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Feb 25, 2018 00:43:02   #
Especially when considering how well we used to do against Countries who were c***ting and we weren't. Things have certainly changed. Hopefully someone, maybe Rush or Hannity will point this out so it becomes an issue. Mike
2wheeljunkie wrote:
Medal count embarrassing for sure.
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Feb 25, 2018 00:35:50   #
Agree, that's why when it slides that way I go on to the next screed. Why continue when it's smears at one another?. Mike
whitnebrat wrote:
I was referring to the seemingly eternal propensity of this site to devolve a thread to its lowest common denominator within one page of responses. Usually within five responses, the poster has been called an i***t, a c****e-pinko-l*****t, or a right-wing bigot and the subject matter doesn't matter. It just seems to descend into name-calling with no real discussion of what started the thread to begin with.

The technical term for it is "bloviation". It's kinda sad that people have to resort to that kind of rhetoric to make themselves feel better. But I guess if you have nothing better to do with your time than trade insults on line, it's gonna happen. I saw a lot of it when I was a Guide on the early days of AOL, and not much has changed.
My initial comment was just an attempt at a verbal analog to get the point across. Sorry, I guess I failed. Oh, well...
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Feb 25, 2018 00:28:18   #
I told my Daughter that if she ever called on us I'd let them take her and explained what that entailed. Didn't really need to worry about her as she was a gem from day one. The conversation came up because of some of her friends. We were her parents but very involved in her life. Brownies, Girl Scouts, softball, volleyball, camping, etc. Mike
promilitary wrote:
My two boys got their share of it; one "resented" it, the other one later told me he never got a whipping he didn't deserve.
Parents are NOT helpless in this era of no corporal punishment. I had this conversation with my sons; told them if I ever had a police officer show up at my door about the way I disciplined them I would make their lives WAY more miserable than getting a whipping and listed the means I would use to do that.

Earlier curfew.
Severe curtailment of school functions.
Severe curtailment of their social life...i.e., it would pretty much be over.
They need never ask for the keys to the car.
Television would be removed from their room.
And they knew I would add to the list.

Never had a problem. Made sure there were no gray areas in our home.....everything was black and white. They well knew my rules and they understood the consequences for breaking those rules. But then I was never afraid to be a Dad. I made sure they understood that I was their father, not their friend. Also made them understand that I loved them enough to make them h**e me. They are adult responsible men now, married with kids of their own, and we have a great relationship.
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Feb 25, 2018 00:19:59   #
Also, He H**ED being the one who had to dish it out. There were several times that this battle hardened Jarhead had tears trying to escape after he had whooped me. Honestly, I didn't get as many as I had coming. Mike
teabag09 wrote:
Roy, that's the year I graduated High school. My Dad was a Marine and he used to use his web belt. Well It's made of cloth and I would yell and holler as I didn't want him to know that it didn't really hurt. Mike
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Feb 25, 2018 00:17:03   #
Roy, that's the year I graduated High school. My Dad was a Marine and he used to use his web belt. Well It's made of cloth and I would yell and holler as I didn't want him to know that it didn't really hurt. Mike
oldroy wrote:
As am I. My dad used his bare hand and I think he went till he couldn't stand the pain any longer.

The kids I paddled one year who were in junior high behaved really good after the paddling. Their fathers all thanked me for that. That was in 1968 when corporal punishment was still legal in Kansas.
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Feb 25, 2018 00:07:17   #
My mother was a 30 plus year teacher at a troubled school which she did not have trouble with the students because she was straight with them, strict with them and especially fair. She tried to make sure her students learned and honestly passed.

She was stabbed one time breaking up a hall fight after which I went to school with her for awhile. Turns out I wasn't needed, her students rallied around her and she was put "OFF LIMITS".

Every year when a new school year began I carried a sealed envelope to the principle. The note was parental permission to discipline me how ever they saw fit, whether a paddle, detention, what ever. That note gave the school the permission to beat the s**t out of me if necessary and my Mom would have backed them, as long as they were right. If they were wrong she was a MOMMA BEAR which did happen once.

