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Aug 7, 2020 22:40:59   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
You bring up a valid point. When people talk over each other and the subject keeps getting changed and you jump from one subject to the next, questions and answers get missed. Interruptions during questioning is a conservative concept of "correct someone when they are wrong" however the concept has been long abandoned by conservatives due to the results of the Jerry Springer show where in the end the entertainment was not in finding wisdom but rather in people shouting at each other.

The conservative concept has lead to a more combative liberal technique where the conservative ends up repeating themselves and the liberal is offended at the answer that is repeated. And again either the subject is changed or the two enter combat. Either way the message is lost.

This went from conservatives to the Jerry Springer show into modern politics. Where it is not what you say but what you do and how you handle it.

One side looks for compassion while the other side looks at reason while both sides seek justice.

But t***h lies in both.
You bring up a valid point. When people talk over ... (show quote)


I have to disagree on that reasoning for this adminstration , whenever I catch
a meeting or a statement by the few in this adminstration the method is still being used. Which like you mentioned it does allow the message to be lost. And stops a conversation from being held , so if the method were to be no longer used the government might run a little better. Unfortunate that it is still being used. If it wasn't in use people will be able put aside their differences and have a decent chance of having a conversation which will proably give a stronger foundation for a better coexistence for all.
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Aug 7, 2020 20:03:08   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Thank you for posting the interviews that are the basis of this topic. And while watching the interviews I notice that there are conflicting facts being circulated.

Because of conflicting facts which facts do you place weight on? Statistics from the White House which has the resources of the Federal government or the facts from the news media? Which one is more true?

The problem here is that both statistics and facts are correct and incorrect because a comparison is being made with different criteria used. Thus, the comparison being conducted compares apples to oranges.

Thus, the press calls Trump a liar and Trump calls the press dishonest. So it just falls back to who do you believe?

From a citizen view point, federal officers sent to protect a court house is an insult. From federal officals point if view we need more help because we are being attacked and local law enforcement is doing nothing.

Do you see that in the citizens point of view the criteria is different than the federal point of view?

Same holds true with the presses numbers and the white house numbers on the p******c.

Same holds true on the Russian bounty against American troops. Therefore these issues need to be vetted.

This is where I would say to Pete, "They're putting the cart before the horse" which seems to hold true to both the president and his enemies.

Is Trump cold and callus? No I did not see that in the interview. This was shown when the reporter asked about renaming the bridge in honor of John Lewis, Trump said in many words that he would not have a problem with.that.

So to honestly, and fairly, assess the situation, I see many people on the left, not taking the time to find the common denominator and instead using prejudice and jumping to conclusions based on that prejudice. The Dems need more patience.

Now once facts and statistics come in, we as a reader of those statistics have to interpret what we are reading. We as the reader then make up our own minds.

I for one believe Trump. But that is my opinion based upon the discreditable reporting on Trump. But I for one still attempt to verify because I don't trust either the media or the government because both were discredited before. And directly that is, not indirectly like the attacks on Trump have been.

The other issue which causes great dislike for Democrats and the media is the hatred and unfair treatment of Trump. Where the sediment is he brings it upon himself.

Conservatives, or liberals, Trump supporters or anti-Trump supporters, Democrats or Republicans in today's age are all hypersensitive. Where a Democrat says Trump is unfair a republican says the attacks are unfair.

Both are right because it was unfair in the beginning that is why Trump ran to social media. So if 10% of what Trump tours as accomplishments is true and this is with half the country fighting him. Imagine what could happen if everyone Democrat or Republican started working with Trump? What could happen?

Well, we do have a statistic on that. Trump shut down the country and everyone agreed and it happened in two weeks. Imagine how fast other causes could happen if the parties would work with him what could happen. Just imagine.

I hope I answered your premise question. I hope you can understand it as I'm seeing it. There is a place in this country for both conservatives and liberals and we can live in peace together. But as far as the Marxist thinking and c*******t thinking that is unacceptable for many proven reasons. As far as r****m, Robert E Lee never wanted a statue of himself, never wanted be hailed as a hero, because the ghosts of the past would haunt future generations. He was right and that's what we got to day. Therefore my advice to all would be let it go. What has been done in the past is in the past. Let it go back to the past. R****m was defeated in the past let it die in the past. I do not live in the past, I live in the present. Quit being up the ghosts of the past.

