddy on the OPP Forum.
Your dubious, unreasonable intolerant past on the FRS Forum has a unusual putrefying smell that comes with every discussion with you.
Frankly I find you are religiously contentious and a personally disingenuous person in your un-christian Brean church, "mind, heart and soul."
Charitably,
I say, go and see a Catholic Priest, go to confession-absolution get absolved of you sin's and do some personal penance... for your sin's.
And you know what sin's they are, we don't have to air your FRS Forum dirty laundry once again...
Frankly,
I really don't want to, or care to speak or have a conversation with you, again.
That's because you personally discust me as a human moralist and your un-justifiable Brean Churches modern-day man-Made Relativism attitude.
So rose42,
Personally, just go away, you know exactly what you did and have done, for me to say this to you.
And get a real life, and stop personally stalking me, on the main forum.
You know exactly what H**e-Speech is, and how you used H**e-Speech on the OPP FRS Forum.
That is not a forgivable offense.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
I'm not your friend, or your pen-pal, or your buddy on the OPP Forum.
Your dubious, unreasonable intolerant past on the FRS Forum has a unusual putrefying smell that comes with every discussion with you.
Frankly I find you are religiously contentious and a personally disingenuous person in your un-christian Brean church, "mind, heart and soul."
Charitably,
I say, go and see a Catholic Priest, go to confession-absolution get absolved of you sin's and do some personal penance... for your sin's.
And you know what sin's they are, we don't have to air your FRS Forum dirty laundry once again...
Frankly,
I really don't want to, or care to speak or have a conversation with you, again.
That's because you personally discust me as a human moralist and your un-justifiable Brean Churches modern-day man-Made Relativism attitude.
So rose42,
Personally, just go away, you know exactly what you did and have done, for me to say this to you.
And get a real life, and stop personally stalking me, on the main forum.
You know exactly what H**e-Speech is, and how you used H**e-Speech on the OPP FRS Forum.
That is not a forgivable offense.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
Rose42 wrote:
There has never been h**e speech from me Doc.
You are back to accusing people who disagree with you of h**e speech.
Post your opinion and if people don't agree debate or move on.
People will either agree or disagree.
Don't let yourself get sucked in to the nonsense of political correctness.
You are back to accusing people who disagree with you of h**e speech.
Post your opinion and if people don't agree debate or move on.
People will either agree or disagree.
Don't let yourself get sucked in to the nonsense of political correctness.
Feb 14, 2019 11:30:09 #
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Rose42,
That statement may be true. b
But when you, throw out inflammatory, false public opinions on this OPP forum and post thread, to justify your comments retort, with biased, here-say comments opinions, without supporting your alleged h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudices.
Then you open up your self with legal action: Liable, Slander and Defamation of Character law suites.
We have already gone over that topic before.
Slyly you allude with a contentious reply's and comments, which you are known to do.
With your personal anti-Catholic rhetorics, Brean Church dogma and religious mantra zeal.
Your argumentation theory and scenario does not hold up under the water test, of the false pretense guises and claims that you pretend to adhere to your Church and personal traits, cantor and ugly demeanor.
It seems that you will forever be nipping at my heels, and personal attacks with your false hypocritical, h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Lady why don't you just cool-it and get off your personal crusade.
Go chill out, with a double martini, a valium, and with antidepressants.
Better yet why don't you pray and ask God for forgiveness in your heart, and ask for the Grace of wisdom and knowledge that you desperately need to get past your antagonism and h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Disagreement is not h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
But that, faceless t***hful personal claims, are in fact h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen Amen.
That statement may be true. b
But when you, throw out inflammatory, false public opinions on this OPP forum and post thread, to justify your comments retort, with biased, here-say comments opinions, without supporting your alleged h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudices.
Then you open up your self with legal action: Liable, Slander and Defamation of Character law suites.
We have already gone over that topic before.
Slyly you allude with a contentious reply's and comments, which you are known to do.
With your personal anti-Catholic rhetorics, Brean Church dogma and religious mantra zeal.
Your argumentation theory and scenario does not hold up under the water test, of the false pretense guises and claims that you pretend to adhere to your Church and personal traits, cantor and ugly demeanor.
It seems that you will forever be nipping at my heels, and personal attacks with your false hypocritical, h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Lady why don't you just cool-it and get off your personal crusade.
Go chill out, with a double martini, a valium, and with antidepressants.
Better yet why don't you pray and ask God for forgiveness in your heart, and ask for the Grace of wisdom and knowledge that you desperately need to get past your antagonism and h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Disagreement is not h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
But that, faceless t***hful personal claims, are in fact h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen Amen.
Rose42 wrote:
Disagreement is not h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Disagreement is not h**e speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.
Feb 14, 2019 11:07:52 #
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Sew_What wrote,
You are entitled to you imperfect allegations opinion of the Catholic Church.
But I will not be berated by you and or others, scapegoating my Catholic Church that all catholic priests are sex offenders and child molesters.
Below you will see statistics and news reports on the growing trend of child sexual crimes that will shock you and that no one wants to talk about.
In Public schools, and in Religious Catholic faith as with Protestant Faiths, and Jewish faiths this is a wide-spread cultural problem and not limited only to the Catholic Church.
For example:
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php
In all my 61 years being a member of the Catholic church, I have not been exposed or have known Catholic Priest accused or has been in a crime child molestation of child abuse or sexual abuse.
And I have moved four times around, the United States in the past 20 years California, Alaska, Maine and Pennsylvania.
Also I have taught RICA, and child Catechism classes for over 15 years teaching Baptism and First communion classes, and teaching to teenagers for Conformation classes.
Statistics have shown that that School teachers in public schools and private schools at almost 10% percent molestation and sexual abuse problem.
Yet we don't here about the money payout and restitution that go out to the victims.
The Associated Press uncovered roughly 17,000 official reports of sex assaults by students over a four-year period, from fall 2011 to spring 2015.
Though that figure represents the most complete tally yet of sexual assaults among the nation’s 50 million K-12 students, it does not fully capture the problem because such attacks are greatly under-reported, some states don’t track them and those that do vary widely in how they classify and catalog sexual violence.
A number of academic estimates range sharply higher.
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/05/01/ap-uncovers-17000-reports-of-sexual-assaults-at-schools-across-us
The Prevalence of Sexual Abuse by K-12 School Personnel in Canada, 1997–2017
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10538712.2018.1477218
A Crisis As Millions Of Students Abused By Teachers | Investor's ...
https://www.investors.com/.../media-and-unions-tamp-down-news-of-children-abused...
Teacher misconduct: Research on educators committing crime ...
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/.../teacher-sexual-crime-misconduct-research/
Sadly the Catholic Church has a .9 % percent, almost 1 % percent history that is unacceptable, my heart and prayers go out to the families and to the victims of molestation crimes and sexual abuse crimes.
These individuals will serve their time in prison, and at their death will go to hell in a lake of fire, and then will be judged on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and will be Judged to be eternal damed in the lake of fire for all eternity.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
You are entitled to you imperfect allegations opinion of the Catholic Church.
But I will not be berated by you and or others, scapegoating my Catholic Church that all catholic priests are sex offenders and child molesters.
Below you will see statistics and news reports on the growing trend of child sexual crimes that will shock you and that no one wants to talk about.
In Public schools, and in Religious Catholic faith as with Protestant Faiths, and Jewish faiths this is a wide-spread cultural problem and not limited only to the Catholic Church.
For example:
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php
In all my 61 years being a member of the Catholic church, I have not been exposed or have known Catholic Priest accused or has been in a crime child molestation of child abuse or sexual abuse.
And I have moved four times around, the United States in the past 20 years California, Alaska, Maine and Pennsylvania.
Also I have taught RICA, and child Catechism classes for over 15 years teaching Baptism and First communion classes, and teaching to teenagers for Conformation classes.
Statistics have shown that that School teachers in public schools and private schools at almost 10% percent molestation and sexual abuse problem.
Yet we don't here about the money payout and restitution that go out to the victims.
The Associated Press uncovered roughly 17,000 official reports of sex assaults by students over a four-year period, from fall 2011 to spring 2015.