I wasn't an especially bad kid but I was hyper which wasn't understood at the time and led me to mischief. Mostly I was bored. I'd read the entire encyclopedia several times by seventh grade along with anything else I could get my hands on that pertained to learning. I also gravitated to older men as I was making money fishing and crabbing and they will bestow a ton of knowledge on a lad.

My point Roy is that I agree whole heartily with you and I believe that's one of the biggest problems we have today. Mike




oldroy wrote:
Pay attention to what this 20 year Florida teacher says about the recent shooting. She says too much t***h that I haven't seen, as yet, about that shooting and all others. For instance, she says that parents could be parents instead of trying to be their kids' friends. They could look into situations that are reported to them by teachers and not try to blame everybody else in the world for what their kids do. I did spend 28 years teaching but back in the 60s I found that when I beat the butts of students I was always supported by the parents. These were Junior and Senior High students but the board was outlawed soon after that. Those were the good old days when politicians weren't trying to win v**es with laws that outlawed corporal punishment. Oh well the butts I took that board to told the owners that to avoid it another time they should be obedient.


http://www.fixthisnation.com/conservative-breaking-news/this-teachers-response-to-school-shooting-is-the-best-weve-read/
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Feb 24, 2018 23:45:48   #
I wonder how many people know that lightening creates OZONE? The whole thing is a rabbit hole and false. Mike
mwdegutis wrote:
Everything about the ozone issue was an exploitation and distortion of the normal. It was a trial run for the g****l w*****g greenhouse issue that was to follow. It built on a theme of extreme environmentalist claims that a dramatic change occurred and since that is not normal, it must be something humans did.

Dr. Tim Ball ~ February 20, 2018
Reports about the ozone are confusing because they contradict each other. The Washington Post reported on June 30, 2016, that a new paper published in Science claims,

The Antarctic ozone “hole” — which, when it was first identified in the mid-1980s, focused public attention like few other pieces of environmental news — has begun, in their words, to finally “heal.”

This contradicts a claim in the Smithsonian.com of December 2012 under the headline,

“The Ozone Problem is Back -And Worse Than Ever.”

This led to the question on June 30, 2016, on the website Quora,

Is the ozone layer getting better or worse?

The answer is the best under the circumstances but begs the question about how certain they were about the claimed cause, human-produced CFCs.

It’s tough to answer this question definitively because we’ve known about the details of the ozone layer for such a short period of time.

The most significant problem facing the ozone layer, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), has been outlawed for years now. However, these molecules remain in the air for some time, and their action is catalytic, meaning they aren’t consumed when they break down ozone. They do eventually react with other gases in the air which removes them from the atmosphere. The ban has been in effect for decades, meaning there are few remaining, which should allow ozone to regenerate.


The problem is more profound. There never was a problem. This was bolstered by the lie that there was a hole in the ozone. Everything about the ozone issue was an exploitation and distortion of the normal. It was a trial run for the g****l w*****g greenhouse issue that was to follow. It built on a theme of extreme environmentalist claims that a dramatic change occurred and since that is not normal, it must be something humans did. This is a theme most developed by the Club of Rome, in their 1994 book “The First Global Revolution.”

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of g****l w*****g, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”

Why do they need “a new enemy to unite us”? The answer is simple. Once united the people are easy to control and accepting of a global political agenda. After five days with Maurice Strong at the UN, Elaine Dewar summarized his goal in her book Cloak of Green.

Strong was using the U.N. as a platform to sell a global environment crisis and the Global Governance Agenda.

I am sure people will say my claim that there are no holes in the ozone is a matter of semantics. It isn’t. The word ‘hole’ is inaccurate because there isn’t one. It is used to create an impression that there is a leak, and everyone knows they are a problem. It is true that there is an area over Antarctica where the ozone layer is thinner than the average. Here, ozone is about one-third the global average, but it is not a hole. The thinning is a normal situation and a function of the atmospheric chemistry and dynamics over Antarctica. This means it varies in size and location from year to year.

https://www.technocracy.news/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ozone-1.png

The Ozone Layer (Figure above) is a separate layer within the Stratosphere between 15 and 55 km, with the major concentration between 15 and 40 km. I was summoned to appear before the Canadian Parliamentary Committee on ozone and witnessed the entire political scenario of this environmental charade. The fundamental problem was none of them knew the basic cause and effect of ozone creation and variability.