Well this was long and necessary but this is my take on all the issues covered in the video. Enjoy.
Thank you for posting the interviews that are the ... (show quote)


You are right you have to have a base line for collecting data to allow for one to one comparison.What I heard was a common method used when you don't want the other side to be heard , the conversation was controlled by talking over statements. The question were not allowed to be completed. It would be understandable if the question were just thrown out but the change of subject was brought up. On all the question that were being asked. Now don't get me wrong some of the questions were answered.
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Aug 7, 2020 08:32:17   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Please post the interview again and I will attempt to be unbiased and let me express my view point and we can discuss our differences in view points. I can give you what you ask for and you can disagree with it all I ask is that since I'm putting my conservative views away you do the same with your liberal views and we review the matter. Are you game?


Here are two that work the third is the full interview but that doesn't connect
With provided link so I used Swan Trump interview full in the search bar good luck.

Swan Trump interview
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-cognitive-test-trump-didnt-pass-internet-reacts-to-presidents-shocking-axios-interview-2020-08-04
https://www.axios.com/trump-c****av***s-under-control-5f114a16-9952-428c-bc07-3cfa360b0977.html

Watch "AXIOS on HBO: President Trump Exclusive Interview (Full Episode) | HBO" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/zaaTZk
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Aug 6, 2020 08:41:46   #
Marty 2020 wrote:
Maybe, what it shows is an air of superiority, Obama believed that he was superior to the military people who served under his office. Returning the salute is showing respect. The reverse is true. Kneeling for the anthem is showing disrespect in the same way.
When you are president, you’ll probably not have any respect for the military either, just like your hero Obama.


Actually I'm a vet and I have all the respect for those people who have the nerve and the belief in a duty to serve a great country that allows people to have their own opinions. Like I said in the previous entry it is also considered a courtesy to acknowledge the salute , when the regulation states that a civilian or a senior presence doesn't return the salute while in civilian attire ,it holds for active members in the services also. Being that any person who has been selected to serve in the office of the president ,unless they were military to start with is a civilian.
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Aug 4, 2020 07:59:37   #
Digger47 wrote:
You need to back off there bucko, I remember the Brown case and Obama siding with the criminal over law enforcement, I remember the General being k**led and when his body was returned to the U.S. your president was golfing. I also remember very well the fact that whenever your president entered or exited air force one or marine one he never saluted the service members who saluted him. So put your hatred aside and admit the t***h otherwise STFU,, BUCKO!!


Actually, no regulation specifies that the president should salute (or return the salute of) military personnel. In fact, U.S. Army regulations, for example, state that neither civilians nor those wearing civilian attire (both of which describe the U.S. president) are required to render salutes. The regulation states:

“The President of the United States, as the commander in chief, will be saluted by Army personnel in uniform.

“Civilian personnel, to include civilian guards, are not required to render the hand salute to military personnel or other civilian personnel.

“Salutes are not required to be rendered or returned when the senior or subordinate, or both are in civilian attire.”

This same regulation is pretty much accepted throughout the miltary. It can be acknowledged but he is not required to return the salute. Reagan asked the commandant to clarify that is what he was told. It is considered a courtesy in civilian clothes. Like with every other person it can be ignored.
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Aug 1, 2020 23:35:39   #
Capt-jack wrote:
A Man named Harold; and a president named Barack.


This summarizes how most liberals view the US military:

Harold was a bright child. He grew up in America. He went to school and had a bright future ahead of him. Harold was full of life but was cut short in a violent moment. While few people had ever heard of Harold before his death, many did afterward And in death, something very shocking happened. What was so shocking, especially when it is compared to the death of someone else recently in the news?

Harold was Harold Greene, Major General, United States Army. On Aug. 5, 2014, Major General Greene was k**led by a Taliban terrorist.

He was returned to America with full military honors.

It has been a tradition that the president attends the funeral of General and F**g officers k**led in the line of duty.

Richard Nixon attended the funeral of a Major General Casey k**led in Vietnam and George W. Bush attended the funeral of Lieutenant General Timothy Maude, who was k**led in the 9/11 attacks.

