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Aug 24, 2014 15:13:15   #
You are way off balance weaving all that pagan concern into Gods Word. That is not God's direction and "YOU KNOW IT"

Steven Speilberg would love to talk with you, I bet.
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Aug 24, 2014 09:53:37   #
Rainrider wrote:
The new heaven and new earth will come about after the 1000 year reign of Yeshua, as well as after the passing of the old heaven and old earth. Rev. 21:1.
As for the judgment, if you would take a little time to read you would find in, Rev 6:9-11, that we are given immediate entry into heaven.


And just when does the thousand year reign begin? When you say so?
When the graves opened after Jesus died on the Cross, then a half day after Jesus was resurrected those bones of the Saints rose and walked as prophets and such again - then rose into heaven; thats when the thousand year reign began, Christ with his True Saints.

Stop reading the gentiles into everything.
You know Abraham had a child with an Egyptian woman, his own wife (niece), and a Canaanite woman.
He did not have a child with a Gentile woman. So the Gentiles are referred to as Adopted into the blood of Christ through "Faith Alone".

Gentiles do not share the physical DNA, and genetics with the lineges of Abraham, up to Jesus Christ, as the other races do. So stop reading yourself, the gentiles, so much into scripture.
For the Gentiles the Holy Bible is a teaching and learning tool, the Word of God as to Not Fall from our Lords Grace as all the others had done, and keep our "Faith."
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Aug 24, 2014 08:55:24   #
Rainrider wrote:
The Arab people are the descendants of Ishmael. As you will recall his mother was Hagar, it is through her that one finds the blood line of Nimrod. Tammuz was the son of Nimrod that was said to be the son of god, born from Nimrod's mother.
There is a lot of teaching that goes along the line you have spoke of. However nothing conclusive has been found to back this teaching. Yet when one looks at all that Nimrod or his mother did, it is some what clear that they had a hand in bringing about many gods. Ishtar, the goddess of fertility. In fact in later times her name was changed to estoreth. This is where the name for Ester comes from.
I do hope you will post your findings, I am sure that you will find something I have missed in my research.
The Arab people are the descendants of Ishmael. As... (show quote)


Goodgrief. Nimrod was the son of Cush, who was the son Ham- the second son of Noah. Nimrod was the first dictator who caused the people to build the tower of Babel so he could reach the heights of heaven and be equal to God, to be as God.
God destroyed the tower and grouped the people according to languages and sent them out to repopulate the earth as intended.

The Bible does not teach of pagan greek gods, or any for that matter other then mentions a few of ems names.
Keep your eyes on the Lord God when studying "his" word and you wont get so side tracked.

The arabs are from Shem, Noahs third son, as well as the eventual Hebrews. Abraham took another wife after Sarah died whose name was Keturah, and had six sons by Abraham. They became eastern Arabs. Hagars son Ishmael married an Egyptian woman who his mother got for him. Ishmael, having been blessed of God at Abrahams request, had twelve sons and one daughter. Esau married his daughter along with to Horite women from Mt. Hor.
The bloodlines of Ishmaels family were egyptian, but they eventually merged with the Arab tribes.
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Aug 24, 2014 02:47:52   #
rich boise wrote:
Yes. Clearly no stone left upon another has been fulfilled but Daniel and Ezekiel address a temple in Jerusalem (in the latter days). It seems very clear to me that there is another temple to come. I think it will be pretty soon. Also I would add that there is a lot prophecy in the Bible. Clearly God wants us to study it. Daniel talks of knowledge increasing near the end. Also, Daniel's book was to be closed until near the end of the age. Clearly as we approach the end of the age God will continue to open these passages for those who are diligently seeking Him. I expect to be one of those. Do not grow weary. The more scoffers arise the more clear it is. I personally believe in a pre-tribulation rapture for many reasons. The more I study prophecies the more I see the "church age" as a kind of parentheses in history. I believe that when the church is complete it will be snatched up and God will return His focus to Israel. There are many prophecies for Israel that have not yet come to pass. Daniel's 70th week is a great example of why I think that. How could Jesus come like a "thief in the night" at the end of Armegeddon? How could He come "like a thief in the night" after the anti-Christ sets up the "A*********n of Desolation". If the church was here they would surely know when He is coming! Maranatha, come Lord Jesus!
Yes. Clearly no stone left upon another has been f... (show quote)

I was really hoping to debate and discuss Gods Word with you until I read Rapture. You know that is religious vanity, and giving your scriptual knowledgs to John Nelson Darby who invented the rapture theory in the early 1800s, rather than looking to the Lord for T***h.

