I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are good enough friends that we can mess with each other about opposing views and still remain friends. I recently started asking them to set aside the FOX news rhetorical positions and tell me what they really think. My query is about setting aside collusion, it's pretty clear that even if Russia was involved in tampering with the e******n the right says so what, it didn't affect the e******n so who cares?

So, let's say Trump has dirty hands on selling his condos as a means of money laundering. Let's say the evidence clearly points to any combination of tax fraud (I know, how can you prove he intended to file fraudulent claims?), he could have made a mistake. How was he supposed to know that the reason condos were being purchased at inflated prices and sold at losses?

So the question is, and be honest not rhetorically RW obtuse, Admit that you have to know that Trump played loose with Russians and money laundering. That said you don't care, you are damn glad Hillary wasn't elected because she was far worse. So if you can admit that common sense will tell you that Trump played loose with the law and knew he was working with Russians to launder money on a large scale, this honest admission leads us to other realities...

If he was guilty of money laundering, and Mueller has documents and evidence proving it, he deserves to go to jail. Nobody including the president can be allowed to get away with breaking the law.

Another big denial right now is whether Trump and his family members tried to make loans happen that might not have had Trump not been president. The right is giving Trump a free pass on deals, either loans, purchases of property at inflated rates, deals and permits on hotels, etc.

The question being, do you really think it is okay for Trump or family to use positions of government power to make countries feel like they should approve hotels and even provide the funding for them, is that okay? Answer that honestly and then look at whether that has been happening or not.

So far the right responds to anything and everything with the automatic answer that this is all f**e news made up by the left. Well, when the evidence is there, those involved with Trump start pleading guilty to their own charges of money laundering and long term involvements with Russia and Russian money, do you have the ability to see that when those around a person are involved it is very likely that the others in the circle are doing the same things.

The stage has been set very arduously to discount everything Mueller comes up with. You need to keep in mind that Trump was being investigated by the FBI long before he decided to run for e******n. Yes, we had an idea, and apparently the right didn't pay attention. If evidence is proven to show that Trump did anything that he can be charged with, he does not get a retroactive free pass for crimes.

More to the point, if he is impeached based on clear evidence, the right has no business objecting and trying to keep a criminal in office. Trump ran on the idea of cleaning the swamp, and any criminal needs to be removed including Trump. His lesser crimes than what Hillary did are no better.

Kansas, the experiment was supposed to show how effective tax cuts could be, how many jobs would be created, it was a dismal failure...

...meanwhile the state that was asked to participate and adopt the same policies refused to, went the other way, and proceeded to put on jobs and have a robust economy.

These right and left experiments can be used as the definitive proof of how lowering taxes works in reality, and the GOP adopted the failure for the whole country.

Clinton raised taxes and we saw how that worked, 25 million jobs and a balanced budget that actually had a surplus. Bush lowered them again and trashed the economy, not to mention losing the 25 million jobs Clinton put on.

The GOP will never use past history and examples to guide a future of success, the examples are there. The highest tax periods in out history were the ones that created robust recovery and growth.

Actually McCabe is now free to openly talk about his part in terms of knowledge about Comey's firing, the part where it's obstruction? Trump had him maintaining a low profile so that his retirement wasn't jeopardized and shot that out the window. This was a Trump pressured move that was 100% unnecessary.

Good one Trump.

In answer to the heading...
It was when Obama was elected, the right went bats**t crazy...

Deep state, was that when Comey interfered with the e******n and announced that email investigations were to open once again, right before the e******n?

You would rather have healthcare from a corporation that denies those with pre existing conditions, caps the max amount they will spend, and wants $6000 in copays before they pay for anything. Oh, you'd be a republican.

Freedom from what, healthcare?

I'll tell you what I don't get, is why it's okay to give someone like Warren Buffet an extra $29 Billion dollars more than what he would have made if his tax bill wasn't decreased.

That little drop in the token bucket going to some workers here and there? It's a tiny fraction of what corporations get, and their savings will mostly go toward stock buybacks. This might cause an increase in their stock prices, but when an adjustment hits, anything the little stock owners got there disappears when prices drop. Meanwhile the corporation owns more of it's own stock so they really don't care.

I have used the model of military hospitals and the way they operate as an example of why no for profit hospital can touch the government model. The same thing holds true with every for profit, or privatized entity such as prisons. Profit is the k**ler, no private company doesn't want to make profit for it's investors. No board of directors wants to work for reasonable amounts of salary. Bonuses are the rule for profit margin performance, which can be best hit by spending less money doing the job at hand.