Though that figure represents the most complete tally yet of sexual assaults among the nation’s 50 million K-12 students, it does not fully capture the problem because such attacks are greatly under-reported, some states don’t track them and those that do vary widely in how they classify and catalog sexual violence.
A number of academic estimates range sharply higher.
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/05/01/ap-uncovers-17000-reports-of-sexual-assaults-at-schools-across-us
The Prevalence of Sexual Abuse by K-12 School Personnel in Canada, 1997–2017
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10538712.2018.1477218
A Crisis As Millions Of Students Abused By Teachers | Investor's ...
https://www.investors.com/.../media-and-unions-tamp-down-news-of-children-abused...
Teacher misconduct: Research on educators committing crime ...
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/.../teacher-sexual-crime-misconduct-research/
Sadly the Catholic Church has a .9 % percent, almost 1 % percent history that is unacceptable, my heart and prayers go out to the families and to the victims of molestation crimes and sexual abuse crimes.
These individuals will serve their time in prison, and at their death will go to hell in a lake of fire, and then will be judged on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and will be Judged to be eternal damed in the lake of fire for all eternity.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
Sew_What wrote:
Bla, bla, bla, your Pope, said that nuns were raped....
Bla, bla, bla, your Pope, said that nuns were raped....
Feb 14, 2019 11:05:21 #
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maximus,
You are entitled to you imperfect allegations opinion of the Catholic Church.
But I will not be berated by you and or others, scapegoating my Catholic Church that all catholic priests are sex offenders and child molesters.
Below you will see statistics and news reports on the growing trend of child sexual crimes that will shock you and that no one wants to talk about.
In Public schools, and in Religious Catholic faith as with Protestant Faiths, and Jewish faiths this is a wide-spread cultural problem and not limited only to the Catholic Church.
For example:
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php
In all my 61 years being a member of the Catholic church, I have not been exposed or have known Catholic Priest accused or has been in a crime child molestation of child abuse or sexual abuse.
And I have moved four times around, the United States in the past 20 years California, Alaska, Maine and Pennsylvania.
Also I have taught RICA, and child Catechism classes for over 15 years teaching Baptism and First communion classes, and teaching to teenagers for Conformation classes.
Statistics have shown that that School teachers in public schools and private schools at almost 10% percent molestation and sexual abuse problem.
Yet we don't here about the money payout and restitution that go out to the victims.
The Associated Press uncovered roughly 17,000 official reports of sex assaults by students over a four-year period, from fall 2011 to spring 2015.
Though that figure represents the most complete tally yet of sexual assaults among the nation’s 50 million K-12 students, it does not fully capture the problem because such attacks are greatly under-reported, some states don’t track them and those that do vary widely in how they classify and catalog sexual violence.
A number of academic estimates range sharply higher.
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/05/01/ap-uncovers-17000-reports-of-sexual-assaults-at-schools-across-us
The Prevalence of Sexual Abuse by K-12 School Personnel in Canada, 1997–2017
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10538712.2018.1477218
A Crisis As Millions Of Students Abused By Teachers | Investor's ...
https://www.investors.com/.../media-and-unions-tamp-down-news-of-children-abused...
Teacher misconduct: Research on educators committing crime ...
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/.../teacher-sexual-crime-misconduct-research/
Sadly the Catholic Church has a .9 % percent, almost 1 % percent history that is unacceptable, my heart and prayers go out to the families and to the victims of molestation crimes and sexual abuse crimes.
These individuals will serve their time in prison, and at their death will go to hell in a lake of fire, and then will be judged on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and will be Judged to be eternal damed in the lake of fire for all eternity.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
You are entitled to you imperfect allegations opinion of the Catholic Church.
But I will not be berated by you and or others, scapegoating my Catholic Church that all catholic priests are sex offenders and child molesters.
Below you will see statistics and news reports on the growing trend of child sexual crimes that will shock you and that no one wants to talk about.
In Public schools, and in Religious Catholic faith as with Protestant Faiths, and Jewish faiths this is a wide-spread cultural problem and not limited only to the Catholic Church.
For example:
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php
In all my 61 years being a member of the Catholic church, I have not been exposed or have known Catholic Priest accused or has been in a crime child molestation of child abuse or sexual abuse.
And I have moved four times around, the United States in the past 20 years California, Alaska, Maine and Pennsylvania.
Also I have taught RICA, and child Catechism classes for over 15 years teaching Baptism and First communion classes, and teaching to teenagers for Conformation classes.
Statistics have shown that that School teachers in public schools and private schools at almost 10% percent molestation and sexual abuse problem.
Yet we don't here about the money payout and restitution that go out to the victims.
The Associated Press uncovered roughly 17,000 official reports of sex assaults by students over a four-year period, from fall 2011 to spring 2015.
Though that figure represents the most complete tally yet of sexual assaults among the nation’s 50 million K-12 students, it does not fully capture the problem because such attacks are greatly under-reported, some states don’t track them and those that do vary widely in how they classify and catalog sexual violence.
A number of academic estimates range sharply higher.
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/05/01/ap-uncovers-17000-reports-of-sexual-assaults-at-schools-across-us
The Prevalence of Sexual Abuse by K-12 School Personnel in Canada, 1997–2017
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10538712.2018.1477218
A Crisis As Millions Of Students Abused By Teachers | Investor's ...
https://www.investors.com/.../media-and-unions-tamp-down-news-of-children-abused...
Teacher misconduct: Research on educators committing crime ...
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/.../teacher-sexual-crime-misconduct-research/
Sadly the Catholic Church has a .9 % percent, almost 1 % percent history that is unacceptable, my heart and prayers go out to the families and to the victims of molestation crimes and sexual abuse crimes.
These individuals will serve their time in prison, and at their death will go to hell in a lake of fire, and then will be judged on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and will be Judged to be eternal damed in the lake of fire for all eternity.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
maximus wrote:
br br This sounds too much to me like the Muslim... (show quote)
Feb 14, 2019 10:04:54 #
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Chappy,
Since you are know-it-all, and know everything about the Catholic Church.
Love to here your lies and lack of understanding of the Christian Catholic Church.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who h**e The Catholic Church, but there are millions who h**e what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
“If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
Chappy,
Sorry, all you are doing is promoting Protestant religious bigotry and h**e speech and personal prejudices.
The Jesuit Order of Priests.
https://jesuits.org/aboutus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pope-francis-is-a-jesuit-seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-society-of-jesus
The Jesuits’ Latin motto is AD MAIOREM DEI GLORIAM, or (AMDG,)
Latin for “for the greater glory of God,” meaning everything is offered up to God.
They are a religious Catholic order.
They are academic college intelligence, the best of the best... with a vow of poverty chastity and obedience.
So what are you complaining about?
The Society of Jesus is a scholarly religious congregation of the Catholic Church which originated in sixteenth-century Spain.
The members are called Jesuits.
The society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations.
Jesuits work in education, intellectual research, and cultural pursuits.
Since you are know-it-all, and know everything about the Catholic Church.
Love to here your lies and lack of understanding of the Christian Catholic Church.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who h**e The Catholic Church, but there are millions who h**e what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
“If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
Chappy,
Sorry, all you are doing is promoting Protestant religious bigotry and h**e speech and personal prejudices.
The Jesuit Order of Priests.
https://jesuits.org/aboutus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pope-francis-is-a-jesuit-seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-society-of-jesus
The Jesuits’ Latin motto is AD MAIOREM DEI GLORIAM, or (AMDG,)
Latin for “for the greater glory of God,” meaning everything is offered up to God.
They are a religious Catholic order.
They are academic college intelligence, the best of the best... with a vow of poverty chastity and obedience.
So what are you complaining about?
The Society of Jesus is a scholarly religious congregation of the Catholic Church which originated in sixteenth-century Spain.
The members are called Jesuits.
The society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations.
Jesuits work in education, intellectual research, and cultural pursuits.
Chappy wrote:
Sorry, but you can't understand the workings of the catholic church until you know the history of the jesuits.
Pope Francis is a jesuit.
His confessor is the head of the jesuits.
Google "10 Facts You Need to Know About the Jesuits".
Sorry, but you can't understand the workings of the catholic church until you know the history of the jesuits.
