Chardo, I had the dickens of a time trying to find let alone read your responses to me. If you are going to do so within my quote block please
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TheChardo wrote:
Don't hold too much hope. At 65 I am what I am. Not going to change. As a child I was told that I was Catholic, as though it was genetic. It never sunk in, I never felt it. I was sent to Sunday school and would ask questions like" how do you know....."I would drive the nuns crazy. I can still picture the apoplectic shock. LOL
Where there is life, there is always hope. Age is not a requirement, nor is it a limitation. I understand what you mean about your childhood. There is a lot of misunderstanding about Christianity. To begin with, as you rightly pointed out, one cannot be born a Christian. One is born into sin.
A child's innocence merely stems from their lack of knowledge and understanding what is right and wrong. This is why children are handled differently from adults with respect to their behavior. However, do not construe that to mean that children don't sin. They start sinning almost from the day they are born. It can be seen by their self centered demanding nature. At first it starts out innocent enough, they cry when they need something. But the moment they realize that they can affect change upon the world by manipulating others through their crying, that's when the sin nature takes over. The essence of sin is selfishness.
As for Catholicism, I'll let you in on a little secret. I don't consider Catholics Christian...not be default anyway. It is possible for Catholics to become Christian. However, there is so much apostasy and outright heresy in the Roman Catholic Church that it is anything BUT Christian. They teach many things that are in direct contradiction to the Bible. At the top of the list is the Pope being Christ's Vicar. Many of the rituals and accoutrements used by the Catholics are also not Christian. There is a religion that they do resemble, however. That religion is Mystery Babylon. With so much mis-teaching it's no wonder your nuns could not answer your questions. How can they teach what they do not know?
TheChardo wrote:
Yes perceptions are faulty but begin with something tangible. Faith is entirely made up to fill a need, a void, to explain the inexplicable.
Do they really? What are perceptions? When I look at a tree, do I really see the tree, or just a mere outline of it? Perceptions are so limited. As to their tangibility, that too is up for debate. Dark matter as a case in point, by all accounts it is intangible. We are only able to detect its presence through its gravity. We know it's there, but we cannot perceive it. It's a lot like faith. "1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
We have proven the existence of dark matter indirectly, by measuring it's effect on gravity. Through gravitational lensing we have been able to detect the presence of dark matter through viewing the collision of two galaxies. It would appear that even though the two galaxies are in the process of merging, the dark matter didn't stop with the visible matter and continued moving on their original trajectory. This created a lensing effect that was broader the the observable visible matter, thus producing evidence that dark matter is real.
Just like dark matter, the effects of faith are only indirectly observable. Faith is a real substance, and it is imperceptible to the senses. I have personally witnessed the effects of faith on several occasions. It is not made up.
Here is an example. Watch the video and make your own conclusions, but it is an example of the effects of faith. http://www.cbn.com/tv/1432634068001
TheChardo wrote:
Perhaps you do not push your faith....but if you, or anyone tells others that they must live according to your beliefs- that gay marriage is wrong and should not be allowed- because YOU believe it's wrong- is just as bad.
I do not push my faith. I speak of my faith and continue when I find a receptive audience. I don't waste my breath on those who do not have ears to ear.
As for the gay agenda, I will speak out against homosexuality, bestiality, bisexuality, t*********rism, and even promiscuous unmarried sexuality. It is all sin. In no way do I prevent a person from choosing to do so. It is their choice. Ultimately, they have to live with the ramifications of their decision. I will repeat what I said earlier, I totally oppose gay marriage as intended by the L**T movement as it infringes upon our 1st amendment right to freely practice religion. As the L**T would have it, pastors would have to forgo their religious rights in order to host and/or perform these sacrilegious marriages. If all the L**T wants is equal protection under the law, then let them have civil unions. I'm fine with that. Just leave the religious institutions alone.
