rumitoid wrote:
As visionary as they were in creating "the great experiment" called the Republic of America, could they have possibly seen 18 of the deadliest mass shootings in modern US history, or the almost weekly mass gun violence and daily homcides? Muskets were one shot. (Yes, there were a few developments of weapons capable of firing more than a single round at the time but they were not mainstream.)
Are they to be blamed for a lack foresight in the future capacity of firearms to k**l many? Maybe we can go back and give them this list to contemplate when they wrote "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." (That word "infringed" is the problem. All the other Amendments, including the most important 1st Amendment, have had various needed federal, call it, infringements.)
Let them read this, all non-combatants:
Las Vegas, October 1, 2017 — 59 dead, more than 850 wounded
Orlando, June 12, 2016 — 50 dead, 53 wounded
Virginia Tech University, April 16, 2007 — 32 dead, 17 wounded
Sutherland Springs, Texas, November 5, 2017 — 26 dead, 20 wounded
Sandy Hook Elementary School, December 14, 2012 — 26 dead, two wounded, all mostly young children
K**leen, Texas, October 16, 1991 — 23 dead, 27 wounded
San Ysidro, California, July 18, 1984 — 20 dead, 16 wounded
Parkland, Florida, February 14, 2018 — 17 dead, 17 wounded
El Paso, August 3, 2019 – 22 dead, 24 wounded
University of Texas-Austin, August 1, 1966 — 15 dead, 31 wounded
San Bernardino, California, December 2, 2015 — 14 dead, 22 wounded
Edmond, Oklahoma, August 20, 1986 — 14 dead, 7 wounded
Okay, I think that is more than enough. I feel if they had this list that the 2nd Amendment would be far more restrictive, heavily infringed upon out of basic decency and the common good. But the Right thinks there is nothing to do about the epidemic violence of guns. On the Right they call it "the price of freedom." (That's our children they are talking about.)
The States have gun control laws--which is the best argument against their do-nothing attitude. Strict here and loose there is not control; it is chaos and ridiculous. Federal gun controls, universal for the nation, will help. Nothing we do will end the violence, yet we need to do something soon to at least lessen it. Please think hard about it. Merry Christmas.
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Read the entire list of Banned Firearms in California, and then explain how "mass shootings" can still happen in CA.
The following handgun models whose certification has expired or otherwise removed from the Roster. These models may no longer be sold, offered for sale, or manufactured in California.
Manufacturer Model Caliber Gun Type Barrel Length Expired
Charter 2000 53889 Leopard .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Charter 2000 13825 Tiger .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Charter 2000 53890 Goldfinger (Blk/Gold tone) Std .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Charter 2000 53823 Undercover Lite (Red/SS) Std .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus M85 Blk 2-850021FS .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus M85 Ultralite Blk 2-850021ULFS .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus M85 Ultralite SS 2-850029ULFS .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus M85 Protector 2-850021PFS .38 Spl Revolver 2.5" 01/01/2021
Taurus 2-856029CHVL .38 Special Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus 2-856029ULCH13 .38 Special Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus 2-856029ULCH12 .38 Special Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus 2-856029ULCHVL .38 Special Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Taurus M85 SS 2-850029FS .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2021
Magnum Research DE44CA (Black) (Made in Israel) .44 Magnum Pistol 6" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22LR (Majestic Pink) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22M (Blue) .22 Magnum Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22LR (Royal Blue) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises CB38 (Black) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22LR (Chrome) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22MPK (Majestic Pink) .22 Magnum Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises S38PB Shadow (Pink) .38 Spl Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22TL (Teal) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22GK (Olive Drab Green) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22PR (Purple) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises CB38TK (Tan) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22MRD (Ruby Red) .22 Magnum Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises CB38GK (Olive Drab Green) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22MRB (Royal Blue) .22 Magnum Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises S38BKB (Black) .38 Special Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22MS .22 Magnum Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises S38SKB (Satin) .38 Special Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises CB38 (Satin) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22LR (Black) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises CB38 (Majestic Pink) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22S .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22M (Chrome) .22 Magnum Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises C22LR (Ruby Red) .22 LR Derringer 2.4" 01/01/2021
