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Jun 19, 2013 19:13:25   #
Worried for our children wrote:
Perhaps its refering to "shadows".. as an illusion, a figment of ones imagination, meaning social security will be unsustainable in the near future and will become a thing of the past.


That would fit the subject very well. Perhaps the author felt that we're approaching the issue in a way that doesn't improve it's prospects for the future. So many people depend on Social Security, having no other income. A lot of people who receive old-age pensions are understandably concerned, also younger disabled people who are physically unable to work.
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Jun 19, 2013 04:37:04   #
oldroy wrote:
Although done in jest I don't know what it says, either. It could be the first message we will get from the White House to deal with the latest EO from old Prince Barack.


It means:

"You can find neither light nor shadows by just staring at the wall."

That's just an approximate t***slation; I don't know what point the author is trying to make with this quote.
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Jun 19, 2013 01:58:58   #
banjojack wrote:
It was not deliberate. Trust me.


Okay; I respect you so I'll trust you on this one. :thumbup:
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Jun 19, 2013 01:39:21   #
banjojack wrote:
The first one might have been caught, but it was not corrected.



When I first saw those words spelled like that, it was part of a much earlier post by another commentor. While I don't claim to speak for him, I'm pretty sure it was done deliberately, as a method of helping to make his point.

The best way to be sure would be to have a look at page 1 on this topic and read the original.
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Jun 18, 2013 20:07:26   #
LAwrence wrote:
Yes! I believe that the churches by and large are now what I call apostate' I no longer will be a part of organized churches. Most no longer even believe the bible is the inerrant Word of God.


LAwrence, I feel the same about organised religion. It seems to me that the most prevalent of them do more to stifle human spirituality than to advance it. They are anachronistic, holdovers from feudal times that are based on authority and fear; designed to maintain power and wealth.

They take a buffet approach to their holy books, cherry-picking the parts that suit their immediate purposes, then put their own spin on it. Then it is spoon-fed to the faithful, to be memorized and regurgitated on command/demand.

"Be a good boy/girl, do as you're told. That way, when you die you'll be plucked up into the sky and go to paradise. Otherwise you'll displease God. H**e and k**l whomever we say. Pray; don't meditate. Don't ask too many intelligent questions or point out the parts of our teachings that don't make sense. That would show a bad attitude. Keep it up and you'll get what's behind door #2; eternal hellfire."

"And keep those donations coming!"

