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Mar 18, 2018 16:19:52   #
woodguru
 
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are good enough friends that we can mess with each other about opposing views and still remain friends. I recently started asking them to set aside the FOX news rhetorical positions and tell me what they really think. My query is about setting aside collusion, it's pretty clear that even if Russia was involved in tampering with the e******n the right says so what, it didn't affect the e******n so who cares?

So, let's say Trump has dirty hands on selling his condos as a means of money laundering. Let's say the evidence clearly points to any combination of tax fraud (I know, how can you prove he intended to file fraudulent claims?), he could have made a mistake. How was he supposed to know that the reason condos were being purchased at inflated prices and sold at losses?

So the question is, and be honest not rhetorically RW obtuse, Admit that you have to know that Trump played loose with Russians and money laundering. That said you don't care, you are damn glad Hillary wasn't elected because she was far worse. So if you can admit that common sense will tell you that Trump played loose with the law and knew he was working with Russians to launder money on a large scale, this honest admission leads us to other realities...

If he was guilty of money laundering, and Mueller has documents and evidence proving it, he deserves to go to jail. Nobody including the president can be allowed to get away with breaking the law.

Another big denial right now is whether Trump and his family members tried to make loans happen that might not have had Trump not been president. The right is giving Trump a free pass on deals, either loans, purchases of property at inflated rates, deals and permits on hotels, etc.

The question being, do you really think it is okay for Trump or family to use positions of government power to make countries feel like they should approve hotels and even provide the funding for them, is that okay? Answer that honestly and then look at whether that has been happening or not.

So far the right responds to anything and everything with the automatic answer that this is all f**e news made up by the left. Well, when the evidence is there, those involved with Trump start pleading guilty to their own charges of money laundering and long term involvements with Russia and Russian money, do you have the ability to see that when those around a person are involved it is very likely that the others in the circle are doing the same things.

The stage has been set very arduously to discount everything Mueller comes up with. You need to keep in mind that Trump was being investigated by the FBI long before he decided to run for e******n. Yes, we had an idea, and apparently the right didn't pay attention. If evidence is proven to show that Trump did anything that he can be charged with, he does not get a retroactive free pass for crimes.

More to the point, if he is impeached based on clear evidence, the right has no business objecting and trying to keep a criminal in office. Trump ran on the idea of cleaning the swamp, and any criminal needs to be removed including Trump. His lesser crimes than what Hillary did are no better.

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Mar 18, 2018 16:41:13   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
woodguru wrote:
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are good enough friends that we can mess with each other about opposing views and still remain friends. I recently started asking them to set aside the FOX news rhetorical positions and tell me what they really think. My query is about setting aside collusion, it's pretty clear that even if Russia was involved in tampering with the e******n the right says so what, it didn't affect the e******n so who cares?

So, let's say Trump has dirty hands on selling his condos as a means of money laundering. Let's say the evidence clearly points to any combination of tax fraud (I know, how can you prove he intended to file fraudulent claims?), he could have made a mistake. How was he supposed to know that the reason condos were being purchased at inflated prices and sold at losses?

So the question is, and be honest not rhetorically RW obtuse, Admit that you have to know that Trump played loose with Russians and money laundering. That said you don't care, you are damn glad Hillary wasn't elected because she was far worse. So if you can admit that common sense will tell you that Trump played loose with the law and knew he was working with Russians to launder money on a large scale, this honest admission leads us to other realities...

If he was guilty of money laundering, and Mueller has documents and evidence proving it, he deserves to go to jail. Nobody including the president can be allowed to get away with breaking the law.

Another big denial right now is whether Trump and his family members tried to make loans happen that might not have had Trump not been president. The right is giving Trump a free pass on deals, either loans, purchases of property at inflated rates, deals and permits on hotels, etc.

The question being, do you really think it is okay for Trump or family to use positions of government power to make countries feel like they should approve hotels and even provide the funding for them, is that okay? Answer that honestly and then look at whether that has been happening or not.