Prisons owned by corporations cost staggering amounts of money compared to what a federally operated prison costs. Guards cost what, $60,000+/- each? My guess is private prisons pay less than the average of federal employees. Even county and state prisons charge the federal government for subsidies to run prisons. Costs are inflated and represented to be higher than they really are, and these costs to run a state or county prison then become the model that is used to figure out a cost per prisoner that the government pays these private prisons. Or the cost deemed necessary to incarcerate a prisoner becomes what the county facilities want for their prisoners.

Most privatized corporations servicing what should be a government run entity have staggeringly high profit margins, they do not come anywhere close to the 30% threshold needed by a business to run. Corporations can pay huge salaries to boards of directors and consultants, and those are expenses that figure in as operating costs that government entities do not have.

That vilified government entity known as entitlements such as social security, medicare, medicaid? They all operate with administration costs somewhere around 11%. You will not be able to find a hospital or healthcare insurance company that operates with administration costs much under 50%. It's because of administrators that make hundreds of thousands to millions more a year than their government equivalents make. The government has no need for ludicrously priced consultants such as a hospital's board of directors where the chairman is a surgeon who makes a couple of million a year.

No private for profit hospital can operate at as low a cost as a government hospital staffed with government paid employees.

Privatizing social security, what could go wrong with that? Funds handled by fund managers and being in the stock market would mean there would be nothing left in a repeat of 2007/2008. The government operates far more cost effectively than any private sector, and the idea that the government run as a business makes sense is ridiculous, unless of course you want to implement the audit and accountability any normal corporation would, something that government seems to have a phobia about.

I have noticed that almost every mass shooting has a h**eful bigot who has mental health issues.

The only exception I can think of is Scalise and I never did figure out what his deal was except being unhinged.

Attacks on a******n clinics, right wingers, mosques being vandalized, not left wing

At least the ones he hasn't appointed.

Can't argue with what he said about the mind numbing incompetence.

The Donald buys f**e jewelry, he's a fan of cubic Zirconia, looks just like the real thing, in fact better.

Besides, Melania is all done with Trump, he's probably already signed an agreement to pay her hugely when he's no longer president and she can get a divorce. She's being paid handsomely to stay with him.

Is this all you do Papa? Trolling looks a bit different than what you are constantly calling out, it looks sort of like "troll alert, troll alert, troll alert....."

The guy was reporting a fact that's in the news, in fact the attorney insists he paid this money to Trump's porn star girlfriend out of his own money. Yeah right, and the right wing will have no problem believing that one, because hey, why would the guy lie about a thing like that.

Just in time too, right before the GOP throws him under the bus for the security nightmare he's facing with staff that can't pass their security clearances. In any other space and time any person who is denied a clearance for causes discovered by the FBI cannot see the top levels of intelligence the president can. These are some of the highest and hardest to get levels of security clearance there is. If you can't cut the grade you can't have access.

And the GOP had their panties in such a turmoil over Hillary having lower lever documents on her unsecured server. By the way, exactly what Gowdy and others have been found to be doing.

This is a GOP security breach nightmare unfolding, investigations are going to want to know how classified information is being handled (or mishandled). Nunes already has taken top secret information he requested from the FBI, and taken it right to the white house. The reason the information was top secret was that the FBI didn't want to let the white house see anything to do with the Russia investigation, not to mention Nunes was supposed to have been recused from having anything to do with that himself.

Republicans made a huge deal out of Hillary's email security breach scandal. What this administration has been doing makes that look like she farted while looking at a classified document. Because republicans made such a huge deal about it it puts anything this administration did under that degree of equivalency, everything that's worse than what Hillary did will look that much worse.

We are going to be hearing a lot of "but look what Hillary did that she got away with" defense. Lol

You can't go after Hillary for security breaches and then let anyone have access to the very most sensitive things if they can't even get a clearance. Kelly was a frigging general, he knows what security clearances are all about, he's dealt with them all his life.

Fact makes him a troll?

Are you of the belief that Trump is an honest t***h teller? I was just discussing this with my right wing neighbor, and he had to laugh when I asked him if Trump ever told the t***h about anything. He observed that Trump had an interesting perspective on facts, that he obviously thinks that if he says something that should be the facts.