While Major General Greene was buried, Barack Obama was golfing. The Vice President wasn't there either. Neither was the Secretary of Defense. F**gs were not even lowered half-mast.
Four days after Harold Greene gave his life for America, Michael Brown Was k**led in Ferguson, Missouri.
Brown was at best a young thug. In the minutes before his death, he committed a robbery at a local convenience store. According to other reports, Brown struck Officer Darren Wilson and shattered his orbital bone. Obama sent a three-person delegation to Brown's funeral!

Neither Obama nor Biden would attend the funeral of the highest-ranking military officer k**led in the line of duty since 9/11, yet he sent a delegation to the funeral of a thug.

When Margaret Thatcher, one of America's staunchest allies and Ronald Reagan's partner in bringing down Soviet c*******m died, Obama sent only a small low-level delegation to her funeral. The snub was not missed by the British.

When Chris Kyle, the most lethal American sniper in history was murdered, there was no expression of sympathy from the White House.

But when Whitney Houston died from a drug overdose, the Obama/Biden administration ordered all f**gs be flown at half-mast.

There was no White House delegation at the funeral of an American hero. American heroes die and Obama goes to the golf course.

A thug dies and he gets a White House delegation.

No wonder most "REAL" Americans hold Obama in such contempt, especially members of our Military.

And Biden is now expounding on how great the Obama/Biden Administration was.

Are these the kind of people you want to lead your country?

Stand up for the "Harolds" in America.
A Man named Harold; and a president named Barack... (show quote)


Sorry my pad didn't show my response this would have repeated it. I was also wrong about Bush And Maude.
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Aug 1, 2020 13:26:37   #
Capt-jack wrote:
A Man named Harold; and a president named Barack.


This summarizes how most liberals view the US military:

Harold was a bright child. He grew up in America. He went to school and had a bright future ahead of him. Harold was full of life but was cut short in a violent moment. While few people had ever heard of Harold before his death, many did afterward And in death, something very shocking happened. What was so shocking, especially when it is compared to the death of someone else recently in the news?

Harold was Harold Greene, Major General, United States Army. On Aug. 5, 2014, Major General Greene was k**led by a Taliban terrorist.

He was returned to America with full military honors.

It has been a tradition that the president attends the funeral of General and F**g officers k**led in the line of duty.

Richard Nixon attended the funeral of a Major General Casey k**led in Vietnam and George W. Bush attended the funeral of Lieutenant General Timothy Maude, who was k**led in the 9/11 attacks.

While Major General Greene was buried, Barack Obama was golfing. The Vice President wasn't there either. Neither was the Secretary of Defense. F**gs were not even lowered half-mast.
Four days after Harold Greene gave his life for America, Michael Brown Was k**led in Ferguson, Missouri.
Brown was at best a young thug. In the minutes before his death, he committed a robbery at a local convenience store. According to other reports, Brown struck Officer Darren Wilson and shattered his orbital bone. Obama sent a three-person delegation to Brown's funeral!

Neither Obama nor Biden would attend the funeral of the highest-ranking military officer k**led in the line of duty since 9/11, yet he sent a delegation to the funeral of a thug.

When Margaret Thatcher, one of America's staunchest allies and Ronald Reagan's partner in bringing down Soviet c*******m died, Obama sent only a small low-level delegation to her funeral. The snub was not missed by the British.

When Chris Kyle, the most lethal American sniper in history was murdered, there was no expression of sympathy from the White House.

But when Whitney Houston died from a drug overdose, the Obama/Biden administration ordered all f**gs be flown at half-mast.

There was no White House delegation at the funeral of an American hero. American heroes die and Obama goes to the golf course.

A thug dies and he gets a White House delegation.

No wonder most "REAL" Americans hold Obama in such contempt, especially members of our Military.

And Biden is now expounding on how great the Obama/Biden Administration was.

Are these the kind of people you want to lead your country?

Stand up for the "Harolds" in America.
A Man named Harold; and a president named Barack... (show quote)


Richard Nixon attended the funeral of a Major General Casey k**led in Vietnam and George W. Bush attended the funeral of Lieutenant General Timothy Maude, who was k**led in the 9/11 attacks.