For me, the most maddening part of it is that so many good, decent people fall for it; giving these fraudsters their faith and funding them. Your reasons for feeling as you do may differ from mine, but that pretty much sums up how I feel about it.
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Jun 18, 2013 04:46:57   #
banjojack wrote:
You asked for it, sports fans. Bear with me, I may wander. This is my second attempt, as I accidentally deleted my first. I suppose I should first address the question of whether or not the US was founded as a Christian nation. On the one hand, we have the First Amendment, stating that "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof." On the other hand we have the fact that almost all of the Framers, and 51 of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention were either Protestant or Catholic. (I'll get to the "establishment of religion" business later).
There have been assertions that the Founders were "Deists." Other than Thomas Paine, there is no evidence of any others subscribing to that belief. Washington and Jefferson were "anti-clerical Christians," meaning they contested the authority of the clergy. This was quite common in the time and place, largely as a reaction to the Catholic assertion of the infallibility of the Pope, and by proxy, his underlings. They were still Christians. I submit that the idea that anything other than some form of Christianity would ever dominate religion was so far fetched at the time that it was not seriously considered. The proscription in the First Amendment was placed there to prevent a "State Religion," such as the Church of England. Ironic, considering that 20 odd of the Convention delegates were members of that denomination. I hold the position that the US was founded as a Christian nation, based on Judeo Christian principles, because at the time, that was the only game in town.
Now, regarding AuntiE's request for elaboration on my statement that there is little Christianity in churches, I was referring to the pagan traditions that have wormed their way into the teachings of various denominations, and are being bruited about as Biblical in origin. (I'm starting to sound like one of those "rational theists" such as Thomas Jefferson now). Perhaps I should start with the Sabbath. Everyone knows it is on Sunday, right? The one taught in the Bible, and observed by Christ and the disciples was Saturday. There was no Sunday Sabbath until 321 A.D., when the Emperor Constantine, after one of the Nicene councils, decreed it so. This was partially a sop thrown to the worshippers of Mithra, which was a very popular religion among the Army. Mithra's sacred day of worship was Sunday. The "Catholic Encyclopedia" confirms this, along with the assertion, (found nowhere in the Bible) that the Pope having confirmed this, it is perfectly acceptable. Let us move on to Easter. Or should I say Eoster? Or would you prefer Ishtar, or Astarte? Easter has it's origins in Babylonia, in 2000 BC. The Sunrise service comes from there, celebrating the death and resurrection of Tammuz, who most definitely was not Jesus. Easter eggs and bunnies have their beginnings, as far as I can determine, somewhere in antiquity, predating even the Babylonians. The first mention of Easter bunnies that I have been able to find are in Germany in the 1400 to 1450 A.D. How the custom of making nests for rabbits to lay eggs in came about has eluded me this far.
The first mention of any celebration of Easter comes to us, once again, from the Emperor Constantine, in 325 A.D., as a curtain call, presumably, to his Sabbath decree.
Now for Christmas: Once again, we find the cult of Mithra involved, as Mithra, (who was, incidentally, born of a virgin on the 25th of December), The addition of the pine tree apparently occurred in Germany, about 800 A.D. or so. Irony once again, is that the only festival or observance that Christians were commanded to keep is that of Passover, which occurs around about the time of Easter. The irony derives from the fact that it's the only one that isn't kept.
There is more, but I'm skirting some of the main doctrinal points right now. If anyone is interested, I suppose I can pursue this further. My point is the politicizing of religion, and cherry picking this and that to make a religion fit a political belief. Obviously, this has been going on for a long, long time. The introduction of elements of various pagan religious practices to gain greater acceptance of Christianity for political purposes has been around for a while. Not only churches, but mosques are used to promote a mixture of faith and politics.
One last note: I can provide a bibliography for this, if anyone wishes, but you'll damn well pay me for it.
You asked for it, sports fans. Bear with me, I may... (show quote)


Banjojack, thanks for your comments; they were worth waiting for and made for some interesting reading. I can offer a few slices of information on this subject, too.

Our founding fathers made it clear that there was to be no official state religion largely because of the events that caused King Henry VIII's break with Roman Catholicism. The king created the Church of England (with himself being it's supreme governor) because the pope refused to annul one of his marriages. The political, religious, and social consequences of these events were far-reaching in England, and they were determined that this kind of thing would not be repeated here. At that time an Englishman was either a Roman Catholic (who were called "papists") of Protestants, which is why so many of our early leaders were members of the Anglican church.

As for Easter, it was originally a pagan festival which celebrated fertility, hence all the eggs and rabbits. And you were right about the sabbath day, too. Our word "Saturday" takes the name from the Jewish "sater."

The Christmas holiday was a compromise by the newly-converted Romans with the pagan holiday of the Saturnalia. The Romans of that time converted to Christianity but did not want to give up this hugely popular festival. The Bible states that when Jesus was born, the shepherds were up in the hills. That would have to have been around August for them to be up in these altitudes, not December. And as you say, the Christmas tree idea was a German tradition. It came to English-speaking peoples after Queen Victoria's German-born husband Prince Albert (of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) introduced them at Windsor Castle in the 1840's.

Thanks again for a very informative post.
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Jun 17, 2013 23:00:41   #
AuntiE wrote:
Only if you have time for a full thesis. When it takes him this long to post, it can only mean there will be a gazillion links, references, foot notes, etc.! :!:


That would be okay with me, and very appropriate, too! It's a complicated issue, and with many aspects worthy of comment.

Besides, it's worth waiting for those pills of his to start working!
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Jun 17, 2013 22:28:14   #
AuntiE wrote:
Actually, we are a Republic.


