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Jan 22, 2014 00:58:05   #
Ricko wrote:
Mr. Brown-interesting , sensible analysis. I believe we sometimes get caught up in part ideology rather than what might be good for the country as a whole. For example: The TEA party is demonized by some and all those folks really want is smaller government, less taxes, and adherence to the constitution. I would think that as Americans we would all want these same things. Who wants more taxes, more intrusive government, and a lawless government ? You are correct that we should place more emphasis on what is right with our country and offer solutions for fixing what we perceive as being wrong, and at least debate the points of disagreement. We do not now have that on this forum and it has degenerated into a platform for accusing or denigrating one another without achieving any positive results that would benefit the country. We all know that congress (Senate/House) is staffed with people who have been there for so long that they think they are self employed and therefore work to benefit themselves. I think we can all agree that term and age limits would benefit the country. The problem is that nobody wants to get rid of their guy/gal . As a result we have 80 year old people many of whom should be retired still casting v**es on items they have not read and do not understand. Why is this allowed to happen? We can do better. Good Luck America!!!
Mr. Brown-interesting , sensible analysis. I beli... (show quote)


The first thing we need to show those in power is that we on sites like this can get along with each other. We need not agree on every thing but we do need to come to agreement on some issues that will get them to listen to what we have to say.
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Jan 21, 2014 18:37:37   #
cant beleve wrote:
You think?


Just keep reading these post & it will come to you what I am saying.
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Jan 21, 2014 18:33:00   #
banjojack wrote:
I'm the soul of civility. I have adopted 3 dogs, and I like flowers and balloons. I even tolerate the neighbors kids. (The neighbors, too). I exude tolerance and patience. I have not shot at anyone since the seventies. See how nice I am?


Now that, I would buy if you only shot people in the foot.

Oops I read your post again & saw that you only shot at people.

You didn't say you hit any. Now was your aim just bad or did they duck?
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Jan 21, 2014 18:28:11   #
jay-are wrote:
All that sounds good, but it is all rationalization to convince yourself of a lie. The lie is that all the Democrats are suggesting is reasonable restrictions.

The reality is that there is no need for reasonable restrictions, because the guns are not the problem. The violence is caused by the people not the guns. Once you get that t***h firmly planted in your understanding, you realize that what the Democrats really want is for no one to have guns other than authorities. You can deny it all you want, and you will be lying to yourself and me.

That is clearly unconstitutional, and the Democrat's gun control needs to be opposed because of that reason alone. It doesn't matter anything about all the different kinds of arms. The fact is that the Democrats do not want citizens to bear arms and we established a protection from that desire in the Bill of Rights.

I don't need an automatic weapon that can fire 200 rounds per minute to protect my property from an animal, or a burglar, but I have the right to own it if I want, and I may need it to protect myself from the military, or a foreign invader. I don't have the right to commit a crime with it, but I do have the right to own it. The crime can be punished. The right of ownership must be preserved.

If that right is not protected, the Bill of Rights is of no use.
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Rest easy I will not put you in front of a gun to get my way.

If I can not reason with words. I will trust that you trust in me to not seek to harm you. Yes I will give you the benefit of doubt.

Now we would really be getting some where if you could see that giving the benefit of doubt to others is the basis for living together.
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Jan 21, 2014 18:16:57   #
jay-are wrote:
Why do you expect me to think, but you never expect it of yourself, or if you do, why are you unwilling to share the results of your thoughts?


The issue was all about my thoughts & views on it.

The world will not stop or get better because of what I said.

it is my hope that we read what each other say in the hope to better understand each other. We do not need to go over thoughts & ideas with a fine tooth comb.

As we read & write back & forth we will have a better understanding of how we think.

The end I am looking for is that we come to see each other as people needing to create a place that we can live with peace & understanding.
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Jan 21, 2014 18:05:33   #
jay-are wrote:
You wrote: We have come to associate "compromise" with "defeat".

Let's see, we want to repeal Obamacare. When we compromise with the Democrats, we still have Obamacare. That is defeat in my view. If you don't accomplish the goal, you are defeated.


The state of health care in the US is in bad shape.

Good, bad or indifferent Obamacare is an attempt to do something towards those ends.

It is easy to be against Obamacare but what or how much would you pay or do for better health care. I don't need you answer I just what you to think about it.
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Jan 21, 2014 17:57:11   #
saltwind 78 wrote:
The way to protect freedom isn't gun ownership. The way to protect freedom is vigilance, education, and making your voice heard. My .357 isn't going to do a hell of a lot against a bunch of Abrams tanks, writing my representatives in state and federal government is far more important. Education is a real problem in the past few decades. Education in math, science, and technology is where all the effort is going. As a retired history and government teacher, I am very concerned that these subjects have taken a back seat. I don't know how many times students have asked me why we even need to study history and government.
The way to protect freedom isn't gun ownership. Th... (show quote)


Having more & bigger weapons is not going to save the world for Us.

If we are to have a safe & secure place to live we will only have it if we can bring our self to trust each other
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Jan 21, 2014 17:47:27   #
straightUp wrote:
Floyd - you touch on some very interesting points. First, to answer the title question. I am here to for several reasons.