Pope Francis is a jesuit.
His confessor is the head of the jesuits.
Google "10 Facts You Need to Know About the Jesuits".
Feb 13, 2019 21:46:02 #
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Canuckus Deploracus,
Yes the Gospels, hold much more authentic direct authority than to Saint Paul's letters.
Although Saint Paul did speak to our Lord Jesus, many times.
Was Saint Paul privileged to understand a different understanding of Christianity ?
Most Probably not, Jesus Christ's teaching and precepts were very consistent with the teachings to his Early Catholic Church and to the 11 Apostles and the Early Church fathers passed on down through 20 centuries to our present day.
They the apostles, Jews and Gentiles were in all agreement, except for probably circumcision and dietary foods for the Gentiles.
Did Jesus give Paul a different understand and knowledge of Jesus's message, than of the 11 Apostles ?
Paul - Saul did study under the Feet of Gamaliel. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai for most of his childhood and adult life.
We also know that he Paul was taught for three years before coming a Catholic priest under Saint Peter.
Paul obviously learned much from the great scholars of Judaism.
It could also be the reason that Saint Paul is taken out of context, and is difficult to understand in his writings and discourse on Judaism and primary was justifiably so to convert the Jewish people.
I think therein-lies the cultural language differences be it Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages when speaking to the Jews and the synagogs where he journeyed to in his religious travels of the Gentiles.
2 Peter 3:16
Saint Peter Final Exhortations:
15 Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him.
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing.…
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, Amen Amen.
Yes the Gospels, hold much more authentic direct authority than to Saint Paul's letters.
Although Saint Paul did speak to our Lord Jesus, many times.
Was Saint Paul privileged to understand a different understanding of Christianity ?
Most Probably not, Jesus Christ's teaching and precepts were very consistent with the teachings to his Early Catholic Church and to the 11 Apostles and the Early Church fathers passed on down through 20 centuries to our present day.
They the apostles, Jews and Gentiles were in all agreement, except for probably circumcision and dietary foods for the Gentiles.
Did Jesus give Paul a different understand and knowledge of Jesus's message, than of the 11 Apostles ?
Paul - Saul did study under the Feet of Gamaliel. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai for most of his childhood and adult life.
We also know that he Paul was taught for three years before coming a Catholic priest under Saint Peter.
Paul obviously learned much from the great scholars of Judaism.
It could also be the reason that Saint Paul is taken out of context, and is difficult to understand in his writings and discourse on Judaism and primary was justifiably so to convert the Jewish people.
I think therein-lies the cultural language differences be it Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic languages when speaking to the Jews and the synagogs where he journeyed to in his religious travels of the Gentiles.
2 Peter 3:16
Saint Peter Final Exhortations:
15 Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him.
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing.…
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, Amen Amen.
Feb 13, 2019 20:36:46 #
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Canuckus Deploracus,
By your opinion and retort "A little help here please,"
Do you want me to pray for you. ?
Again, Canuckus Deploracus,
Opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions... They don't mean anything, it is fruitless rhetoric bloviating.
Provide and Respond with fact's, Fact's FACT's...
No No Supposition's, No Innuendo's, No Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, No Hypocritical T***h's, No Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions...
Matthew 3:12
John the baptizer was the first to tell us Jesus would be our judge.
Matthew 13:49
"So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
Matthew 13:39-43
and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
"So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness.
And will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear.
John:5:22
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son….
Jesus himself said in John:3:36
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” Now we have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You can’t separate them.
John 12:47-48
"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the t***h I have spoken.
John 12:47-48
I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it.
We see a very similar discussion between Jesus and the leaders in John 5 where Jesus came to a very similar conclusion.
45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.
47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”
Luke 12:8,9
And I tell you, everyone who acknowledges Me before others, the Son of Man also will acknowledge before the angels of God; but whoever denies Me before others will be denied before the angels of God.
Matthew 25:31-46
Jesus Will Judge the World
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left.
Acts 17:30-31
because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead." "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,
34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, my Father has blessed you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. 36 I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
37 “Then the people who have God’s approval will reply to him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes or see you in need of clothes and give you something to wear?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
40 “The king will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this t***h: Wh**ever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did for me.’
41 “Then the king will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels!
42 I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink.
43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me into your homes. I needed clothes, and you didn’t give me anything to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t take care of me.’
44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or in need of clothes or sick or in prison and didn’t help you?’
45 “He will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this t***h: Wh**ever you failed to do for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do for me.’
46 “These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God’s approval will go into eternal life.”
Amen, Amen, Let be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
By your opinion and retort "A little help here please,"
Do you want me to pray for you. ?
Again, Canuckus Deploracus,
Opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions... They don't mean anything, it is fruitless rhetoric bloviating.
Provide and Respond with fact's, Fact's FACT's...
No No Supposition's, No Innuendo's, No Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, No Hypocritical T***h's, No Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions...
Matthew 3:12
John the baptizer was the first to tell us Jesus would be our judge.
Matthew 13:49
"So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
Matthew 13:39-43
and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
"So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness.
And will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear.
John:5:22
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son….
Jesus himself said in John:3:36
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” Now we have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You can’t separate them.
John 12:47-48
"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the t***h I have spoken.
John 12:47-48
I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it.
We see a very similar discussion between Jesus and the leaders in John 5 where Jesus came to a very similar conclusion.
45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.
47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”
Luke 12:8,9
And I tell you, everyone who acknowledges Me before others, the Son of Man also will acknowledge before the angels of God; but whoever denies Me before others will be denied before the angels of God.
Matthew 25:31-46
Jesus Will Judge the World
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left.
Acts 17:30-31
because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead." "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,
34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, my Father has blessed you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. 36 I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
37 “Then the people who have God’s approval will reply to him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes or see you in need of clothes and give you something to wear?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
40 “The king will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this t***h: Wh**ever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did for me.’
41 “Then the king will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels!
42 I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink.
43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me into your homes. I needed clothes, and you didn’t give me anything to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t take care of me.’
44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or in need of clothes or sick or in prison and didn’t help you?’
45 “He will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this t***h: Wh**ever you failed to do for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do for me.’
46 “These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God’s approval will go into eternal life.”
Amen, Amen, Let be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ah... But nothing pertaining to Jesus being the one who judges us
A little help here please...
Ah... But nothing pertaining to Jesus being the one who judges us
A little help here please...
Feb 13, 2019 20:08:37 #
Feb 13, 2019 19:55:25 #
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Canuckus Deploracus,
Wager all you want, all you like to do is argue without presenting any facts...
Opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions... They don't mean anything, it is fruitless rhetoric bloviating.
I gave you plenty of Jesus narrative verses, and biblical scriptural verses about hell and the day of Judgement.
Malachi was an Old Testament prophet, but Malachi and other prophets did discuss the end days, and final judgement.
The New Testament is found in the Old Testament, and is fulfilled.
The Old Testament is found in the the New Testament and scripture and Prophesy is fulfilled.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
Wager all you want, all you like to do is argue without presenting any facts...
Opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions... They don't mean anything, it is fruitless rhetoric bloviating.
I gave you plenty of Jesus narrative verses, and biblical scriptural verses about hell and the day of Judgement.
Malachi was an Old Testament prophet, but Malachi and other prophets did discuss the end days, and final judgement.
The New Testament is found in the Old Testament, and is fulfilled.
The Old Testament is found in the the New Testament and scripture and Prophesy is fulfilled.
Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have good money says that Jesus didn't speak the Malachi quote...
Care to wager?
Care to wager?
Feb 13, 2019 19:47:54 #
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badbob85037,
Such h**e and anger inside of you, "Me thinks."
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who h**e The Catholic Church, but there are millions who h**e what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
And speaking falsely against Jesus Christ and his Bride the Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit who has guided His Catholic Church for 1,987 years.
Your mind is nothing more than putrified dendrite grey-matter gutter thoughts and lies.
Yours religious rhetoric is only ignorance and the Roots of Modernism the Relativism of the modernists is all around us.