Ozone is created when ultraviolet radiation from the Sun strikes oxygen (O2) in the upper atmosphere. It splits them into individual molecules O (O). These immediately attach themselves to the O2 molecules to create an enriched molecule O3 called ozone. This is a process called photodisassociation. Notice, it is directly a function of levels of ultraviolet radiation, and they all assumed this was constant. It isn’t, but as soon as you make that assumption, then any variation you detect has to have another explanation. Notice also that it is a self-healing process, because the deeper the UV goes into the atmosphere, the more oxygen it meets.

In this age of environmental bullying, any change not recognized as normal requires a human cause. Two researchers, Molina and Rowland, began the misdirection with Rowland’s hypothesis that Chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) destroyed ozone. It was Rowlands idea, but Molina did the work. It is a classic example of how you carve out a career of misdirection in this age of environmental hysteria.

Sherry (Rowland) offered me a list of research options: the one project that intrigued me the most consisted of finding out the environmental fate of certain very inert industrial chemicals – the chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) – which had been accumulating in the atmosphere, and which at that time were thought to have no significant effects on the environment. This project offered me the opportunity to learn a new field atmospheric chemistry-about which I knew very little.

Three months after I arrived at Irvine, Sherry and I developed the “CFC-ozone depletion theory.” At first the research did not seem to be particularly interesting – I carried out a systematic search for processes that might destroy the CFCs in the lower atmosphere, but nothing appeared to affect them. We knew, however, that they would eventually drift to sufficiently high altitudes to be destroyed by solar radiation.

The last sentence is a complete misdirection. CFCs are four times denser than air, they don’t and can’t “drift” to those altitudes. How did they get up to 15 km? The answer is they didn’t. The search for processes was not empirical.

“Roland and Molina based their chlorine production and ozone destruction on climate model simulations, rather than direct observations.”

Public hysteria was driven by false stories of increased skin cancer, especially in children. All this was fueled by government funding and exploitation by private companies pushing sun blockers. Ultraviolet became a devil just like CO2, with reports of increasing levels. They never explained that these levels were normal and the culprits, CO2 and UV, were essential to flora and fauna. CO2 is essential to flora because they can’t grow without it and fauna because they can’t exist without the oxygen the flora produce. UV is essential to flora and fauna as well. For example, it produces vitamin D in the body, and that is essential bone growth and strength. It prevents deadly diseases like rickets, especially in children, and scrofula, a form of tuberculosis. Parents, naturally worried about skin cancer applied sun blockers and kept children out of the sun. By 2007 British health services were reporting increases in rickets and other signs of vitamin D deficiencies. On the other side of the ledger, common sense was also overridden. Reports of increasing skin cancer turned out to be a figment of statistics. Virtually all the increase was explained by the increase in life expectancy. Thanks to better nutrition and health services more people were living long enough for skin cancers to develop.

But the negative impacts of this hysteria were much wider and more damaging. It is estimated that the world produces enough food to feed approximately 26 billion people. The problem is large amounts of this never reaches the table. It is lost in the fields to insects and disease, but most is lost in t***sport and storage. The difference is in the developed world 60% makes it to the table, while in the developing world it is about 30%. The difference of 30% is almost all due to refrigeration.

Clarence Birdseye spent time in Labrador where he watched Inuit people essentially flash freezing food. He invented frozen food technology and went into production in 1929. Ammonia was the first refrigerant but was problematic early so by 1930 Thomas Midgeley. Jr was leading the effort to get a non-toxic, harmless, chemical replacement. He produced the product chemically called Chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) in 1928. By 1931, it was in production under its commercial name of Freon in a joint Dupont and General Motors venture. Dupont employees appeared with me before the Canadian Parliamentary Committee and said virtually nothing. I later realized it was because by 1974 they had already decided to find a replacement.