TheChardo wrote:
Listen to yourself
.because they acknowledged God this is was established as a Christian nation?? That is rather insensitive to other religions based on a belief in this God. In any case I fully reject that notion. If it was intended to be a Christian nation, why is Christianity not mentioned in the Constitution? Why is there no religious test for high office. Why doesnt the first amendment give Christianity some special status.?
That they did so is not a matter of question. It is public record. Your rejection is of little consequence to this FACT. Insensitive? Not at all. In fact, that can be directly addressed through answering your other points. Why...why...why??? The answer to all three of your why's is simple. FREEDOM! They wanted everyone to be free to choose what ever faith they see fit. We already have the Roman Catholic Church with all the blood on its hands as an example of what happens when religions are granted too much authority. And we have Islam as the modern successor to that legacy of blood and carnage. Religion is a matter of personal interest, and should never become a state interest. That is how persecution starts...is starting...even here in America. It's also the reason that our government IS A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. We were never meant to be a democracy. Government should only address the common interest, not the special interest. The moment you allow for Democracy...or more accurately, mobocracy, you lose the rule of law to the rule of the majority...yet another recipe for persecution. You liberals have single handedly destroyed this nation (and thus freedom) and gratefully place the yoke around your necks and cannot see that you are now s***es.
TheChardo wrote:
NO thats not what I mean
.advocating for how you think others should live and behave and what rights they have or dont have based on your beliefs
Your answer is contradictory. You say that you're not against our sharing our beliefs, and yet you say we cannot advocate for how we think people should live their life. They're the same thing! It's like you are saying yes, no. As for what rights a person should have, I have consistently told you that I oppose any law that is purely of a religious nature. How is it that you can never seem to accept that?
TheChardo wrote:
Isnt that whats being done?
Largely, no. Has it been done in the past? Sadly, yes. Are there those who are trying to do it now? Sadly, yes. They are all wrong to do so. They demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of Christian principles. We are to live in the world, but not be a part of it's ways. We are to be a beacon of light in the darkness so that people can see our witness, and choose to follow the Lord as we have. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to change the world through coercion and force. We are told to live OUR lives, not make others live THEIR lives in accordance to scriptural teachings. Anyone who does otherwise lacks understanding.
TheChardo wrote:
In some case that is true. Thats how most societies function, unless were talking about an oligarchy or dictatorship. Gun control and health care are two current examples. You cant please all of the people
.. But we wont go there. Its off topic. However, gay rights is different. You may disagree , but its about civil rights. The rule of law applies. Equal protection under the law
..no matter how many people dont like it.
And, Its not us who are trying to force anybody to live at odds with their beliefs. You got that exactly backwards. You want to deny gay people the right to marry because you disapprove
No that is the height of arrogance. You cant turn that around on us try as you will. There is no rational reasonable argument against e******y. It will not change your life and it will not be detrimental to society. If you that you have are your religious objections, you have nothing
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I have no problem with equal protection under the law, but what the L**T want goes further than that. What they want violates 1st amendment protections. I really don't care enough who a person chooses to live their life with. That's between each other and God. But trying to force churches to allow homosexual marriages on their property, or to force a priest/pastor to perform a marriage, that is WRONG! Again, settle for civil unions, but leave the religious institutions out of it.
TheChardo wrote:
That is pure bull
..there are always religious exemptions. Its just a standard right wing talking point. I dont think that you actually believe that. If you do, research states where its legal
No, it's not bull. There are already a few examples, but there will be more.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2007/aug/07082104
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=25762
TheChardo wrote:
Civil unions dont work like marriage. We have civil unions in NJ and there are lots of problems. Aside from legal issues , the stats of marriage is being denied and thats discrimination http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/29/AR2007062902201.html and now with DOMA about to be overturned, NJ couples still wont have the federal benefits of married people.
So fix civil unions so that they work like marriages.
TheChardo wrote:
No my friend I do not see any hypocrisy on my part. To say that you are being coerced is to say that you are being forced to do something against your will
..just what is that now?
On your part, perhaps. But there is intense coercive pressure on the part of the L**T community at large. As for what coercive pressure, I've already answered that many times over.