Father Dwight Longenecker
https://dwightlongenecker.com/the-roots-of-modernism/
www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-142935-1.html
T***hs that are taught by the Catholic Church,
The Didache, How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139479-1.html
Tell me who compiled your Protestant Bible, it was by the Catholic Church in A.D. 397 and remained 73 books for 1,590 years, until the reformers changed it to 66 books minus selected chapters and verses.
Know what you are talking about the Bible and acknowledge and provide fact's, Fact's, FACT's, not opinions.
badbob85037,
All you espouse is religious bigotry and prejudicial personal opinions.
Who kept the word of God through the Roman percussion's A.D. 33 to A.D. 313 the edict of Milan, and who final codifying of the Bible in 397 A.D. the Catholic Church.
Before the written word of God the New Testament bible there was only the oral Church traditions of Jesus Christ.
So your inabilities and ignorance to know your Ancient Church History and Oral traditions are in total error.
badbob85037
Men do these sexual sin's, don't you see your fallacy errors in attacking the Catholic Church and the faithful clergy and the laity faithful.
Condemn the men who committed these sexual predatory criminal acts and not the Catholic Church.
Men like these will never be forgiven, they are in prison when they die, when they will be judged finally once again by Jesus at his second coming for all time to the eternal fires of hell, on judgement day.
Jesus taught through his Church, Papal and Apostolic succession, and taught through the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers instructions and church teaching of the 7 sacraments, through the oral and written traditions and taught through the Magisterium, Bible cannon and Catholic catechism for 1,987 years.
Does your church practice Jesus's 7 sacraments commandments ? I guarantee you they don't.
Why not, what about your Man-Made church theology.
Could it be in error...
Tell me where Jesus taught Sola Scriptura the Bible was not written and codified till A.D. 397.
So How did Jesus teach a man-Made Sola Scriptura theology from Martin Luther John Calvin, Jon Wesley John Knox, Zwingli and other reformers.
What is "Sola Scriptura" ? Where is It Found In the Bible . . . ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-140009-1.html
The Problem with Primitivism
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2012/04/the-problem-with-primitivism.html
“Primitivism” is the ambition to return the church to the simplest form as it was in the “early church”.
The little fundamentalist church in which I grew up worked on this assumption.
They were going back to basics and getting rid of all those “man made traditions”.
They made up a Man-Made theology and self biblical interpretations, with no Church authority, councils or biblical scriptural references to prove their heretical theology.
So where are the 7 Sacraments where are they found in your Church, found in your Bible, so do your research... before you can point fingers.
To be Deep in History, is to cease to be Protestant.
Cardinal Henry Newman, Anglican Bishop convert to Catholicism.
badbob85037,
Know your Oral written history and church history, documents and writings by authors and Church ecumenical councils through the 20 centuries the Catholic Church has been founded by Jesus Christ.
Rosary beads are a prayer, that are taught through the centuries and also taught through Marian apparitions.
To Saint Dominic de Guzman the founder of the Dominican order of preachers.
https://dominicanfriars.org/about/history-dominican-friars/
Know about the Marian devotions in the Early Catholic Christian Church.
We've All Heard of "Our Lady of Guadalupe," "Our Lady Of Lourdes," "Our Lady of Fatima" . . . But Not Our Lady of La Salette France AD 1846
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-141174-1.html
Roots of Marian Devotion Go Back to Old Testament . . . Main Objections That non-Catholics Present Against Marian Doctrine and Devotion ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-143402-1.html
Obviously you are a purveyor of anti-Catholic rhetoric, here-say oral and written words, without doing the research to know the t***h on the Catholic Church teaching.
You show your biblical, historical ignorance in Christ's Catholic Church.
Prayer is what Jesus Christ teaches, and why wouldn't Jesus accept prayers to both Jesus and Mary his mother. Mary is the first Saint.
You do not know the instructions and teachings on the Saints and their abilities to intercede with our prayers and what the Early Church Fathers taught ?
I dare you go to the website and read what the Early Church Father saints, taught and instructed through 20 centuries of the Early Catholic Church...
a. Mary and the Saints
b. Catholic Christians onMorality and ethics,
c. The Sacraments taught by Jesus,
d. Salvation
e. Holy Scripture and Tradition
f. The Church and the Papacy
https://www.churchfathers.org
Know what the Early Church taught from Jesus Christ, The Apostles and the Early Church Fathers and has been taught down through 20 centuries to this present age and day.
You will be very surprised and confounded by your christian church ignorance and man-Made teachings.
Remember God the Father is Mary's Father, The Son is Mary's son Jesus, the Holy Spirit is the spouse of Mary.
Can you tell me when the last Marian apparition occurred, and why Protestants never talk about them.
In one apparition just 102 years ago in Fatima Portugal 1917. 70,000 people were in attendance, soaking wet from the rain storms that day.
The Government, police, newspapermen and the Catholic faithful laity and the ever abundant religious skeptics look-e-loo's were all present.
You can read the rest of the story, of the Marian apparition and what took place, where 70,000 people can confirm what happened that day.
"It is called the Miracle of the Sun"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyIpE1_qIFM
https://www.ewtn.com/fatima/
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-1-15388
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769
Marian devotion, The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written between 250 and 300 A.D. Pre-dates the Hail Mary Prayer.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-120605-1.html
Love to here your rebuttal retort.
No opinions, Just fact's, Fact's, FACT's.
Such h**e and anger inside of you, "Me thinks."
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who h**e The Catholic Church, but there are millions who h**e what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
And speaking falsely against Jesus Christ and his Bride the Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit who has guided His Catholic Church for 1,987 years.
Your mind is nothing more than putrified dendrite grey-matter gutter thoughts and lies.
Yours religious rhetoric is only ignorance and the Roots of Modernism the Relativism of the modernists is all around us.
Father Dwight Longenecker
https://dwightlongenecker.com/the-roots-of-modernism/
www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-142935-1.html
T***hs that are taught by the Catholic Church,
The Didache, How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139479-1.html
Tell me who compiled your Protestant Bible, it was by the Catholic Church in A.D. 397 and remained 73 books for 1,590 years, until the reformers changed it to 66 books minus selected chapters and verses.
Know what you are talking about the Bible and acknowledge and provide fact's, Fact's, FACT's, not opinions.
badbob85037,
All you espouse is religious bigotry and prejudicial personal opinions.
Who kept the word of God through the Roman percussion's A.D. 33 to A.D. 313 the edict of Milan, and who final codifying of the Bible in 397 A.D. the Catholic Church.
Before the written word of God the New Testament bible there was only the oral Church traditions of Jesus Christ.
So your inabilities and ignorance to know your Ancient Church History and Oral traditions are in total error.
badbob85037
Men do these sexual sin's, don't you see your fallacy errors in attacking the Catholic Church and the faithful clergy and the laity faithful.
Condemn the men who committed these sexual predatory criminal acts and not the Catholic Church.
Men like these will never be forgiven, they are in prison when they die, when they will be judged finally once again by Jesus at his second coming for all time to the eternal fires of hell, on judgement day.
Jesus taught through his Church, Papal and Apostolic succession, and taught through the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers instructions and church teaching of the 7 sacraments, through the oral and written traditions and taught through the Magisterium, Bible cannon and Catholic catechism for 1,987 years.
Does your church practice Jesus's 7 sacraments commandments ? I guarantee you they don't.
Why not, what about your Man-Made church theology.
Could it be in error...
Tell me where Jesus taught Sola Scriptura the Bible was not written and codified till A.D. 397.
So How did Jesus teach a man-Made Sola Scriptura theology from Martin Luther John Calvin, Jon Wesley John Knox, Zwingli and other reformers.
What is "Sola Scriptura" ? Where is It Found In the Bible . . . ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-140009-1.html
The Problem with Primitivism
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2012/04/the-problem-with-primitivism.html
“Primitivism” is the ambition to return the church to the simplest form as it was in the “early church”.
The little fundamentalist church in which I grew up worked on this assumption.
They were going back to basics and getting rid of all those “man made traditions”.
They made up a Man-Made theology and self biblical interpretations, with no Church authority, councils or biblical scriptural references to prove their heretical theology.
So where are the 7 Sacraments where are they found in your Church, found in your Bible, so do your research... before you can point fingers.