1. To learn. Sometimes on forums like this you can find someone with a perspective you haven't thought of before. 'Gotta say, that doesn't happen often on THIS site, which leads me to my second reason.

2. To practice conveying my ideas to closed minded people or people with limited comprehension sk**ls. Of course it's easier to communicate with educated people, but the problem with that is that they usually already know what I am trying to say. The real challenge is a dialog with a more "typical" folks who are already brainwashed by the simple-minded antics of their cultural influences. Many times, their responses to my posts are so far removed from any kind of reality that I can sit for minutes just trying to figure out where to even start.

3. To draft op-eds that I post on my various sites and sometimes more widely read publications. It's always a good idea to test ideas in a place where people are bound to have issues with your ideas. Again, I find other sites more useful for flushing out errors in my work, but this site is loaded with members that take an instance dislike to my ideas, so again there's that challenge - to actually get them to read it.

I wanted to comment on your point about... "Our life's have been alike in more ways that they differ."

This is a 5-star observation! I wish more people would see this. The way liberals and conservatives typically view each other for instance... You would think they're from different planets, but the reality is, they have far more in common than they think.

If I could make one simple idea be understood by members of this forum it would be that EVERYONE wants life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and the #1 force that drives the denial of these things isn't the corporation, nor is it government, nor political party, nor is it gay people, black people, Muslims or socialists. The #1 threat to our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is the place money has taken as the most important thing in America. More important than people. Even more important than God, which is saying a lot for a nation with such puritan influences.
Floyd - you touch on some very interesting points.... (show quote)


Your quote says it all

"The #1 threat to our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is the place money has taken as the most important thing in America. More important than people."

To many on this site fail to see just who is causing the most problems in that area.



This is where the heart of our problems are.
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Jan 21, 2014 11:54:08   #
jay-are wrote:
Why don't you tell me your answers to those questions and I will tell you if I agree or disagree.

You seem to be like the Democrats, always wanting the Republicans to propose a solution, and then trash the Republicans. They are not interested in the answer or solution only in a chance to trash the Republicans.

That seems like what you are baiting me for.

My answer is, don't complain or criticize unless you have a suggestion to fix the problem. If you are not willing to offer your ideas, you have nothing to offer.
Why don't you tell me your answers to those questi... (show quote)


I was not really looking for you answer. It was more in the vain of food for thought.
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Jan 21, 2014 11:46:47   #
Searching wrote:
Perhaps, there needs to be a topic that asks for "one" thing each one of us feels IS right. I sometimes think back to the topic at Christmas -- what we feel blessed for that moment in time. I think perhaps we have all been so engrossed with WHAT is wrong that we have lost sight of what IS right. It's a thought.


I think perhaps we have all been so engrossed with WHAT is wrong that we have lost sight of what IS right. It's a thought.

That is much more than just a though it is key to what is really happening.
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Jan 21, 2014 11:43:01   #
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Did we just warp into a Seinfeld episode? Where the whole premise of the show is about nothing.

The power brokers yank our chains and we bark on command.


Yahda! Yahda! Yahda!

I think you have something there with this being about nothing.

It is mostly about people venting.
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Jan 21, 2014 11:33:46   #
jay-are wrote:
The people in the 1700's & early 1800's were there legally, and did not cross a border leaving their home country and entering a neighboring country. Are you suggesting that since some people travelled there freely in the 1700's & early 1800's, that Mexicans are naturally entitled to move to California now without following imigration laws?

One does not follow from the other. That is why I was questioning your meaning.


Was it more or less just open country & part of Mexico then?

What makes some acts fair & others much like them unfair?

Is might makes right the best way to have things done?

Our way may be the right way but is it the fair way now & has it always been fair?
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Jan 21, 2014 11:24:33   #
UncleJesse wrote:
I seem to think it is a necessary outlet to engage in opposing ideas and seek validation from similar ideas.


That is right. I find myself comfortable with your views & ideas.

That has been going on here but there seems to be a lack of progress.

It is better if we first look for what we can agree on before we tackle the opposing ideas.
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Jan 21, 2014 11:15:54   #
JimMe wrote:
Mr Brown... It sounds as if YOU know "where the problems are coming from", so, instead of merely stating We haven't got "the answer", please tell Us Your Answer...


I only have a general idea of what is wrong & my saying in the past as to what I think is wrong has not been received well by some.

It will come about only if we truly want to look for the good with in each of our self's & others.

We need to look at each other to see what we have in common.

Once we exchange ideas of how we think & act alike can we move on to looking at how we differ.

It is not that we need to agree completely with each other but we do need to have a strong common ground to start with.
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Jan 21, 2014 11:03:19   #
jay-are wrote:
So, based on that second to the last sentence, if I disagree with everything you just said, then none of it is true.

By your own words, everything you wrote here is not true.


It is a statement of my views. It is not a matter of it being right or wrong or being true.

This also holds you views in the same light.

For it is only if we agree & others agree with us do we move towards the t***h.

We will only come together in our views if that is what we really want.

It will never happen as long as there are those that keep where we differ as the main course of contact.
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