Every time a Christian Spirit passes thru death and enters Heaven- God expands his Perfected Church "in Heaven."

Only in Judgment, which every one has and will go thru, does Every knee bend befor their majestic lord judge.
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Aug 24, 2014 02:25:33   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
I am wondering about something. Prophecy uses the term woman to relate the prophecy about the nations. Which nation would be the one described in John as the woman with the beast, the whore of Babylon? If Muhammad was the anti christ and the Muslim religion is the beast, then who is the whore.....I wonder?

God says woman since Eve, God's daughter, is who began birth to the chosen people of God, then the woman- the virgin Mary to Jesus Christ. On the cross Jesus did not say "Mother, behold your son" when speaking to Mary (His mother) and John, he called her "woman" instead. In the Births of Gods chosen people their is Eve, Sarah, Rebeka, Leah and Rachel, Elizabeth, and the Virgin Mary.
The hebrews and eventually called Jews were one complete body of people, God calls them Woman after the ancient ancestral Mothers- begining with Eve..
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Aug 23, 2014 13:28:43   #
Rainrider wrote:
Well after spending the last 20 years in study, I would say that I can see a 1/2 t***h from the Bible when it is given. As for I feel about the way most tele-evangelists teach, they do seem to read only what fits what they wish to make others believe.
It is clear to me how evr that you have no clue as to the topic. True when we talk of the end of Times, folks like you with little or no understanding think end of the world. Yet when you say something like, "scripture says World Forever, Amen?" you have no backing for it.
The world Yes this world is going to end in time. As witness to this please read, Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


As you will note it states TILL heaven and EARTH pass. Feel free to read this in context with the whole of the Bible, you will find that the statement is what it is.
You may wish to learn something of a person before you lay claim to understanding how they think or what they have done in their lives. You see they may just know a bit more than you think. Or is it that you only wish to seem more intelligent than every one around you? If that is your wish, you may also wish to pick your words with more intelligence.
Now would be a great time for you to back your thinking with true BIBLICAL scripture. After all, it is known that the Bible needs no interpretation. It does a great job of doing so on it's own. Like I said, after 20 years of study, I have a good understanding of it. I also know full well that what you claim can not be backed using scripture. Scarlet is also the color of blood.
Now lets take a look at the passage you are referring to. That would be Rev. 17:4. Yet should one take the time to read that passage in context, they will soon find that the women is not a women as you seem to see it. Religions are often refereed to as a women in the Bible. Case in point, the BRIDE OF YESHUA. This is talking of the church, or any that follow His teaching's, and have faith in Who He is and what He has done.
Next you will find that if you had read this passage, it tells of 7 hills. Yes I know many say this is Rome. Yet they may well have over looked that Mecca also sets atop 7 hills. Please note there are 7 kings talked of in this passage as well. 5 are fallen, ( dead) 1 is, and 1 is not yet.
When the 7th one comes he will continue a short time.
Now as for the women, On her forehead we find, "Mystery Babylon the great, mother of harlots and a*********ns of the earth."
Just who was it that fits this? Nimrod maybe? After all he was the father of a*********ns. He married his mom, and from that we were given an unholy trinity. You see she claimed that her son from Nimrod was the son of god, she was the mother of god, in that the child was a reincarnation of the father. This would make her the mother of a*********ns. If one was to follow the blood line of Nimrod, they will soon come to what is now called the Arab people.
Now let us back up just a bit in this same chapter. We find that the nations of the earth will agree to give their kingdoms to the beast. In other words they will turn over the rule of their nations to this beast. It may well be that this beast is the United Nations. Once more we are looking at a Muslim run entity. One that will soon become leader of the new world order, or a one world government.
As you said, study. Things are not always so cut and dry when looking at prophecy. One must know what they are looking at. It is clear to me that you may have something to offer, how ever you have chosen a bad way to start off. Sit back and learn something, in your attempt to disrupt, you simply lead to something you had no idea was coming. That being a t***h you can not talk around. If you try, keep in mind I will be looking for scripture to back it up. If you can not lead and end with true scripture, and drop the speculation, please do not post.
Also, like dummy if your post is along this line, you will not even be a by line in any of mine.
Well after spending the last 20 years in study, I ... (show quote)