Cobra Enterprises CB38 (Chrome) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2021
Franklin Armory Pistol SKU 3130-BLK 5.56 NATO (.223 Remington) Pistol 7.5" 01/01/2020
Sturm, Ruger & Co. GP100 (Wood Grip) 01771 .357 Magnum Revolver 4.2" 01/01/2020
Cobra Enterprises Patriot 45 (Black) .45 ACP Pistol 3" 01/01/2020
Cobra Enterprises Patriot 45 (Stainless) .45 ACP Pistol 3" 01/01/2020
Ed Brown Products SF-BB-CAL2 (Black) .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PW9609L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PB9113L .38 Super Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9648 .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9262 .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9614 .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PC9107L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9103 .357 SIG Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9832 .40 S&W Pistol 3.01" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9109 .40 S&W Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9411 9mm Pistol 5.01" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9202 .40 S&W Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PI9140L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9104 9mm Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9612 .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9161L .45 ACP Pistol 3.5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9113 .357 SIG Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9154L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9109L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9130L 9mm Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9801L .45 ACP Pistol 3" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9104L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9646 .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PI9134L 9mm Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9702 .40 S&W Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PI9132L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9501 9mm Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9810 9mm Pistol 3" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9511L .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9502 .40 S&W Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9624 .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9405 .40 S&W Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PW9108L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9142L .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9608L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PW9151L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9704 9mm Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9151L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9152L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PC9106L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9301L .45 ACP Pistol 3.5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9622 .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PW9142L .45 Pistol 4.0" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9831 9mm Pistol 3" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9647 .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory XD9701 9mm Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Springfield Armory PX9628L .45 ACP Pistol 6" 01/01/2019
Bond Arms Brown Bear .45 Colt Derringer 3" 01/01/2019
Bond Arms Big Bear .45 Colt Derringer 3" 01/01/2019
Franklin Armory SE-SSP SKU 3125-BLK 5.56 NATO Pistol 10.25" Bull Barrel 01/01/2019
Franklin Armory SE-SSP SKU 3125-PNK 5.56 NATO Pistol 10.25" Bull Barrel 01/01/2019
Charter 2000 53833 Cougar (Pink/SS) Std .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FNP-9 (Stnls. Matte Black) 9mm Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FN 5.7 U.S.G. (Matte Black) 5.7x28mm Pistol 4.75" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FNP-9 (Stainless Slide/Black Frame) 9mm Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FN HP-SA .40 S&W Pistol 4.5" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FN HP-SA 9mm Pistol 4.66" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FNP-40 .40 S&W Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FNP-40 Stainless .40 S&W Pistol 4" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FN HP-SFS 40 (Polished Blue) .40 S&W Pistol 4.6" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FN HP-SA 40 (Polished Blue) .40 S&W Pistol 4.5" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale FN 5.7 I.O.M. (Matte Black) 5.7x28mm Pistol 4.75" 01/01/2019
Fabrique Nationale HP-SFS 40 (Matte Black) .40 S&W Pistol 4.6" 01/01/2019
Auto-Ordnance Auto-Ordnance T1911 STD .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Auto-Ordnance AHF Commemorative Model .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Auto-Ordnance Auto-Ordnance 1911 WGS Deluxe .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2019
Armscor Precision MAPP1 FS 9mm Pistol 4.5" 08/17/2018
Taurus "Raging Bull" M444 (Stainless) .44 Magnum Revolver 6.5" 01/01/2018
Sturm, Ruger & Co. KNR-5-10 (Satin Stainless) 08100 .22 LR Revolver 5.5" 01/01/2018
Sig Sauer Mosquito (Two Tone) MOS-22-T-CA .22 LR Pistol 4" 01/01/2017
Sig Sauer Mosquito (Blued) MOS-22-B-CA .22 LR Pistol 4" 01/01/2017
Sig Sauer Mosquito (Reversed Two-Tone) MOS-22-RT-CA .22 LR Pistol 4" 01/01/2017
Sig Sauer 1911-22 (Blued) 1911-22-B-CA .22 LR Pistol 5" 01/01/2017
Armatix iP1 .22 LR Pistol 3.58" 01/01/2017