So far the right responds to anything and everything with the automatic answer that this is all f**e news made up by the left. Well, when the evidence is there, those involved with Trump start pleading guilty to their own charges of money laundering and long term involvements with Russia and Russian money, do you have the ability to see that when those around a person are involved it is very likely that the others in the circle are doing the same things.

The stage has been set very arduously to discount everything Mueller comes up with. You need to keep in mind that Trump was being investigated by the FBI long before he decided to run for e******n. Yes, we had an idea, and apparently the right didn't pay attention. If evidence is proven to show that Trump did anything that he can be charged with, he does not get a retroactive free pass for crimes.

More to the point, if he is impeached based on clear evidence, the right has no business objecting and trying to keep a criminal in office. Trump ran on the idea of cleaning the swamp, and any criminal needs to be removed including Trump. His lesser crimes than what Hillary did are no better.
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are goo... (show quote)



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Mar 18, 2018 17:15:03   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Outstanding post, sir. As they say....'Let the chips fall where they may.'

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Mar 18, 2018 17:21:27   #
phenry
 
woodguru wrote:
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are good enough friends that we can mess with each other about opposing views and still remain friends. I recently started asking them to set aside the FOX news rhetorical positions and tell me what they really think. My query is about setting aside collusion, it's pretty clear that even if Russia was involved in tampering with the e******n the right says so what, it didn't affect the e******n so who cares?

So, let's say Trump has dirty hands on selling his condos as a means of money laundering. Let's say the evidence clearly points to any combination of tax fraud (I know, how can you prove he intended to file fraudulent claims?), he could have made a mistake. How was he supposed to know that the reason condos were being purchased at inflated prices and sold at losses?

So the question is, and be honest not rhetorically RW obtuse, Admit that you have to know that Trump played loose with Russians and money laundering. That said you don't care, you are damn glad Hillary wasn't elected because she was far worse. So if you can admit that common sense will tell you that Trump played loose with the law and knew he was working with Russians to launder money on a large scale, this honest admission leads us to other realities...

If he was guilty of money laundering, and Mueller has documents and evidence proving it, he deserves to go to jail. Nobody including the president can be allowed to get away with breaking the law.

Another big denial right now is whether Trump and his family members tried to make loans happen that might not have had Trump not been president. The right is giving Trump a free pass on deals, either loans, purchases of property at inflated rates, deals and permits on hotels, etc.

The question being, do you really think it is okay for Trump or family to use positions of government power to make countries feel like they should approve hotels and even provide the funding for them, is that okay? Answer that honestly and then look at whether that has been happening or not.

So far the right responds to anything and everything with the automatic answer that this is all f**e news made up by the left. Well, when the evidence is there, those involved with Trump start pleading guilty to their own charges of money laundering and long term involvements with Russia and Russian money, do you have the ability to see that when those around a person are involved it is very likely that the others in the circle are doing the same things.

The stage has been set very arduously to discount everything Mueller comes up with. You need to keep in mind that Trump was being investigated by the FBI long before he decided to run for e******n. Yes, we had an idea, and apparently the right didn't pay attention. If evidence is proven to show that Trump did anything that he can be charged with, he does not get a retroactive free pass for crimes.

More to the point, if he is impeached based on clear evidence, the right has no business objecting and trying to keep a criminal in office. Trump ran on the idea of cleaning the swamp, and any criminal needs to be removed including Trump. His lesser crimes than what Hillary did are no better.
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are goo... (show quote)


Let’s say you are full of s**t and so is your post,let’s say that.

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Mar 18, 2018 17:48:50   #
Chocura750
 
It is unfortunate that Flynn, Papadopoulos and Gates pleaded guilty because that shows that Mueller is making progress. It seems that President is getting more nervous as the investigation goes on.