And as Scripture speaks of "A New Heaven, and a New Earth" how does that fit into your understanding? Hummm?

In old testament time, the world was tribal dictatorships. Israel was constantly harassed and pushed to war against them. Plus as they died, the spirits slumber in their graves until Jesus Christ had ascended into heaven as the "Firstborn into the resurrection", then the raising of the dead and judgment began for Heavens entrance.

When a new land and govt began in total freedom and liberty, first of its kind in all the worlds time- with No persecution for worshipping Christ; and the ressurection to where spirits of those who die dont have to wait eons for judgment into Heaven, This is the New Heavens and New Earth.

So instead of sitting around trying to scare people with worlds end, try looking around you as scripture and prophecy unfolds "daily" all around us.
Jesus coment of not having come to change the "Law" not one jot or tittle is refering to the "Book of the Law" that was kept inside the Ark Of The Covenant, of which Judged the "Jews", not us. That is the book in thr angels hand in Revelation.

So what kind of Godly smart remarks do you want to make to me now?
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Aug 23, 2014 01:36:37   #
Rainrider wrote:
Some may well see telling the t***h as mean. However if the t***h can save just one soil then be it naughty or nice it is well worth it.
I also do not think that you will find any one person that truly follows the Wrod, telling any one that they only have a week left. You see we really don't know. Yeshua tells us we will not know the day nor the hour. Yet he does tell us we can discern the season. Keep in mind that the season can mean what time of year, yet doesn't inform us of the year. One must also keep in mind that a year to mankind is not same as a year to HaShem.
With that in mind, one must always only look at the time peace of HaShem, (that would be Israel) to note what time we think it is. That time peace can only give one the season, and not the exact time. Though many things that one looks at tells us the 0 hour is near, there is no clear indicator that tells us if the time is now, 2200 or 2330.
My last point on this. We are called to be watchmen on the wall. The job of anyone on fire watch is to sound the alarm, when they see the noted event or threat is at hand. To do less is to violate a trust that has been placed on you. If a man on fire watch in a war zone failed to sound off when the note threat was at hand, many lives would be lost. In this case we sound off to save soils not lives.
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There is so much that even todays Christians dont know of thr Bible because they would rather sit and partially listen to someone on tv, of let a pastor read little bits of scripture to you,,,,,,, and no one picks up their Bible to study it in depth themselves.
The whore of babylon sit on scarlet. That is the color of roman soldiers capes. Scripture is speaking of Herodius who had john the baptist beheaded. Herodius grmother was Mariame, a judean maccabean princess, and wife of Herod the Great, who slaughtered baby boys hoping one was baby Jesus. Herodius left her husband Herod-philip because he did something wrong and his money was cut off. So Herodius took up with Agrippa, where there was money.

Did any of yoj Christians know this? Yet you sit around and determine that the world is going to end,,,,, even though scripture says World Forever, Amen?

It just makes me sick to listen or read such Biblical Ignorance---
Open up your Bible and start studing and reshearching. After about a year then give your scriptural understandings.
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Aug 23, 2014 01:04:54   #
H**e the sin, love the sinner? Well, the sin is from the mindset of the sinner, which is the sinner.
So as I said we are to love the life force (spirit) within everyone because it is of God, and witness and/or pray for the sinner. But to utterly love the enemy that wants to take innocent lives..... your nuts rumi because that would be the devil. Tell me, do you love ISIS? Would you love to see the beheadings of your country men?
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Aug 22, 2014 00:51:48   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
What need need to do is look at what part of the prophecy has been fulfilled, like the Destruction of the Second temple in 70 AD was fulfilled, and where we are in prophecy. Do we know, can we estimate? That's where we need to start.