To be Deep in History, is to cease to be Protestant.
Cardinal Henry Newman, Anglican Bishop convert to Catholicism.
badbob85037,
Know your Oral written history and church history, documents and writings by authors and Church ecumenical councils through the 20 centuries the Catholic Church has been founded by Jesus Christ.
Rosary beads are a prayer, that are taught through the centuries and also taught through Marian apparitions.
To Saint Dominic de Guzman the founder of the Dominican order of preachers.
https://dominicanfriars.org/about/history-dominican-friars/
Know about the Marian devotions in the Early Catholic Christian Church.
We've All Heard of "Our Lady of Guadalupe," "Our Lady Of Lourdes," "Our Lady of Fatima" . . . But Not Our Lady of La Salette France AD 1846
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-141174-1.html
Roots of Marian Devotion Go Back to Old Testament . . . Main Objections That non-Catholics Present Against Marian Doctrine and Devotion ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-143402-1.html
Obviously you are a purveyor of anti-Catholic rhetoric, here-say oral and written words, without doing the research to know the t***h on the Catholic Church teaching.
You show your biblical, historical ignorance in Christ's Catholic Church.
Prayer is what Jesus Christ teaches, and why wouldn't Jesus accept prayers to both Jesus and Mary his mother. Mary is the first Saint.
You do not know the instructions and teachings on the Saints and their abilities to intercede with our prayers and what the Early Church Fathers taught ?
I dare you go to the website and read what the Early Church Father saints, taught and instructed through 20 centuries of the Early Catholic Church...
a. Mary and the Saints
b. Catholic Christians onMorality and ethics,
c. The Sacraments taught by Jesus,
d. Salvation
e. Holy Scripture and Tradition
f. The Church and the Papacy
https://www.churchfathers.org
Know what the Early Church taught from Jesus Christ, The Apostles and the Early Church Fathers and has been taught down through 20 centuries to this present age and day.
You will be very surprised and confounded by your christian church ignorance and man-Made teachings.
Remember God the Father is Mary's Father, The Son is Mary's son Jesus, the Holy Spirit is the spouse of Mary.
Can you tell me when the last Marian apparition occurred, and why Protestants never talk about them.
In one apparition just 102 years ago in Fatima Portugal 1917. 70,000 people were in attendance, soaking wet from the rain storms that day.
The Government, police, newspapermen and the Catholic faithful laity and the ever abundant religious skeptics look-e-loo's were all present.
You can read the rest of the story, of the Marian apparition and what took place, where 70,000 people can confirm what happened that day.
"It is called the Miracle of the Sun"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyIpE1_qIFM
https://www.ewtn.com/fatima/
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-1-15388
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769
Marian devotion, The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written between 250 and 300 A.D. Pre-dates the Hail Mary Prayer.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-120605-1.html
Love to here your rebuttal retort.
No opinions, Just fact's, Fact's, FACT's.
badbob85037 wrote:
Catholics is another gutter religion.
The Bible says all through it only Jesus can forgive your sins and believing in him gets you to Heaven.
So show me in the Bible where it says how some p*******e is going to forgive you of your sins and get you to heaven with a few motions of a hand full of beads. Also show me were Mary is anywhere but the grave. You either believe all the Bible and the word or you believe nothing.
Catholics is another gutter religion.
The Bible says all through it only Jesus can forgive your sins and believing in him gets you to Heaven.
So show me in the Bible where it says how some p*******e is going to forgive you of your sins and get you to heaven with a few motions of a hand full of beads. Also show me were Mary is anywhere but the grave. You either believe all the Bible and the word or you believe nothing.
Feb 13, 2019 17:07:28 #
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badbob85037,
When you shout blasphemies in all directions and Christian Heresies, please know what you are talking about.
ArchBishop Fulton Sheen said.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who h**e The Catholic Church, but there are millions who h**e what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
Baloney is flattery laid on so thick it cannot be true, and blarney is flattery so thin we love it.
“Criticism of others is thus an oblique form of self-commendation. We think we make the picture hang straight on our wall by telling our neighbors that all his pictures are crooked.”
“Far better it is for you to say: "I am a sinner," than to say: "I have no need of religion." The empty can be filled, but the self-intoxicated have no room for God.”
“Too many people get credit for being good, when they are only being passive. They are too often praised for being broadminded when they are so broadminded they can never make up their minds about anything.”
“Never forget that there are only two philosophies to rule your life: the one of the cross, which starts with the fast and ends with the feast. The other of Satan, which starts with the feast and ends with the headache.”
“The refusal to take sides on great moral issues is itself a decision. It is a silent acquiescence to evil. The Tragedy of our time is that those who still believe in honesty lack fire and conviction, while those who believe in dishonesty are full of passionate conviction.”
“Why are those who are notoriously undisciplined and unmoral also most contemptuous of religion and morality? They are trying to solace their own unhappy lives by pulling the happy down to their own abysmal depths.”
“Nothing ever happens in the world that does not happen first inside human hearts.”
When you shout blasphemies in all directions and Christian Heresies, please know what you are talking about.
ArchBishop Fulton Sheen said.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who h**e The Catholic Church, but there are millions who h**e what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
Baloney is flattery laid on so thick it cannot be true, and blarney is flattery so thin we love it.
“Criticism of others is thus an oblique form of self-commendation. We think we make the picture hang straight on our wall by telling our neighbors that all his pictures are crooked.”
“Far better it is for you to say: "I am a sinner," than to say: "I have no need of religion." The empty can be filled, but the self-intoxicated have no room for God.”
“Too many people get credit for being good, when they are only being passive. They are too often praised for being broadminded when they are so broadminded they can never make up their minds about anything.”
“Never forget that there are only two philosophies to rule your life: the one of the cross, which starts with the fast and ends with the feast. The other of Satan, which starts with the feast and ends with the headache.”
“The refusal to take sides on great moral issues is itself a decision. It is a silent acquiescence to evil. The Tragedy of our time is that those who still believe in honesty lack fire and conviction, while those who believe in dishonesty are full of passionate conviction.”
“Why are those who are notoriously undisciplined and unmoral also most contemptuous of religion and morality? They are trying to solace their own unhappy lives by pulling the happy down to their own abysmal depths.”
“Nothing ever happens in the world that does not happen first inside human hearts.”
badbob85037 wrote:
Catholics is another gutter religion.
The Bible says all through it only Jesus can forgive your sins and believing in him gets you to Heaven.
So show me in the Bible where it says how some p*******e is going to forgive you of your sins and get you to heaven with a few motions of a hand full of beads.
Also show me were Mary is anywhere but the grave.
You either believe all the Bible and the word or you believe nothing.
Catholics is another gutter religion.
The Bible says all through it only Jesus can forgive your sins and believing in him gets you to Heaven.
So show me in the Bible where it says how some p*******e is going to forgive you of your sins and get you to heaven with a few motions of a hand full of beads.
Also show me were Mary is anywhere but the grave.
You either believe all the Bible and the word or you believe nothing.
Feb 13, 2019 16:58:00 #
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Canuckus Deploracus,
I did laugh at your mother-In-law joke, but mostly at your comments and retorts.
Maybe your mother-in-law is not so bad after all...
Confusion, Canuckus Deploracus, is in the eye of the beholder and on your modern day Relativism opinions, which are with our facts and which are baseless in your retort replies.
Yes, Jesus Christ spoke these words on hell and many more public utterances in the Bible.
The only problem is your comprehension and Present day modernism Christianity, is now preached by evangelists, Pentecostal, fundamentalism and non-denominational movements.
Which are, completely "Fill-in-the-Blank" verses of Modernism form's of Christianity including the present day Biblical worldly Relativism.
Which has clouded people's minds on Jesus's Christ's Authority and in his Church that he founded... especially on Judgement day and atoning for one's sins when we are to be judged by our almighty maker.
Examples of Relativism and Christian modernism understanding:
a. "Cookies-&-Milk" Bible passages,
b. Naivety of "Watered-Down" Holy scripture,
c. The fallacy of "Feel-Good" Christianity modernism,
d. Shopping-Cart Mentality of Christianity and mentality to pick and chose one's Church theology,
Try and read to learn Biblical t***hs and authority as it was written and taught down through 20 generations of time.
