Well V***l, if this how you define you cutting down, we'd better forget that beer or, we're both going to be replying from a local AA Chapter (grin).
I want to apologize for sounding gruff to you, I sometimes either stay up too late or rise too early. When I do that without the benefit of my three gallons of coffee, I can get more impassioned than what might be called for. I think you definitely need to write that book, but don't ask me to do your typing for you, I may not have that kind of time left and I'm only 35. Okay, may have strectched a tiny bit on the age, but you get the point?
When you said "Is it completely fair to then force somebody, a homosexual, to alter their view?", of course not. I sure have never taken kindly to anybody trying to force me to think or do anything. Do you think it fair NOT to teach a boy about his g****r? I'm pretty sure that my mother could have raised me just fine and, that my wife could have raised my son without me. I'm just grateful that I had a father around to teach and show me what it means to be a man, from a man's persepective. How else could I have known how to drink two cases of beer and, get through a DUI checkpoint without a hitch every holiday? No, never watched South Park, but hope you know I'm a huge fan of humor.
I've both ragged and chided Singularity on here about her post. We've exchanged ideas before and, it had been unpleasantness, followed by respectfulness. I've found most, although not all exchanges to be like that on OPP. This is a mainly "grownup" forum and, though everybody brings with them ideas from two very different ends of the spectrum and everything inbetween, I feel very blessed to have the opportunity to have these exchanges without censorship. We have a truly great country, just ask anybody who would risk life and limb to be here what it means to them. Further, I love Americans. We can fight like cats and dogs, but then if asked to, would lay down our lives for one another. Pretty cool right?
If NPP replaced his Christian view with a man's view, would or could Singularity have protested? Would you find that immoral or illegal too? Understand something important here, I, NPP and many, many others see God's view and that of being a man, inseparable. If you were a believer, you'd understand this. Can you argue against teaching boys to prepare to be a man in this world? How cruel, unusual and abusive would that be, to both the boy and women in general? Ask your girlfriend if she appreciates your masculinity or, if she'd rather have you act more feminine and be a better girlfriend for her. I can't even get my wife to k**l a bug, no way she would have my other roles. She loves me being a man and I her, being a woman. If a boy or girl reaches adulthood and find their g****r to be not quite the right fit or heterosexuality just a d**g, not my worry. Have you ever had something to eat that was so freakin' good that you just had to say to somebody next to you, "Here, ya gotta try this, it is so great"? Well, that's what I feel about heterosexuality and Christianity. I can't make you eat, don't want to either? Just more for me then, but am I wrong for asking you to take a bite?
You say, "I seek understanding with those that use faith as a reason to ostracize." and so do I. If you figure them folks out, please write a book so I can learn too. I loath those people who speak without being spoken to. Is loath too strong a word? I know you must have encountered a lab rat, (teasing again) at some point that never shuts up about their findings or, just seem to be a real Mr. or Mrs. Know-it-all? We all have, they're everywhere exercising that First Amendment right of theirs to everyone else's sometimes horror. We just deal with it and thank God or Darwin or whoever you feel is the responsible party and move on.
Oh my, that explains volumes "having been raised Catholic", I too am a recovering Catholic. They say you're never truly cured. I was raised as such, even went to Catholic high school and, knew more about rock music and the offensive and defensive lines of the Cleveland Browns (no wise cracks please, I still believe in them) than Jesus Christ, God or, faith. No wonder you h**e religion and the religious in general, me too and you're not going to believe what I say next, SO DOES GOD!
"Why is it that people need to conform?', too easy V***l, to keep those in power well fed and happy. All depends who you talk to I suspect. I'll try and make this my last reference to God okay and, just try to keep this all secular and friendly, so I can get my beer paid for by you, while watching football and, at that strip club this fall.
Jesus was a total radical, nonconformist (there I said it). He would go h*****g out with all manner of societal garbage, would even have a glass of wine sometimes with them too (but just one) He knew His limit. I heard last time He got wasted, He rained fire and brimestone down on a bunch of homos and, it just ruined their pumps ALONG with their cities. Man, I sure do pray God has got a warped sense of humor like I do or, I'm in for a world of hurt. I knows He does, He made me and, my wife finds that's funnier then heck. Don't know your experience with marriage, but if you've never been and, find your current gal to be "The One", you'll find she'll come to regard you with all manner of contempt too someday.
Why do you think God's word says, "Husbands, LOVE your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her," and "Wives, RESPECT and obey your husbands in the same way."? God is pretty sharp, men find it really easy to give respect, the love thing, we really need to work on that. Same way, women can and often do, love like they're breathing free air, it's that R-S-P-E-C-T idea they just don't get very well (hey, you plugged Obama, so that was only fair). How do I know the Holy Bible is creditable? First thing I checked on was that and, deduced if that subtlety was indicated in there, all the rest had to be true!
Allow me to answer you in this fashion where you said, "I also don't believe that homosexual parents teach homosexuality to their families, I do know that heterosexual parents have homosexual offspring.". Really? Ever see that commercial awhile back where the little boy watches his dad and then mimics his behavior? It was the "Like Father, Like Son ...". Come on V***l, I believe you to be a pretty sharp guy, kids don't exist in a vacuum. Ever hear "Watch What You Say or Later You'll Pay", little ears are listening? Yes, kids say and do the darndest things and parents provide much of that early training. Now when they hit puberty all bets are off. Heterosexual couples wake up one day to find that little Johnny wants to be little Jenny. And with homosexual and lesbian couples, I suspect it has or will go the sameway. Kids rebel against their parents, against society, against God, it is what they and just about everybody else does. What did you do to piss off your parents at 14 or 17? I know you said, "Look Ma, no Catholicism", right? If not it was something. Don't quote me on this, but even Jesus split until He was out of his teens, before He truly embraced being Savior of the World.
You said about p*******es, "they are unlikely to succeed though.", I think they once said that about gays too. We can hope though and, v**e against anybody who thinks that is a great idea. After that, it's lock and load time, for me anyway.
Now, "not saying that it's impossible to find happiness by making such a decision.", I agree V***l, sin is VERY pleasurable. I know that gays can be very happy, it's just not profitable. As in "what does a man profit if he gains the whole world, but loses his very soul". If we are just highly evolved animals, great, "no hay problema", I take my eternal dirt nap and I am no more. Now, what if I'm right? What if I'm even aware in the next world, that I could have tried harder and quite possibly helped you to make a wiser decision than going to school even, but didn't? What if I did try harder and you and I had get to have that brew in heaven! False, in heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here, I know that song too. You see every believer's dilemma I hope? We really do care, we're not being mean or judgemental, understand?
I really enjoyed your insights V***l and efforts to explain what you believe and feel. Thanks!
Oh and, tag you're it buddy!
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