DuPont states: “should reputable evidence show that some fluorocarbons cause a health hazard through ozone depletion, we are prepared to stop production of the offending compounds.”

By 1986 Dupont were pushing for global limits to CFC production and were working on a replacement. It is likely because of this they remained essentially silent at the hearing.

In 1987 the Montreal Protocol (MP) was signed under the authority of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP). This was the agency founded by Maurice Strong as the vehicle for Agenda 21, his global governance plan. Of course, the MP reduced the production of CFCs, but it had nothing to do with ozone variation hence the confused and contradictory claims about ‘ozone hole’ levels.

To understand that statement you need to know what causes variations in the Ozone Layer. In a 2011 article by Kevin Roeten titled, “CFC’s the real reason for Ozone Loss?” we learn,

“Cosmic Rays (CRs) from space, and those emanating from the sun during sunspot activity, seemed possible destroyers of ozone. Dr. Qing-Bin Lu’s latest proof of the CR theory for the ozone depletion was in Physical Review Letters on 3/19/9. Dr. Lu, a physics and astronomy professor at the University of Waterloo (Ontario, Canada), said the fallacy was accepted for more than twenty years that Earth’s ozone layer is depleted by chlorine atoms produced by CFCs.”

It is important to know that there is no “hole-in-the-ozone” over the Arctic, yet most of the CFCs were produced in the Northern Hemisphere. Here are reasons for the differences between the Hemispheres.

The major cause of a decline in ozone over Antarctica is the lack of sunlight south of the Antarctic Circle for 6 months of the year. Another reason is the extremely cold temperatures and low pressures at altitude over the massive ice cap that effectively occupies everything inside the Antarctic Circle. Figure 1 shows the Tropopause at an average level of 12 km. In fact, it varies seasonally between 17 (winter)18 km (summer) over the Equator and 7 (w) to 9 km (S) over the Poles.

Water vapour and other gases form crystals seen as Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC). They didn’t even know about their role until well into the hysteria. They also destroy ozone. They are nothing new and traditionally called Noctilucent clouds (Figure 2).

https://www.technocracy.news/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Noctilucent-clouds-1024x575.png
Figure 2: Noctilucent Clouds; you can see how they are mistaken for chemtrails.

In Antarctica, the shallow atmosphere, the dramatic temperature contrast between the glacier ice and the surrounding ocean results in a very powerful Jet Steam, more correctly called the Circumpolar Vortex.

The intensity of this Vortex limits mixing of equatorial air with its accompanying influx of ozone, as occurs in the Arctic.

Despite all these problems and evidence that CFCs were not causing ozone variation the political fix, the Montreal Protocol was introduced. I will make the same comments about this Protocol that I made about the Kyoto Protocol,

“The Kyoto Protocol is a political solution to a non-existent problem without scientific justification.”

Proponents of Kyoto argued that Montreal was proof that a Protocol would work. What they don’t tell you is that Montreal was a trial run for Kyoto. CO2 replaced CFCs, but no empirical evidence was ever produced that either were the actual cause. Natural mechanisms exist to explain all the variations detected and measured. Many of the same people and agencies, such as NOAA and Environment Canada, were involved in both deceptions. It is time to close these deep state agencies or at most restrict them to data collection. However, even that is problematic because they adjust the data to meet their political needs as the latest disclosure reveals. As James Delingpole reported,

That’s because, as Paul Homewood has discovered, NOAA has been cooking the books. Yet again – presumably for reasons more to do with ideology than meteorology – NOAA has adjusted past temperatures to look colder than they were and recent temperatures to look warmer than they were.

We’re not talking fractions of a degree, here. The adjustments amount to a whopping 3.1 degrees F. This takes us well beyond the regions of error margins or innocent mistakes and deep into the realm of fiction and political propaganda.


Ozone, CFCs, G****l W*****g, CO2, are all fictions of the Deep State and confirm Mary McCarthy’s observation and warning,

“Bureaucracy, the rule of no one, has become the modern form of despotism.”
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Feb 23, 2018 23:46:20   #
Alicia, you are a strange bedfellow to me. You talk one way and then you speak another way. You're hard to follow or figure. The NRA doesn't sell guns. They do promote the 2nd amendment and the right of LAWFUL citizens to keep and bear arms and are a non-tax exempt organization that is supported by individual peoples.