So far I've listed 16 bible verses, and 5 direct quotations that Jesus actually spoke about hell, “with unquenchable fire.”
Revelation 21:27
There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh a*********n or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.
And 1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21
John the Baptist uses the imagery of the threshing floor to describe the coming Messiah who would separate the true believers from the false.
Psalm 1:4; Isaiah 17:13
The wicked are often described as chaff that the wind drives away.
Matthew 3:12; Luke 3:17
The true followers of Christ will be gathered into the kingdom of God just as grain is gathered into barns, while those who reject Christ will be burned up “with unquenchable fire,” just as the worthless chaff is burned.
Matthew 13:36–43
Similar imagery of the good grain being separated from the worthless weeds appears in the parable of the wheat and the tares.
God uses heat of fire to refine us, and show his reflection in us, before our entrance into heaven.
Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
Zechariah 13:9
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.
Malachi 3:3
And he shall sit refining and cleansing the silver, and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice.
Luke 12:49
“I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!
James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.
James 3:6
And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.
1 Peter 1:6-7
In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 4:12-13
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.
1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle [you].
Revelation 3:18
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
1 Corinthians 3:13
Each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
Amen, Amen, Let be so, I believe, Amen Amen.
I did laugh at your mother-In-law joke, but mostly at your comments and retorts.
Maybe your mother-in-law is not so bad after all...
Confusion, Canuckus Deploracus, is in the eye of the beholder and on your modern day Relativism opinions, which are with our facts and which are baseless in your retort replies.
Yes, Jesus Christ spoke these words on hell and many more public utterances in the Bible.
The only problem is your comprehension and Present day modernism Christianity, is now preached by evangelists, Pentecostal, fundamentalism and non-denominational movements.
Which are, completely "Fill-in-the-Blank" verses of Modernism form's of Christianity including the present day Biblical worldly Relativism.
Which has clouded people's minds on Jesus's Christ's Authority and in his Church that he founded... especially on Judgement day and atoning for one's sins when we are to be judged by our almighty maker.
Examples of Relativism and Christian modernism understanding:
a. "Cookies-&-Milk" Bible passages,
b. Naivety of "Watered-Down" Holy scripture,
c. The fallacy of "Feel-Good" Christianity modernism,
d. Shopping-Cart Mentality of Christianity and mentality to pick and chose one's Church theology,
Try and read to learn Biblical t***hs and authority as it was written and taught down through 20 generations of time.
So far I've listed 16 bible verses, and 5 direct quotations that Jesus actually spoke about hell, “with unquenchable fire.”
Revelation 21:27
There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh a*********n or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.
And 1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21
John the Baptist uses the imagery of the threshing floor to describe the coming Messiah who would separate the true believers from the false.
Psalm 1:4; Isaiah 17:13
The wicked are often described as chaff that the wind drives away.
Matthew 3:12; Luke 3:17
The true followers of Christ will be gathered into the kingdom of God just as grain is gathered into barns, while those who reject Christ will be burned up “with unquenchable fire,” just as the worthless chaff is burned.
Matthew 13:36–43
Similar imagery of the good grain being separated from the worthless weeds appears in the parable of the wheat and the tares.
God uses heat of fire to refine us, and show his reflection in us, before our entrance into heaven.
Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
Zechariah 13:9
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.
Malachi 3:3
And he shall sit refining and cleansing the silver, and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice.
Luke 12:49
“I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!
James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.
James 3:6
And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.
1 Peter 1:6-7
In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 4:12-13
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.
1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle [you].
Revelation 3:18
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
1 Corinthians 3:13
Each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
Amen, Amen, Let be so, I believe, Amen Amen.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
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Haven't read, it. It used to be required in all major College courses.
Try broadening your horizons and intelligence, one of the top 100 historic book reads, that has out lasted any modern-day contemporary authors on any modern subject from the Renaissance time period.
It takes on the fiction and non-fiction masterpiece subject of hell, the deadly sins of Christian religion and is a fictional account of the journey of man-women it's self on salvation history e.g. the do's and the don'ts of loosing one's soul to the devil-Satan and the eternal fires of hell.
The book the is a classic read for everyone and spans all countries, and world religious theologies.
You don't know the dangers of Modernisms are, let alone the sin of moral Relativism.... in our current American society and world societies.
Name ten moral modern-day Relativism's in the United States ?
Try broadening your horizons and intelligence, one of the top 100 historic book reads, that has out lasted any modern-day contemporary authors on any modern subject from the Renaissance time period.
It takes on the fiction and non-fiction masterpiece subject of hell, the deadly sins of Christian religion and is a fictional account of the journey of man-women it's self on salvation history e.g. the do's and the don'ts of loosing one's soul to the devil-Satan and the eternal fires of hell.
The book the is a classic read for everyone and spans all countries, and world religious theologies.
You don't know the dangers of Modernisms are, let alone the sin of moral Relativism.... in our current American society and world societies.
Name ten moral modern-day Relativism's in the United States ?
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Dante's Inferno.... br br Now there is a good sou... (show quote)
Feb 13, 2019 16:02:03 #
02/12/2019 Manifesto of Faith (Part 4)
Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller
https://www.catholicculture.org/search/resultslist.cfm?
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=12070
Modernist cardinal, liberal theologian, and author attack Cardinal Müller’s ‘Manifesto of Faith’
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Descriptive Title
Cardinal Müller issues Manifesto (Part 4)
On the responsibility of the Shepherds of the Church to always preach the t***h:
“We too, and especially we bishops and priests, are addressed when Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ, gives this admonition to his companion and successor, Timothy:
“I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, Who shall judge the living and the dead, by His coming, and His kingdom:
Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:
And will indeed turn away their hearing from the t***h, but will be turned unto fables. But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry. Be sober.”
(2 Timothy 4:1-5)
On the importance of the moral law and the need to preserve it:
The moral law is the work of divine wisdom and leads man to the promised blessedness (CCC 1950).
Consequently, the "knowledge of the divine and natural law is necessary" to do good and reach this goal (CCC 1955).
Accepting this t***h is essential for all people of good will. For he who dies in mortal sin without repentance will be forever separated from God (CCC 1033).
This leads to practical consequences in the lives of Christians, which are often ignored today (cf 2270-2283; 2350-2381
[These numbers of the Catechism condemn the following grave sins:
a******n, contraception, euthanasia, pornography, adultery, homosexuality, cohabitation, and more]). The moral law is not a burden, but part of that liberating t***h (cf Jn 8:32) through which the Christian walks on the path of salvation and which may not be relativized.
On the importance of the Holy Trinity and of the Incarnation, as distinct from other religions:
The epitome of the Faith of all Christians is found in the confession of the Most Holy Trinity.
We have become disciples of Jesus, children and friends of God by being baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
The distinction of the three persons in the divine unity (CCC 254) marks a fundamental difference in the belief in God and the image of man from that of other religions.
Religions disagree precisely over this belief in Jesus the Christ. He is true God and true Man, conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
The Word made flesh, the Son of God, is the only Savior of the world (CCC 679) and the only Mediator between God and men (CCC 846).
Therefore, the first letter of John refers to one who denies His divinity as an antichrist (1 John 2:22), since Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is from eternity one in being with God, His Father (CCC 663).
We are to resist the relapse into ancient heresies with clear resolve, which saw in Jesus Christ only a good person, brother and friend, prophet and moralist.
May Mary, the Mother of God, implore for us the grace to remain faithful without wavering to the confession of the t***h about Jesus Christ.
United in faith and prayer
Gerhard Cardinal Müller
Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith 2012-2017
(End Part 4)
Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller
https://www.catholicculture.org/search/resultslist.cfm?
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=12070
Modernist cardinal, liberal theologian, and author attack Cardinal Müller’s ‘Manifesto of Faith’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/modernist-cardinal-liberal-theologian-and-author-attack-cardinal-muellers-m
Descriptive Title
Cardinal Müller issues Manifesto (Part 4)
On the responsibility of the Shepherds of the Church to always preach the t***h:
“We too, and especially we bishops and priests, are addressed when Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ, gives this admonition to his companion and successor, Timothy:
“I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, Who shall judge the living and the dead, by His coming, and His kingdom:
Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:
And will indeed turn away their hearing from the t***h, but will be turned unto fables. But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry. Be sober.”