As per Nixon's daries he didn't attend. While Bush did attend Maude.
This is what I used to find the entries
Nixon dairies July 23 1970

While Major General Greene was buried, Barack Obama was golfing. The Vice President wasn't there either. Neither was the Secretary of Defense. F**gs were not even lowered half-mast.

As per stars and stripes the Secretary of Defense did attend.
https://www.stripes.com/maj-gen-harold-greene-receives-full-burial-honors-at-arlington-1.298353

Harold was Harold Greene, Major General, United States Army. On Aug. 5, 2014, Major General Greene was k**led by a Taliban terrorist.

According to army times there was no association to the taliban
https://www.armytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2014/12/04/report-general-s-k**ler-fired-30-rounds/

When Margaret Thatcher, one of America's staunchest allies and Ronald Reagan's partner in bringing down Soviet c*******m died, Obama sent only a small low-level delegation to her funeral. The snub was not missed by the British.

No arguement here he did send the two who worked with her most. George Shultz and Jim Baker.
This is an opinion https://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2013/04/08/how-us-presidents-talked-about/

When Chris Kyle, the most lethal American sniper in history was murdered, there was no expression of sympathy from the White House.

Again no arguement as f**g at half mast, it wasn't approved by Governor Perry even through people wanted it to happen.
https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20130428/NEWS/801253755

But when Whitney Houston died from a drug overdose, the Obama/Biden administration ordered all f**gs be flown at half-mast.

Nope Obama didn't order the f**g half mast , but it was done at state level.
https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20130428/NEWS/801253755
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015/jul/22/half-t***hs-white-house-half-staff-f**g-controvers/
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Jul 28, 2020 00:20:55   #
Navigator wrote:
What you said is the arrival of the feds and their actions resulted in an increase in the number and violence of incidents so the feds should never have showed up. It is the height of absurdity to imagine enforcement action by a higher authority to stop the actions of criminals should not be attempted b/c those criminals have been given the green light by corrupt local politicians to engage in their criminal activity and the criminals will react violently when legitimate authorities move in to disrupt their cozy, corrupt arrangement.
What you said is the arrival of the feds and their... (show quote)


Yeah that is what happened the numbers were holding steady until the 7/4 then the numbers and criminal activity increased and the type of persons there changed with the reports of rifles being reported. When I mentioned 6/7 that is when it stopped being pacifism , using crowd controls as a response may have been over the top for being hit with animal seed. Even through on 6/13 the first dispersal order the attacks were still property. On 6/20 the attacks started on officers. At this time response had to include protection.
What I was pointing at is that with the increase level of hostility the response had to increase also. With the increase of response so does the responsibility of ensuring procedures are followed. So back to the report of person being snatched this is one reason why procedure must be followed,the situration
changes when the circumstances can be spun in negative way.
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Jul 26, 2020 23:56:15   #
Navigator wrote:
I hope your realize the fallacy of your argument as it is akin to claiming the N**is combat energy increased during WWII when the US declared war and began to attack their assets. While that is absolutely true it was certainly no argument against declaring war on and attacking N**is just as it is not a valid argument to decry the deployment of federal law enforcement to protect federal assets the locals refused to protect just because the anarchists intensified their efforts when the feds showed up.
I hope your realize the fallacy of your argument a... (show quote)


When have I said that federal shouldn't protect federal property? What I have said is that it had to be done correctly inaccordance to the laws that are present. If the reports are correct then rights are being ignored. Ether way the message is being lost in mess that is portland. I'll say again its very possible that the presence of the fed is going to increase the problem not slow it down.
That is why procedure has to be followed to ensure that there is no possible way the reaction can be spun.
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Jul 26, 2020 22:40:36   #
Navigator wrote:
I hope your realize the fallacy of your argument as it is akin to claiming the N**is combat energy increased during WWII when the US declared war and began to attack their assets. While that is absolutely true it was certainly no argument against declaring war on and attacking N**is just as it is not a valid argument to decry the deployment of federal law enforcement to protect federal assets the locals refused to protect just because the anarchists intensified their efforts when the feds showed up.
I hope your realize the fallacy of your argument a... (show quote)
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Jul 26, 2020 00:51:57   #
Navigator wrote:
You are partially on the beam. Federal agents are not in Portland to effectuate arrests under state law as there are plenty of federal laws being violated by the r****rs. Federal agents have no requirement to hand over anyone they arrest to a peace officer, example the FBI arresting someone for bank fraud or the secret service arresting someone for counterfeiting, as they themselves have arrest and detaining powers under federal law. As far as the magistrate, that would be a federal judge with charges determined by the US attorneys office.
You are partially on the beam. Federal agents are... (show quote)