Since hindsight is 20:20 we can use the events in the past 100 years to justify the fulfillment of some of the prophecy. Make sense?


True, your very good at scripture. When the jews were thrown out of Israe is the Eagle as it was Roman military ensign, the roman soldiers,ì6 that sent the jews out. The earth opened her mouth by taking the jews in into other lands.

Were we are right now is where it says the devil goes up the breadth of the Earth..... Jesus word is bread, we are the free people who worship him in freedom..
As scripture reads- it will be a nuclear strike that finally stops them.
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Aug 22, 2014 00:40:13   #
Rainrider wrote:
As the end of days gets closer, it is even more important that we look hard at what is to come. In hopes of us knowing who is who, what is what, and when to do as Yeshua told us. The best place to start in my mind would be Rev. 13. It is here that we get a good idea what is going to happen. As with all study I know it will not stay on this passage. After all there are so many that shine light on this. Daniel, Ezechiel, Issiah, Jeremiah, and others.
Here we will look at why one may think the beast is the RCC, from the tribe of Dan, Islam, or what ever is on your minds.
I firmly believe it is Islam. I say this for many reason, yet the most impotent would be the description given in both Bible, and the Koran.
Let me first open by removing the RCC from this list. For any that think I am wrong, please point out why. Though I do pray the teaching has removed from ever ones mind by now. I will do this by looking at what the spirit of the anti-christ is, and what it will do.
1John 2:22-23 tells us that anyone that denies the reality of the Trinity, embodies the spirit of the anti-christ. The RCC teaches about the Trinity, so it can not be them. As do most religions that follow the true faith.
Knowing this the anti-christ will never give acknowledgement to the teaching. Rather he will mock it, Teaching that HaShem is to good to have a child with a mortal. Is this not what Islam does?
2John 1:7 calls the anti-christ a deceiver. So with the passages given, we find that the anti-christ will deny all of the following.
1 That Yeshua is the Savior of Israel and the world.
2 The trinity, or that Yeshua is the Son of HaShem.
3 That Yeshua is HaShem who came to earth in the flesh, and walked with us.
Does not Islam do all the above?
Rev.13:14 we find that the anti-christ, ( known here after as A.C.) is a deceiver. In the Koran we find that Allah brags about being Khayrul-Makireen. A literal t***slation of this is, The greatest of all deceivers.
Looks like a good place to stop for now, I have some things I must get done.

Barukh Attah Adonai, It is with a humble heart, and great care we undertake this topic. No man can lay claim to knowing all the answers, yet when many gather to loook at a thing, we are open to many ideas, and in them we can find the t***h, if simply let the Spirit be our guide. You told us you would send us a teacher, and a comforter. We all stand in agrement of this, and understand that to be the Spirit. Your Spirit is to be our only true teacher, so we ask that you will open our hearts, minds, and ears to what you have to say.
This we ask, and give thanks for in the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach.
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Is this more of the end of the world stuff? Tell that to a group of teenagers getting ready to step out in life to experience Love, Marriage, Children, all the life that you have yet they wont.
That is very wrong, and very MEAN.

Muhammad, Islams man, plus his father are both from the tribe of 'Hashim'. This is common knowledge. Spelled a bit different but the same as you put.
Hashum, was a fraudulent priest who got in when the temple was being rebuilt in the book of Nehemia.
There descendant is Muhammad and Islam.
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Aug 22, 2014 00:22:02   #
rumitoid wrote:
Jesus found those who "diligently studied" scripture to be wanting.

Where does that leave you?
Some people find their spirituality through prayer and scripture, others find their spirituality through religion. In the end when both are taken into Heaven, what will it matter to anyone here.
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Aug 22, 2014 00:07:23   #
rumitoid wrote:
Then you do not really love your enemy or know Christ. End of story.