(2 Timothy 4:1-5)
On the importance of the moral law and the need to preserve it:
The moral law is the work of divine wisdom and leads man to the promised blessedness (CCC 1950).
Consequently, the "knowledge of the divine and natural law is necessary" to do good and reach this goal (CCC 1955).
Accepting this t***h is essential for all people of good will. For he who dies in mortal sin without repentance will be forever separated from God (CCC 1033).
This leads to practical consequences in the lives of Christians, which are often ignored today (cf 2270-2283; 2350-2381
[These numbers of the Catechism condemn the following grave sins:
a******n, contraception, euthanasia, pornography, adultery, homosexuality, cohabitation, and more]). The moral law is not a burden, but part of that liberating t***h (cf Jn 8:32) through which the Christian walks on the path of salvation and which may not be relativized.
On the importance of the Holy Trinity and of the Incarnation, as distinct from other religions:
The epitome of the Faith of all Christians is found in the confession of the Most Holy Trinity.
We have become disciples of Jesus, children and friends of God by being baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
The distinction of the three persons in the divine unity (CCC 254) marks a fundamental difference in the belief in God and the image of man from that of other religions.
Religions disagree precisely over this belief in Jesus the Christ. He is true God and true Man, conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
The Word made flesh, the Son of God, is the only Savior of the world (CCC 679) and the only Mediator between God and men (CCC 846).
Therefore, the first letter of John refers to one who denies His divinity as an antichrist (1 John 2:22), since Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is from eternity one in being with God, His Father (CCC 663).
We are to resist the relapse into ancient heresies with clear resolve, which saw in Jesus Christ only a good person, brother and friend, prophet and moralist.
May Mary, the Mother of God, implore for us the grace to remain faithful without wavering to the confession of the t***h about Jesus Christ.
United in faith and prayer
Gerhard Cardinal Müller
Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith 2012-2017
(End Part 4)
Feb 13, 2019 16:00:55 #
02/12/2019 Manifesto of Faith (Part 3)
Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller
https://www.catholicculture.org/search/resultslist.cfm?
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Modernist cardinal, liberal theologian, and author attack Cardinal Müller’s ‘Manifesto of Faith’
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Descriptive Title
Cardinal Müller issues Manifesto (Part 3)
The Manifesto also addresses several other points which can be seen as corrections of Pope Francis including the impermissibility of Holy Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics as well as that for Protestants;
The eternity of hell; the ban on female priests; and priestly celibacy.
The Manifesto says “divorced and civilly remarried persons, whose sacramental marriage exists before God, as well as those Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Faith and the Church” are “not disposed to receive the Holy Eucharist fruitfully (CCC 1457), because it does not bring them to salvation.”
The Manifesto adds, “Therefore, the Holy Scripture admonishes with regard to the reception of the Holy Communion:
‘Whoever eats unworthily of the bread and drinks from the Lord's cup makes himself guilty of profaning the body and of the blood of the Lord’ (1 Corinthians 11:27).”
In his Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia Pope Francis wrote “no one can be condemned forever,
https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf
Because that is not the logic of the Gospel” and in interviews he went so far as to suggest that those who want no part of God are annihilated rather than in hell.
www.repubblica.it/politica/2015/03/15/news/quel_che_francesco_puo_dire_all_europa_dei_non_credenti-109542750/
Quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Müller attests, “He who dies in mortal sin without repentance will be forever separated from God.
(CCC 1033).”
The Manifesto says, “The eternity of the punishment of hell is a terrible reality, which - according to the testimony of Holy Scripture - attracts all who ‘die in the state of mortal sin.’
(CCC 1035).”
“To keep silent about these and the other t***hs of the Faith and to teach people accordingly is the greatest deception against which the Catechism vigorously warns,” says the Cardinal.
“It represents the last trial of the Church and leads man to a religious delusion, ‘the price of their apostasy’ (CCC 675); it is the fraud of Antichrist.”
The Pope’s recent opening to a non-celibate priesthood and winking at female ordination also seems to be covered, as the Manifesto says, “priests voluntarily opt for celibacy as ‘a sign of new life.”
(CCC 1579)
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-quotes-bishop-who-favors-ordaining-women
The Church, says Cardinal Müller, is “bound by the choice made by the Lord Himself.
That is why it is not possible to ordain women.
(CCC 1577)
The Cardinal adds: “To imply that this impossibility is somehow a form of discrimination against women shows only the lack of understanding for this sacrament, which is not about earthly power but the representation of Christ, the Brideg***m of the Church.”
Furthermore, Cardinal Müller also restates the inseparable link between the Faith and the moral law which needs to be followed “to do good and reach this goal [of promised blessedness],” and he points to certain parts of the Church's moral teaching “which are often ignored today.”
Here, he references several parts of the Catechism's moral teaching “which may not be relativized” without quoting them explicitly.
Among them are such statements as “Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.”
(no. 2270)
And the explicit rejection of the following grave sins:
A******n (no. 2271), contraception (no. 2370), euthanasia (no. 2277), suicide (no. 2280), cohabitation outside of marriage (no. 2350), masturbation (no. 2352), fornication (no. 2353), pornography (no. 2354), and adultery (no. 2380-2381).
Cardinal Müller also explicitly references those parts of the Catechism (no. 2357-2359) which describe “homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity” and “intrinsically disordered” and which call upon homosexual persons to live in “chastity.”
While he never mentions Pope Francis by name, the Manifesto’s criticisms are so pointed they leave little doubt about the identity of at least one of the intended members of the hierarchy Cardinal Müller hopes to correct.
“The admonition of the Apostle is still valid today, that cursed is anyone who proclaims another gospel, ‘even if we ourselves were to give it or an angel from heaven.”(Galatians 1:8) the Manifesto reads.
“The mediation of faith is inextricably bound up with the human credibility of its messengers, who in some cases have abandoned the people entrusted to them, unsettling them and severely damaging their faith.”
“Let not your heart be troubled!”
(John 14:1)
Catholics who have read their catechism, and who know their faith, know the challenges that the Church has faced over the last 6 years.
With the e******n of Pope Francis in 2013, there has been an almost unbroken series of unusual and novel pronouncements and events coming from the Holy See.
Some senior members of the clergy – including several Cardinals – have voiced their concern and, in some cases, doubt about the legitimacy of these novel pronouncements and events, especially in light of how they are seemingly at variance with the traditions and established doctrine of the Church.
Now, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the former head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has taken a new step in the call for orthodoxy by issuing a Manifesto of Faith.
The manifesto reads as a correction of many of the doctrinal errors Pope Francis has taught during his tenure as Pope.
Though he does not mention the Pope, he explains that he was asked by bishops, priests, religious, and laymen to make a public testimony of the t***h “in the face of growing confusion about the doctrine of the Faith.”
The cardinal is releasing his manifesto to a worldwide audience, in seven different languages, thus allowing for a widespread affirmation of the orthodox Catholic faith.
To this end, LifeSite is hosting this petition so the Catholic clergy and faithful of the world, in all language groups, can make a visible sign of their support for the full and unvarnished faith and for the Cardinal’s initiative.
We thereby also wish to express our gratitude for Cardinal Müller’s historic defense of the Faith.
This petition is very simply a call to action for the Catholic faithful. It asks us to support Cardinal Müller’s Manifesto.
The Manifesto was intended to be launched on Sunday, February 10, 2019, the eve of the anniversary of both Pope Benedict XVI’s announcement of his resignation, 6 years ago.
It is also the eve of Cardinal Müller’s own ordination to the priesthood.
However, it was released early, on Friday, February 8, 2019, because a news agency broke the embargo.
When you sign this petition, you’ll be joining thousands of other Catholics, from around the world, in encouraging the priests, bishops, cardinals and pope, to be faithful to the traditions and doctrine of the Church in the face of a growing and moral confusion.
Here are some of the key passages from Cardinal Müller’s Manifesto, “Let not your heart be troubled.”