You are right they are there for federal law breaking. As I mentioned earlier on the reported calming down and the dropping of attendance. So it is pretty interesting that before the fed showed up the crimes were lower then after they showed the type of crimes went up instead of going down. The first entry DHS entered on 5/29 with a broken window and mostly graffiti until 6/6 the larger damage started it still consisted of property damage. On 6/7 that was when the first control methods were used all that was being thrown was animal seed. On 6/13 the first dispersal order was given but the attacks were still property damage. On 6/20 this was the first physical attack on officers. On 7/2 the second dispersal order was given and the crowd ignored it and this is the second time officers were attacked. (Federal Protective Services) FPS Officers were required to use crowd control measures. On 7/3 the court house was fire bombed and the Federal Officers put the fire out. The numbers were steady between 200 to 400 people. On 7/4 the numbers jumped to a 1000 and according to the reports the type of people changed now it was noticed that rifles were being carried. After 7/5 the attacks on officers increased as did the damage. More weapons were found with a higher deadly result if used. At this point the numbers of people began to vary again. Based on the reports the people can no longer be considered peaceful. The reasoning for sending in the fed was to control and contain the problems, But DHS own time line shows that it is not working.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland
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Jul 25, 2020 13:26:06   #
Navigator wrote:
Federal agents, according to federal law, are NOT required to restrict themselves to the property they are protecting but are authorized to move any where in the vicinity, not only to pursue those who have damaged federal property or prevent those who appear to be preparing to do so but to ENFORCE ANY FEDERAL LAW THAT APPEARS TO BE BEING VIOLATED ANY WHERE IN THAT CITY. Remember, many federal agents are already in most American cities (FBI, DEA, FPS, Secret Service, HHS, Marshals, etc.), they are legally authorized to the there and absolutely do not need the permission of locals. What the President is doing is merely supplementing the federal presence already there. BTW, it doesn't matter what the Navy vet was asking the officers, he was repeatedly asked to move on and refused to do so, hence the encouragement of the batons and gas. He reminds me of the three year old who is told to take the nail out of the electric outlet and instead of doing so replies "...but I am only..." - ZAP.
Federal agents, according to federal law, are NOT ... (show quote)


The reasoning of Oregon is that there are requirements that should be followed;
As per Oregon revised statutes 133.245 a federal officer can arrest a person but under certain conditions if the the crime is committed in front of the federal officers, and proable cause . However the federal officers shall inform the person the authority and reason for the arrest. Under this section without unnecessary delay place the person before a magistrate or hand them over to a peace officer.
In other words, federal law enforcement officers in Portland could have the legal authority to arrest individuals when they have probable cause for violations of federal or state law—but in the latter case, there are statutory notice and t***sfer requirements that, if media reports are accurate, are not being honored. But the Oregon statute also requires state certification that federal officers have received proper training before effectuating arrests under state law before such arrests can happen.
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Jul 24, 2020 08:57:47   #
Navigator wrote:
In a free country you not only have the freedom to think what you want, you also have the complete freedom to chase down the t***h of something you have heard or seen. A person posting a claim that federal agents released innocent people who were wrongly apprehended doesn't mean that actually happened. The only information I could find was dozens or people arrested by Portland police, not the feds, early in the protest were released, not b/c they were innocent but b/c the local DA directed them to be released. Even if it did happen, nothing burger; sometimes the wrong people are arrested and are released when the error is discovered. What is NOT happening in Portland as a common practice is people being arrested who have done nothing wrong who were merely strolling down the street. What IS happening in Portland is a r**t with r****rs destroying property and assaulting police and innocent civilians. What IS happening in Portland is local politicians allowing the r**ting to go on and instructing local police not to "interfere" with the r**ting. What IS happening in Portland is the deployment of federal police to protect federal property (read that YOUR property) from r****rs attempting to destroy said property that is not being protected by the locals. So go ahead, feel free to not believe your lying eyes about what is going on in Portland and instead believe MSM propaganda. Be assured, however, that the mob will one day come for you, no matter how woke you believe yourself to be.
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Because woke yep a saying that everyone has a tendency to claim that you have to be. Now answer me this your infomation is coming from where?
Possible answer media facebook,beitbart,MSM, youtube and fellow members of the group you belong to. Because the Internet, if you are not in the area that is all you have to go on. Everyone it does not matter from which belief system you are going to get the story in accordance to what that persons view is.The main claim of the amount of people who own the media have total control of what is being seen or reported. I have a daughter in the area she even sent pictures of the action and areas. Yes the Fed is there to protect federal property that is all they are required from the state. Since the fed were not requested to come and also have been requested to leave. They are not allowed to leave that property. So if the reports are true they have already broken the law. Yeah the locals as reported by some to have lost control while others have claimed that the locals were allowing peaceful assembly. It was also reported that the bs had calmed down until the fed showed up.