You love the life force within all people because it is of GOD. To love the person themself who h**es you and want to k**l you - No.

There is alot about Gods Word that is practicle, and common sense. Wish you'd use it.
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Aug 21, 2014 23:30:55   #
Glaucon wrote:
Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray for them that despitefully use you.

Treat others as you want to be treated.

Do you believe that? Do you believe you should follow that advice? Do you believe others should follow that advice, but not you? Do you believe we should treat others as we would want to be treated? Do you believe Jesus was wrong about this advice?

Dose asking these questions make you upset and make you want to change the subject and distract to someone or some topic other than yourself? Would you rather think about these questions as you think they pertain to others and avoid, deflect, and misunderstand how they apply to yourself?

How can professing Christians not believe these things and act on them?

If you could talk with Jesus right now, how well could you tell him you are following his advice?
Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray... (show quote)

Jesus did not tell 'anyone' he would take away our emotions, so all our emotions remain intact.
There are times I treat people the way I want to be treated, and there are times when someone is a complete a-hole to me and I automatically react with anger. What Jesus teaches is 'diciplining' yourself with goodly and Godly reasons to do so. Discipline is the same as disciple, learning. As people as well as Christians, we get better with age in controlling ourselves.
JESUS DID NOT COME TO TAKE AWAY OUR HUMAN EXPERIENCE, but gives us reason and teachings to choose the good, by understanding the bad, and results thereof. The greatest reward in striving for the good in yourself, is Heaven.
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Aug 20, 2014 23:01:20   #
So rumi, you believe in and follow after Jacques Ellul and all his writings and books? I'm not knocking it, but you sure like knocking the Christians. We believe as we do by our choice, just like you.
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Aug 20, 2014 22:07:30   #
rumitoid wrote:
In the beginning, Christianity was the pure preaching of the grace and love of God revealed in Jesus Christ. Far from being a new moral teaching, the New Testament (and the Old Testament as well, although perhaps not quite so obviously) was an “antimoral.” The Christian does not receive a set of rules, or even a set of guidelines from God. Rather, the believer has an encounter with his own sinfulness and God’s graciousness in Christ. In Ellul’s words, “there is an acknowledgment of the revealed God, faith in his love, acceptance of his will and from there a search for a way of life that responds to the love of God and his will.” 11 Indeed the idea of a Christian morality is impossible for Ellul.

The Christian is always a sinner, justified by God, and so a new moral will do nothing at all to help him out of his fallen state. Then Christianity became a state religion in the early 300s AD. Suddenly ‘mass evangelization’ became more important than careful catechesis in the faith. The genuineness of conversion could no longer be ascertained. The end result was a church that had to develop a morality, a standard of conduct for the masses of people who had just flooded its sanctuaries.

Morality replaced the freedom of the converted man to love God and his fellow man. Laws imposed by the church from the outside replaced the Spirit leading the believer into the revealed will of God. Sadly, the fallen state of man found this state of affairs quite pleasing. Ellul notes that even when the freedom of the Christian in the Gospel was rediscovered at the time of the Reformation, it was not long before the church returned to its old moralizing ways: (Morality was) the breaking point, everyone knows, of the Lutheran reformation. But the slope is so steep that as soon as the first generation, which rediscovered Christian liberty, passed, (the church) returned, particularly with Calvin, to rigid morality and the MORALITY.

This is a huge point. Ellul totally gets that eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is judgment and is at the root of all sin (see chapter IV). The Kingdom revolution is a revolution of the Spirit -- which is the antithesis of living on the basis of ethics. He continually stresses that the New Testament and the early Jesus-movement "has no morality." Once Christianity became a ruling power and a successful mass movement, however, it had to control people with rules.