Armatix iP1 Limited Edition .22 LR Pistol 3.58" 01/01/2017
Taurus 605NRA (Blue) .357 Magnum Revolver 2" 01/01/2017
Taurus 941 (Black) 2-941021 .22 Mag Revolver 2.03" 01/01/2017
Taurus 941 (Stainless) 2-941029 .22 Mag Revolver 2.09" 01/01/2017
Taurus 85T Non-Ported .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2017
Taurus 2-850029ULFS .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2017
Taurus PT38S (Blue) .38 Super Pistol 4.25" 01/01/2017
Taurus 94 (Black) 2-940051 .22 LR Revolver 5.09" 01/01/2017
Taurus 44 TKR NRA .44 Magnum Revolver 4" 01/01/2017
Taurus 605 (Stainless) .357 Magnum Revolver 2" 01/01/2017
Taurus 605 (Blue) .357 Magnum Revolver 2" 01/01/2017
Taurus 2-850029 ULNRA .38 Spl Revolver 2" 01/01/2017
Colt I3060CS Python (silver) .357 Magnum Revolver 6" 01/01/2017
Colt O4691 Commander Ser 80 .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 01/01/2017
Beretta 84 FS Cheetah Nickel .380 ACP Pistol 3.8" 01/01/2017
Beretta 8357 Cougar F .357 SIG Pistol 3.6" 01/01/2017
Beretta 87 Target .22 LR Pistol 5.9" 01/01/2017
Beretta 87 Cheetah .22 LR Pistol 3.8" 01/01/2017
Beretta 85 FS Cheetah Nickel .380 ACP Pistol 3.8" 01/01/2017
Beretta 8000 Cougar F 9mm Pistol 3.6" 01/01/2017
Beretta 9000S Type F 9mm 9mm Pistol 3.375" 01/01/2017
Beretta 8040 Cougar F .40 S&W Pistol 3.6" 01/01/2017
Beretta 85 FS Cheetah .380 ACP Pistol 3.8" 01/01/2017
Beretta 84 FS Cheetah .380 ACP Pistol 3.8" 01/01/2017
Beretta 8045 F .45 ACP Pistol 3.7" 01/01/2017
Beretta 9000S Type F .40 S&W Pistol 3.4" 01/01/2017
Cobra Enterprises S38SB Shadow (Titanium Anodized) .38 Spl Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2017
Cobra Enterprises CB38 (Ruby Red) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2017
Cobra Enterprises S38BB Shadow (Black) .38 Spl Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2017
Cobra Enterprises S38RBB Shadow (Royal Blue) .38 Spl Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2017
Cobra Enterprises S38RDB Shadow (Red) .38 Spl Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2017
Cobra Enterprises CB38 (Royal Blue) .38 Spl Derringer 2.75" 01/01/2017
Cobra Enterprises S38CGB Shadow (Gold) .38 Spl Revolver 1.85" 01/01/2017
Armscor Precision M1911-A1 Tactical .45 ACP Pistol 5" 07/26/2016
Barsto Pistol Division Bar Sto Precision .40 Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P220R (Blued) .45 ACP Pistol 4.4" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P220R DAK (Blued) .45 ACP Pistol 4.4" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P239 DAK .40 S&W Pistol 3.6" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer SP2022 (Blued) .357 SIG Pistol 3.8" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P226 X5 Comp. (Stainless) 9mm Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P250 Compact (Two-Tone) 9mm Pistol 3.9" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P220R Carry (Two-Tone) .45 ACP Pistol 3.9" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P226 Dark Elite 226R-9-DSE-CA 9mm Pistol 4.40" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P220R Carry SAO (Blued) .45 ACP Pistol 3.9" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P239 DAK .357 SIG Pistol 3.6" 01/01/2016
Sig Sauer P226 X5 Comp. (Stainless) .40 S&W Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9231 .40 S&W Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9412 .40 S&W Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9121 9mm Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9404 9mm Pistol 5.01" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PX9804L .45 ACP Pistol 3" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9781 9mm Pistol 4" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9842 .40 S&W Pistol 3.01" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9132 .40 S&W Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PB9609L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9232 .40 S&W Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PB9114L .38 Super Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9311 9mm Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9261 .45 ACP Pistol 4" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PX9171L .45 ACP Pistol 3.5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9312 .40 S&W Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PX9103L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PX9171L (ambi safety) .45 ACP Pistol 3.5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9782 .40 S&W Pistol 4" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PX9103L (ambi safety) .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory PX9106L .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9221 9mm Pistol 4.08 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9131 9mm Pistol 5.01" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9222 .40 S&W Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2016
Springfield Armory XD9122 .40 S&W Pistol 4.08" 01/01/2016
Para USA 1911 Elite Commander 96667 .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 01/01/2016
Para USA 1911 Ducks Unlimited 96673 .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 01/01/2016
Para USA 1911 Elite 96663 .45 ACP Pistol 5" 01/01/2016
ISSC M22 (Blk/OD Green) - LSI .22 LR Pistol 4" 01/01/2016
ISSC M22 (Blk) - LSI .22 LR Pistol 4" 01/01/2016
ISSC M22 (Blk/Desert Sand) - LSI .22 LR Pistol 4" 01/01/2016
ISSC M22 (Blk/Pink) - LSI .22 LR Pistol 4" 01/01/2016
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/de-certified-handgunsThis is only a partial list!