Example the video of the vet that has gone around he was gassed and hit with batons. All he was saying was remember your oath. Now that claim can be taken two ways out and out lie to make the view that the fed or police are out of control, or the possibility that federal or police are actually are out of control.

It sounds like I am not taking a side because I don't believe in sides.What I do believe is that this country and the people have rights as I have repeatedly stated if the reports about the snatch and grabs are true someone is out of control.
Be them the protesters, authorities or those who just want to take advantage
of the situration. Rights be you a crook or an innocent are for everyone.
If you make a decision to break the law you should suffer the results of that decision.
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Jul 23, 2020 03:41:26   #
1alpha7 wrote:
Seth answered your comment earlier!
Quote: "What these r****rs are doing goes well beyond "peaceful demonstrations," more in the realm of i**********n and straight-up terrorism..."
While just walking down the streets they destroy businesses of innocent shop owners!
Apparently, you want freedom for chaos, i**********n, and terrorism... You're implying that they have Rights to abuse others, but we don't have Rights to have arrest them surprisingly.
If you're a Democrat, terrorist, or criminal, your comment would be expected of you.
Seth answered your comment earlier! br Quote: &quo... (show quote)


What is happening according to all of the difinitions is terrorism;

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Why camouf**ge uniforms in a city or small town?
Could the uniforms being used by the government a means for intimidation?
Unlabeled names for protection ok. Department or agency labels missing?
Would you allow yourself be detained by unknowns?
Especially since the same uniforms and labels can be bought by anyone with the funds.

Example you have to get somewhere the path you normally use is right through the middle the whole thing. So you do the common sense thing to avoid the area but you still get picked up what would you do?

All crooks and innocents do have rights in accordance to due process.
While buildings do not, I am not saying that destroying public and federal building or injuring others should go unpunished.

camouf**ge
https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-kind-of-bullsht-is-this-retired-general-who-led-katrina-response-goes-off-on-trump-administrations-militarized-crackdown-in-portland/
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Jul 23, 2020 02:55:50   #
Navigator wrote:
You are completely braindead, have a terminal case of TDS or are so weak minded as to be brainwashed by the f**e MSM if you believe people are being arrested for simply walking down the street. People being arrested who appear to be "just walking down the street" at the time of the arrest are either walking away from something they have just done or are known suspects for whom the police have been searching.


"I understand the few innocents who have been detained by mistake were only held for an hour or two and released with apologies. "
This is a qoute from an early answer in this thread.

Now if I follow what you wrote then the people or persons that are being picked up because what happened earlier in the area. So if the case according to the qoute then those detained are being released because of a mistake what do you think is going to happen when those who are released when their story is told.
That is why a proper procedure as the detaining agent is to stop the person or persons and then have someone Id them or produce some reason why the person was stopped, not just grab them and put them in the vechicle. Then when loaded head to where ever the police station or detaining area. Now it is a normal habit when you are questioned that you as person will give a reason and include only what is needed so as you will not be on the wrong side of the situration. There it leads to misleading infomation from all sources. One side is saying this the other is saying that.

Just a suggestion remember these two items;

It be said that when comments are turned into person attacks that maybe it is the only thing you have.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller

It is a free country you can think what you want.
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