The NRA provides through agencies, gun knowledge, training in how firearms work and how to safely handle and use them. The EDDIE EAGLE PROGRAM is a program that teaches youths about firearms and how to safely handle and a respect for weapons.

Alicia, screw Europe, and everywhere else, this is America, the USA, we are different than any Country in the world. We have done more to bring the rest of the world into enlightenment and civilization than any country despite our youth as a nation.

I own a lot of weapons, none of which have shot at or k**led anyone. I own 4 AR platform weapons plus many other calipers, again, unless someone tries to do me or mine harm will never be used against another person. I do take pleasure in punching holes in paper at different distances. I also take pleasures in controlling the coyote population that are decimating our bambi and turkey population.

One of my AR is of caliber to take deer which I hunt extensively during the season. I've had the chance to but haven't shot on several occasions. Have k**led my share before now and have no desire to take another life as my wife and I don't need the meat. Will on occasion k**l one when others want the meat. I like to be in the deer stand before the sun even thinks about coming up and watch the world wake up. Tweety birds first, turkeys next, and then the damn squirrels followed by the crows.

Come and sit in a deer stand with me, you'll know there is a GOD! Mike
Alicia wrote:
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I don't know about all of Europe but since the government did a buy-back on certain weapons, there have been zero mass attacks. Your reason against banning guns is ridiculous. The government would like to register guns. If a person has no intention of doing wrong with them, they shouldn't mind as most NRA members agree. It is people like you that I would fear. The NRA just desires to sell more guns.
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Feb 23, 2018 22:21:11   #
Agree on that. Neither of the political sides have our back, only their own. Mike Mike
Lonewolf wrote:
i think were real Americans and we need to find common ground or the s**tters will get us that's the politicians
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Feb 23, 2018 22:16:13   #
I don't personally know her so it's up to your imagination. Mike
2wheeljunkie wrote:
The thought petrified me for a second, you mean like a carpet muncher?
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Feb 23, 2018 21:39:20   #
Maybe it would be better if you both continued to square off with verbal bursts and leave it at that! Mike
Richard Rowland wrote:
Speaking of Russian shotguns, perhaps I also have one like yours. Mine is a 12 gauge, styled after the AK-47, it has a banana clip and will adapt a barrel magazine, as well. I've thought about purchasing a barrel magazine. Perhaps though, it would be better if we squared off with paintball guns.
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Feb 23, 2018 21:23:07   #
POWERFUL and absolutely right. Mike
ldsuttonjr wrote:
"Bring up a child in the way he should grow and when he is older he will not depart from it!"
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Feb 23, 2018 21:17:37   #
Archie and Buf, I'm right there with you except the tire thing. Did the same with my daughter and she's stellar. Mike
archie bunker wrote:
I had to work to make money for anything other than a roof over my head, and groceries from a young age. Started with mowing grass at 8, or 9, throwing papers before school at 11, and moved up from there. Left home at 17, and never looked back.
I've done some truck tire work myself. Worked at a retread shop for a while. Those old split rings used to scare the hell out of me. I'd heard horror stories about em, and they made me real careful!
And I pretty much had the same philosophy with my kids. When they got caught, they paid for it themselves. And I always told them when I had no real right to b***h at them about stuff they did that I did at their age. But I paid my own way, so they did too.
And, you know......they're both damn good people now!
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Feb 23, 2018 21:11:22   #
Or use it to gain POWER, mostly for their own selves. Mike
JFlorio wrote:
You are exactly right. The left always has a knee jerk reaction to everything. Doesn't matter if a freedom or right is trampled on as long as they can feel better. Thanks for the link.
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Feb 23, 2018 21:03:59   #
twowheel, ever consider she's multi-action only not in the upstairs area? Mike
2wheeljunkie wrote:
Alicia in just another female lib who stepped over her mental boundary. Multi-action my ass. It alarming, hilarious, and scary because she has convinced herself that she is having rational dialog, 😨WTF😨
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