Thank you, AuntiE; I stand corrected.
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Jun 17, 2013 22:01:18   #
banjojack wrote:
It wasn't you that concerned me. My commentary will reveal the true origins of some commonly accepted dogmas that have nothing to do with Christianity, but are foisted off on a low info congregation. Things like the origins of Christmas, Easter, Communion, the Sunday Sabbath, and other practices that have been added on over the years, that are found nowhere in the Bible, but are creations of Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodoxy, with an admixture of Greek and Scandinavian mythology, along with some Babylonian mysticism. In other words, window dressing and "isms " masquerading as Biblical teaching.
It wasn't you that concerned me. My commentary wil... (show quote)


I'm looking forward to your upcoming comments too, Banjojack!
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Jun 17, 2013 21:58:03   #
aces wrote:
Heathen&Pagans is a nice way of calling it a duck&run crap in the pants sissiass goofballs...wanabee 666ers. That is the meglomaniacal idiocy that they now live. My friend,Heathen&Pagans have always existed these wonques are jonny come lately lackey's that could not run a Weiner stand...oopps that is what they actually. Great narrative my Friend..keep up the posts we are growing much stronger daily...eyes of the blind shall be made to see..Y'Shua Jesus


Aces, I got your point and appreciated your wit with a smile. Some people don't seem to understand (or appreciate) sarcasm even when it bites them on the ass. Like language itself, spelling can be a method of driving the point home.

I think the original point was that our country was founded on Christian values such as love, tolerance, forgiveness, family unity, etc. At least those were the original Christian values, sadly lacking in many who claim to be it's champions today.

Whether "Christion," Jewish, heathen, pagan, or atheist, so long as they don't try to force a theocracy on the rest of us, their spiritual beliefs are none of my business. And we ARE a democracy, not a theocracy. Everyone has the right to believe what they choose, but no one has a right to use their religion to shape laws that dictate.

I got your point, and I've got your back. Be well! :thumbup:
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Jun 5, 2013 01:04:50   #
oldroy wrote:
In answer to the bolded part, let me ask you if your god answers your prayers any better than mine does? Surely you don't think that my God is listening to people who don't believe in Him. You sound like a fool to me.


My post was a reply to, and directed at, another commentor who posted the link I referenced. The line you bolded was a quote from a film called "The Ruling Class," with which you are apparently not acquainted. Taken out of context that line may sound odd, but the movie was really very funny.

The God you serve and obey seems to be different from the one of my own understanding, so I can't speculate on what He does or doesn't do.

As for the last sentence in your statement, I would point out that things are not always what they appear to be.
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Jun 4, 2013 22:48:54   #
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-entertainment/201206/conservatism-mental-illness


Thanks for posting this link; I enjoyed reading that article and also the earlier column that inspired it. The author put things very well, and with great clarity.

I live in a tall apartment building with many elderly people as neighbours. Yesterday I heard someone at my door trying to open it, and it turned out to be an older neighbour who apparently has Alzheimers. She thought she had come to the apartment of a friend of hers, but when she realised her mistake she asked if she could come in and sit for a moment. I said yes, and after talking to my cat in Russian she kept opening and closing her purse, removing and then replacing some broken cookies over and over again. I went along with the routine, not wanting to be harsh or unkind, until she was ready to leave about 30 minutes later.

I suppose we must try to be patient and kind to the confused and delusional people we encounter from time to time. But sometimes it's hard to indulge the intellectually challenged, and all we can do is hope they take their medications and receive the sympathetic care they need for their mental problems.

If I was a christiam, I might pray for them. But I found that whenever I prayed in the past I was talking to myself. Does that mean that I'm god?

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Jun 2, 2013 18:19:55   #
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
Actually I do..ever heard of the great depression? FDR? The New Deal?


Quite right, Patriot!

Our country was nearly destroyed when capitalism was taken to predatory extremes until FDR introduced reforms that put the brakes on these criminals.

New York banksters and their partners in crime on Wall Street didn't care about how they got their l**t, or whether or not working people had food or a place to live. Hard-working Americans lost their jobs, were turned out of their homes, and faced extreme poverty in their old age.

Roosevelt saved our country's way of life at a time when democracy and freedom could have gone under. Many people don't know this, but a f*****t c**p very nearly succeeded in o*******wing President Roosevelt in 1934. The failed only because General Smedley Butler refused to co-operate with the conspirators, and refused to lead a military dictatorship for them and informed the President.

Creeping Socialism, some people will scream! But watch how indignant they get when you take away their Social Security pensions and Medicare!
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Jun 2, 2013 16:29:55   #
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
Have a good apoplexy moron! :-P



Actually that happens to christiams all the time, but cameras seldom capture it so vividly! :lol:
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Jun 2, 2013 16:19:34   #
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
Have a good apoplexy moron! :-P


Aaaaaaa-men, my friend! :thumbup:
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