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Mar 18, 2018 17:54:42   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are good enough friends that we can mess with each other about opposing views and still remain friends. I recently started asking them to set aside the FOX news rhetorical positions and tell me what they really think. My query is about setting aside collusion, it's pretty clear that even if Russia was involved in tampering with the e******n the right says so what, it didn't affect the e******n so who cares?

So, let's say Trump has dirty hands on selling his condos as a means of money laundering. Let's say the evidence clearly points to any combination of tax fraud (I know, how can you prove he intended to file fraudulent claims?), he could have made a mistake. How was he supposed to know that the reason condos were being purchased at inflated prices and sold at losses?

So the question is, and be honest not rhetorically RW obtuse, Admit that you have to know that Trump played loose with Russians and money laundering. That said you don't care, you are damn glad Hillary wasn't elected because she was far worse. So if you can admit that common sense will tell you that Trump played loose with the law and knew he was working with Russians to launder money on a large scale, this honest admission leads us to other realities...

If he was guilty of money laundering, and Mueller has documents and evidence proving it, he deserves to go to jail. Nobody including the president can be allowed to get away with breaking the law.

Another big denial right now is whether Trump and his family members tried to make loans happen that might not have had Trump not been president. The right is giving Trump a free pass on deals, either loans, purchases of property at inflated rates, deals and permits on hotels, etc.

The question being, do you really think it is okay for Trump or family to use positions of government power to make countries feel like they should approve hotels and even provide the funding for them, is that okay? Answer that honestly and then look at whether that has been happening or not.

So far the right responds to anything and everything with the automatic answer that this is all f**e news made up by the left. Well, when the evidence is there, those involved with Trump start pleading guilty to their own charges of money laundering and long term involvements with Russia and Russian money, do you have the ability to see that when those around a person are involved it is very likely that the others in the circle are doing the same things.

The stage has been set very arduously to discount everything Mueller comes up with. You need to keep in mind that Trump was being investigated by the FBI long before he decided to run for e******n. Yes, we had an idea, and apparently the right didn't pay attention. If evidence is proven to show that Trump did anything that he can be charged with, he does not get a retroactive free pass for crimes.

More to the point, if he is impeached based on clear evidence, the right has no business objecting and trying to keep a criminal in office. Trump ran on the idea of cleaning the swamp, and any criminal needs to be removed including Trump. His lesser crimes than what Hillary did are no better.
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are goo... (show quote)


You need to talk to Muller since you seem to have the inside scoop.That is if you have proof or just talking through your ass.Muller just can't seem to find the t***h as you tell it,of course none of clintons lawyers with muller can find anything.

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Mar 18, 2018 17:59:42   #
vernon
 
Chocura750 wrote:
It is unfortunate that Flynn, Papadopoulos and Gates pleaded guilty because that shows that Mueller is making progress. It seems that President is getting more nervous as the investigation goes on.



Flynn has with drawn his guilty plea and is ready to sue the whole bunch.And the other two don't amount to a hill of beans.Just to be clear THERE IS NOT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE ANYTHING AGAINST TRUMP.

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Mar 18, 2018 18:01:37   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
phenry wrote:
Let’s say you are full of s**t and so is your post,let’s say that.


I say you are right on, thats what i say.!!!!!....After 14 months of investigation no collusion, zero,zilch!!!!.........Stop wasting our money!!!

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Mar 18, 2018 18:03:44   #
vernon
 
slatten49 wrote:
Outstanding post, sir. As they say....'Let the chips fall where they may.'



Im for the chips falling as they may, To bad the lefties can't do that.No matter how much proof Comes out on the
demoRats it just seems to be overlooked.But it will come out it gets sticker every day.

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Mar 18, 2018 18:10:18   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are good enough friends that we can mess with each other about opposing views and still remain friends. I recently started asking them to set aside the FOX news rhetorical positions and tell me what they really think. My query is about setting aside collusion, it's pretty clear that even if Russia was involved in tampering with the e******n the right says so what, it didn't affect the e******n so who cares?