(John 14:1)
On why the Cardinal has made this intervention at this juncture:
“In the face of growing confusion about the doctrine of the Faith, many bishops, priests, religious and lay people of the Catholic Church have requested that I make a public testimony about the t***h of revelation.
It is the shepherds’ very own task to guide those entrusted to them on the path of salvation. This can only succeed if they know this way and follow it themselves.”
On the reception of Holy Communion:
"From the internal logic of the sacrament, it is understood that civilly remarried divorcees, whose sacramental marriage exists before God, as well as those Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Faith and the Church, just as all who are not properly disposed, cannot receive the Holy Eucharist fruitfully (CCC 1457) because it does not bring them to salvation.
To point this out corresponds to the spiritual works of mercy."
On the impossibility of the ordination of women to the priesthood:
“With a view to receiving the ordination in the three stages of this ministry, the Church is “bound by the choice made by the Lord Himself.
That is why it is not possible to ordain women”(CCC 1577).
To imply that this impossibility is somehow a form of discrimination against women shows only the lack of understanding for this sacrament, which is not about earthly power but the representation of Christ, the Brideg***m of the Church.”
(End Part 3)
Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller
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Modernist cardinal, liberal theologian, and author attack Cardinal Müller’s ‘Manifesto of Faith’
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Descriptive Title
Cardinal Müller issues Manifesto (Part 3)
The Manifesto also addresses several other points which can be seen as corrections of Pope Francis including the impermissibility of Holy Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics as well as that for Protestants;
The eternity of hell; the ban on female priests; and priestly celibacy.
The Manifesto says “divorced and civilly remarried persons, whose sacramental marriage exists before God, as well as those Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Faith and the Church” are “not disposed to receive the Holy Eucharist fruitfully (CCC 1457), because it does not bring them to salvation.”
The Manifesto adds, “Therefore, the Holy Scripture admonishes with regard to the reception of the Holy Communion:
‘Whoever eats unworthily of the bread and drinks from the Lord's cup makes himself guilty of profaning the body and of the blood of the Lord’ (1 Corinthians 11:27).”
In his Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia Pope Francis wrote “no one can be condemned forever,
https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf
Because that is not the logic of the Gospel” and in interviews he went so far as to suggest that those who want no part of God are annihilated rather than in hell.
www.repubblica.it/politica/2015/03/15/news/quel_che_francesco_puo_dire_all_europa_dei_non_credenti-109542750/
Quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Müller attests, “He who dies in mortal sin without repentance will be forever separated from God.
(CCC 1033).”
The Manifesto says, “The eternity of the punishment of hell is a terrible reality, which - according to the testimony of Holy Scripture - attracts all who ‘die in the state of mortal sin.’
(CCC 1035).”
“To keep silent about these and the other t***hs of the Faith and to teach people accordingly is the greatest deception against which the Catechism vigorously warns,” says the Cardinal.
“It represents the last trial of the Church and leads man to a religious delusion, ‘the price of their apostasy’ (CCC 675); it is the fraud of Antichrist.”
The Pope’s recent opening to a non-celibate priesthood and winking at female ordination also seems to be covered, as the Manifesto says, “priests voluntarily opt for celibacy as ‘a sign of new life.”
(CCC 1579)
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-quotes-bishop-who-favors-ordaining-women
The Church, says Cardinal Müller, is “bound by the choice made by the Lord Himself.
That is why it is not possible to ordain women.
(CCC 1577)
The Cardinal adds: “To imply that this impossibility is somehow a form of discrimination against women shows only the lack of understanding for this sacrament, which is not about earthly power but the representation of Christ, the Brideg***m of the Church.”
Furthermore, Cardinal Müller also restates the inseparable link between the Faith and the moral law which needs to be followed “to do good and reach this goal [of promised blessedness],” and he points to certain parts of the Church's moral teaching “which are often ignored today.”
Here, he references several parts of the Catechism's moral teaching “which may not be relativized” without quoting them explicitly.
Among them are such statements as “Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.”
(no. 2270)
And the explicit rejection of the following grave sins:
A******n (no. 2271), contraception (no. 2370), euthanasia (no. 2277), suicide (no. 2280), cohabitation outside of marriage (no. 2350), masturbation (no. 2352), fornication (no. 2353), pornography (no. 2354), and adultery (no. 2380-2381).
Cardinal Müller also explicitly references those parts of the Catechism (no. 2357-2359) which describe “homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity” and “intrinsically disordered” and which call upon homosexual persons to live in “chastity.”
While he never mentions Pope Francis by name, the Manifesto’s criticisms are so pointed they leave little doubt about the identity of at least one of the intended members of the hierarchy Cardinal Müller hopes to correct.
“The admonition of the Apostle is still valid today, that cursed is anyone who proclaims another gospel, ‘even if we ourselves were to give it or an angel from heaven.”(Galatians 1:8) the Manifesto reads.
“The mediation of faith is inextricably bound up with the human credibility of its messengers, who in some cases have abandoned the people entrusted to them, unsettling them and severely damaging their faith.”
“Let not your heart be troubled!”
(John 14:1)
Catholics who have read their catechism, and who know their faith, know the challenges that the Church has faced over the last 6 years.
With the e******n of Pope Francis in 2013, there has been an almost unbroken series of unusual and novel pronouncements and events coming from the Holy See.
Some senior members of the clergy – including several Cardinals – have voiced their concern and, in some cases, doubt about the legitimacy of these novel pronouncements and events, especially in light of how they are seemingly at variance with the traditions and established doctrine of the Church.
Now, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the former head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has taken a new step in the call for orthodoxy by issuing a Manifesto of Faith.
The manifesto reads as a correction of many of the doctrinal errors Pope Francis has taught during his tenure as Pope.
Though he does not mention the Pope, he explains that he was asked by bishops, priests, religious, and laymen to make a public testimony of the t***h “in the face of growing confusion about the doctrine of the Faith.”
The cardinal is releasing his manifesto to a worldwide audience, in seven different languages, thus allowing for a widespread affirmation of the orthodox Catholic faith.
To this end, LifeSite is hosting this petition so the Catholic clergy and faithful of the world, in all language groups, can make a visible sign of their support for the full and unvarnished faith and for the Cardinal’s initiative.
We thereby also wish to express our gratitude for Cardinal Müller’s historic defense of the Faith.
This petition is very simply a call to action for the Catholic faithful. It asks us to support Cardinal Müller’s Manifesto.
The Manifesto was intended to be launched on Sunday, February 10, 2019, the eve of the anniversary of both Pope Benedict XVI’s announcement of his resignation, 6 years ago.
It is also the eve of Cardinal Müller’s own ordination to the priesthood.
However, it was released early, on Friday, February 8, 2019, because a news agency broke the embargo.
When you sign this petition, you’ll be joining thousands of other Catholics, from around the world, in encouraging the priests, bishops, cardinals and pope, to be faithful to the traditions and doctrine of the Church in the face of a growing and moral confusion.
Here are some of the key passages from Cardinal Müller’s Manifesto, “Let not your heart be troubled.”
(John 14:1)
On why the Cardinal has made this intervention at this juncture:
“In the face of growing confusion about the doctrine of the Faith, many bishops, priests, religious and lay people of the Catholic Church have requested that I make a public testimony about the t***h of revelation.
It is the shepherds’ very own task to guide those entrusted to them on the path of salvation. This can only succeed if they know this way and follow it themselves.”
On the reception of Holy Communion:
"From the internal logic of the sacrament, it is understood that civilly remarried divorcees, whose sacramental marriage exists before God, as well as those Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Faith and the Church, just as all who are not properly disposed, cannot receive the Holy Eucharist fruitfully (CCC 1457) because it does not bring them to salvation.
To point this out corresponds to the spiritual works of mercy."
On the impossibility of the ordination of women to the priesthood:
“With a view to receiving the ordination in the three stages of this ministry, the Church is “bound by the choice made by the Lord Himself.
That is why it is not possible to ordain women”(CCC 1577).
To imply that this impossibility is somehow a form of discrimination against women shows only the lack of understanding for this sacrament, which is not about earthly power but the representation of Christ, the Brideg***m of the Church.”
(End Part 3)