SUCCESS. The Kingdom only works when it's lived out in small numbers. Once it becomes a mass movement, it becomes an ideology and loses its soul.
* MONEY. A movement that was founded on people renouncing all possessions got seduced into sanctifying the "right" to possessions.
* MORALITY. This is a huge point. Ellul totally gets that eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is judgment and is at the root of all sin (see chapter IV). The Kingdom revolution is a revolution of the Spirit -- which is the antithesis of living on the basis of ethics. He continually stresses that the New Testament and the early Jesus-movement "has no morality." Once Christianity became a ruling power and a successful mass movement, however, it had to control people with rules.
* RELIGION. The Jesus movement is anti-religious. But people crave religion. They have "religious needs" that the Jesus movement undermines. When the movement became a mass movement, it became a Christianized version of pagan religion.
* PRAGMATISM. The Kingdom was founded on the singular concern to be faithful to God, not a concern to fix the world. Once Christianity became successful, however, it wrongly assumed responsibility to rule the world and got practical. Since most of Jesus' teachings are impractical, they had to be set aside.
* VIOLENCE. Non-violence never seems practical, so it was among the things that needed to go. (Here Ellul curiously argues that the example of Islam was the main influence in making Christianity a violent religion, see Chapter V).
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* POWER. The heart of the problem, Ellul argues, is that we fear the freedom the Kingdom offers us. It's the radical freedom of possessing nothing -- including power. We rather crave the security of things, of power, of rules, and of pretending we are free (e.g. by having a v**e) when in fact we are in bondage. The Spirit was to set us free, but this requires relinquishing all these things.
It is the natural propensity of man to attempt to get everything figured out with finite reasoning. This is particularly true of man in Western civilization, following in the footsteps of Aristotelian reasoning, and seeking to explain all phenomena in the linear logic of direct cause and effect. Man wants to turn his observations into syllogisms and rational laws based on deductive inferences and inductive persuasion.
The philosophers and the theologians, in particular, have served as thought-mechanics to ratchet and wrench human thought into ideological constructs. They are not content to allow the conceptual-artists of poetry and drama and music to express ideas in abstraction. The logicians can allow for no paradoxes or antinomies which are against the law of reason. Their minds short-circuit whenever there are loose-ends of thought that cannot be tied-down into an outline of reasonable categories. Contrary to Eastern thinkers who are more prone to accept a both-and explanation rather than a polarized either-or explanation, the Western thinkers have a difficult time accepting the balance of a dialectic tension. Western philosophy and theology has thus tended to analyze, categorize, compartmentalize and systematize their thought into tightly formulated structures, propagated in academic disciplines such as systematic or dogmatic theology. They have a lust for understanding and certainty that cannot be satiated until they have conceived, created and constructed an ideological ...ism.
   Behind these narrow classifications of rational explanation is the quest to cast all thought into an explicable entity. They seem to think that all phenomena must be made conceptually comprehensible and coherent. It must be reduced and consolidated into an understandable unit, which can then be labeled with an ...ism. By this process of reductionism men have attempted to box up and package human thought, to nail it down in air-tight compartments, which can then be stereotyped and "pegged." Little do they seem to realize that air-tight compartments are stale, stagnant and static, chambers of death, tombs of tautology.
When the living reality and expression of the being and activity of the eternal, infinite God in His Son, Jesus Christ, is subjected to this simplification and summarization of rational explanation, He is completely diminished and t***sposed into a conceptual ...ism that in no way explains the divine reality of Christianity. God cannot be put in a box! When men attempt to do so, they have only devised an idea of God that is no larger than their cranial cavity, and who would want a god that small? Yet, evidencing the deification of their own human reason, men have continued since the Fall to attempt to reduce God to a unit of thought. In doing so they have accepted the original temptation they can "be like God," for they can then take the religious formulation of thought they have created in their minds, manipulate it in their own interest, and control the collective society of people thereby. Thus it is that religionism attempts to "play God" in the lives of people, and propagates a particular belief-system that becomes a distinctive ...ism of a sociological movement.

Christian Religion and its ...isms
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Ellul is not a spoken name for God in either OT or NT. So come clean on your belief system and name of it, or stop trying to create strife on those who openly profess their faith.
Everything you have said in your running post is a belief just like everyone elses stated beliefs.
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