So, let's say (why are we saying that?) Trump has dirty hands on selling his condos as a means of money laundering. Let's say the evidence clearly points to any combination of tax fraud (I know, how can you prove he intended to file fraudulent claims?), he could have made a mistake. How was he supposed to know that the reason condos were being purchased at inflated prices and sold at losses? (What evidence of tax fraud?)

So the question is, and be honest not rhetorically RW obtuse, Admit that you have to know that Trump played loose with Russians and money laundering (How do I know and why would I admit what I don't know?). That said you don't care, you are damn glad Hillary wasn't elected because she was far worse. So if you can admit that common sense will tell you that Trump played loose with the law and knew he was working with Russians to launder money on a large scale, this honest admission leads us to other realities...(You're losing me fast ).

If he was guilty of money laundering, and Mueller has documents and evidence proving it, he deserves to go to jail. Nobody including the president can be allowed to get away with breaking the law.

Another big denial right now is whether Trump and his family members tried to make loans happen that might not have had Trump not been president. The right is giving Trump a free pass on deals, either loans, purchases of property at inflated rates, deals and permits on hotels, etc.

The question being, do you really think it is okay for Trump or family to use positions of government power to make countries feel like they should approve hotels and even provide the funding for them, is that okay? Answer that honestly and then look at whether that has been happening or not.

So far the right responds to anything and everything with the automatic answer that this is all f**e news made up by the left. Well, when the evidence is there, those involved with Trump start pleading guilty to their own charges of money laundering and long term involvements with Russia and Russian money, do you have the ability to see that when those around a person are involved it is very likely that the others in the circle are doing the same things.

The stage has been set very arduously to discount everything Mueller comes up with. You need to keep in mind that Trump was being investigated by the FBI long before he decided to run for e******n. Yes, we had an idea, and apparently the right didn't pay attention. If evidence is proven to show that Trump did anything that he can be charged with, he does not get a retroactive free pass for crimes.

More to the point, if he is impeached based on clear evidence, the right has no business objecting and trying to keep a criminal in office. Trump ran on the idea of cleaning the swamp, and any criminal needs to be removed including Trump. His lesser crimes than what Hillary did are no better.
I have friends that support/ed Trump, they are goo... (show quote)


Hope dies hard, don't it? ifififififififififif.

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Mar 18, 2018 18:10:29   #
Chocura750
 
When two close friends plead guilty to an official appointed to investigate their friend it usually means the investigator is on to something.

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Mar 18, 2018 18:13:03   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Chocura750 wrote:
It is unfortunate that Flynn, Papadopoulos and Gates pleaded guilty because that shows that Mueller is making progress. It seems that President is getting more nervous as the investigation goes on.


Uh huh. You guys fall for his every little trick. He knows Mueller is wasting time and he knows what's going to happen. Trump has been setting this up for at least two years before he announced his run.

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Mar 18, 2018 18:14:41   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Chocura750 wrote:
When two close friends plead guilty to an official appointed to investigate their friend it usually means the investigator is on to something.


The only thing Flynn plead guilty to is lying to an FBI..and that turned out to be a h**x, because what he lied to wasnt even illegal....

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Mar 18, 2018 18:19:39   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Outstanding post, sir. As they say....'Let the chips fall where they may.'


I agree, but notice how this poster is letting the "collusion" go now? It's because it was false to begin with, and now it's a hunt for anything, anything at all to take Trump down. This disgusts me, and is horrible for our country.
In my mind, these extreme l*****ts will accept nothing less than totalitarian rule by them, and them only. It pisses me off, and makes me want to fight those bastard that much harder! Thank God I live in Texas where there is a little bit of sanity, and a lot of backbone.

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Mar 18, 2018 18:20:29   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Chocura750 wrote:
When two close friends plead guilty to an official appointed to investigate their friend it usually means the investigator is on to something.


Mueller is pulling wings off flies to keep the perverted left from k*****g themselves every morning they wake up and find Trump is still president.

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