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Jun 15, 2016 07:56:08   #
Docadhoc wrote:
I skirt nothing. You limit God by trying to determine His actions.. He will do what He will do. He knows all the.permutations of His actions and inactions. So what? You seem to think because He knows in advance, that somehow it means He influences the outcomes. Free will can cause many potential outcomes. Again, so what? Knowing the outcome does not mean influencing that outcome.

By treating individuals as individuals, I don"t mean me. If I had meant that I would have said so. I mean don't blame Christianity for your shortcomings or the experiences you have had. Blame the particular individuals involved, not the religion.

You were taught by people trying to rationalize God. It doesn't work
Man's mind cannot fully conceive God's.

You were taught by people telling you their opinion. Nothing more.
I skirt nothing. You limit God by trying to deter... (show quote)


God exists in our imagination. Only the imagination limits god. And let me ask you--if your child was Adolph Hitler and before you even conceived him you know what and who he would become, are you telling me you aren't influencing the outcome! The god of our imagination is playing dice knowing the outcome of every roll he makes. Aside from playing a very boring game he is fully responsible for the game that is being played. You think you have free will? So what. It means nothing in a world where the outcome is known before the game is even played.

And you did hit one thing squarely on the head. God is irrational. Man is a creature of reason and no, the rational mind cannot understand the irrational mind of a god. And aside from the physical laws of nature Doc--everything is opinion. What it comes down to is whether your opinion is created through rationalism or irrationalism. One leads to a rational certainty and the other, by definition, is chaos...
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Jun 14, 2016 17:15:00   #
moldyoldy wrote:
In other words, a well regulated m*****a, think National Guard, not a bunch of i***ts playing soldier or cowboy. If the SCOTUS were to ever deal with this, that is the only way that they could rule. If the NRA keeps pushing then it will go to court.

The original intent of the second amendment was to limit a freestanding army--George had used his to suppress private citizens--and substitute it with a well regulated m*****a.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:11:37   #
bilordinary wrote:
The NRA has promoted and taught gun safety from its inception.
www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/jun/05/h...


This isn't a question of gun safety but keeping WMD out of the hands of lunatics...
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Jun 14, 2016 17:10:06   #
tdsrnest wrote:
The actual wording that the NRA never mention is as follows.

(A WELL REGULATED M*****A, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS , SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED)

The NRA version to the right wing extremist that live by there guns and pray at the alter of the NRA that we all know right winger will not look up the facts and just believe the NRA but here is the NRA version (THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED) that's hat you call right wing half t***h.

Does that sound like the NRA saying everybody has the right to bear arms yes it does but is it actually how amendment two was written absolutely not.

One part of common law or basic legal system that this country inherited from England which is the right to own and bear arms. However this right is not guaranteed to all citizens by the Constitution. Congress may place heavy restriction on the interstate sale of weapons. For example Congress enacted legislation forbidding manufacturer , t***sfer, or possession of machine guns, and this statute was upheld as constitutional. It has been tested on many occasions.

The actual purpose of this amendment is to provide for the effectiveness of the m*****a which would presumably protect the citizens against unconstitutional usurpation of power by the federal government.

But our right wing friends interpret this amendment to mean you can purchase an assault rifle with no background checks and walk into a classroom and mow down 20 6 year old kids and a nut case opportunist can walk into a gay bar in Orlando and k**l 50 people and blame it all on Obama because he is a Muslim. Does anybody even understand how foolish the right wing extremist really are. I had one i***t on OPP tell me that this Omar Mateen was a liberal and he believes it.

This amendment alone does not give all citizens the right to own weapons to use for duck hunting if congress wishes to restrict that right. It merely prevents the federal government from disarming members of the national guard. The courts have been tested on many occasions and the 2nd amendment only confers a collective right of keeping and bearing arms, which must bear reasonable relationship to the prevention or efficiency of a (well regulated m*****a)

Now for an example
A man was convicted of possessing a machine gun. He contended that he was subject to enrollment in the state m*****a (National Guard) and that therefore he had a fundamental right under the 2nd amendment to possess the gun.
The Court held that the 2nd amendment guarantees a collective, rather than a individual right to bear arms, which does not give any individual a personnel right to own a gun.

The federal government does have the constitutional right to regulate guns in this country. And they should with what's going on in this country. They just cannot take guns away from the national guard and I am okay with that.
The actual wording that the NRA never mention is a... (show quote)

We have a fundamental right to self defense and this would include the use of gun. It doesn't mean that we need a semi-auto or a machine gun for protection though. I've suggested in other threads that private ownership of guns be limited to bolt action or pump rifles and revolvers both limited to 6 shots. This means any attempts as mass carnage will be limited and at least people will have a chance when the shooter has to stop to reload. Guns that are nothing but WMD need to be banned form a civilized society. We will still have the ability to defend ourselves but within limits of a civilized society...,
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Jun 14, 2016 09:58:52   #
Loki wrote:
The Moors are NOT native to Spain. They are native to North Africa. Most of the Moors were from Algeria and Morroco, and a great many were actually Berbers. The term "Moor" is generic to describe any Muslims who invaded Spain in 711 AD. Most of them were expelled in 1492. The small minority who remained were basically given the choice of be peaceful or be dead.
By the early 1600s, almost every Muslim in Spain had been k**led or expelled. The ones who were left were very peaceful and polite.
One of my distant ancestors was one of them, although Ghanaian, rather than Berber. As I said, "Moor" is a generic term.
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Thanks for the clarification....
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Jun 14, 2016 09:39:48   #
bdamage wrote:
You have chosen YOUR "reason".....which you will have to live and die with.


No problem BD. I wouldn't have it any other way...
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Jun 14, 2016 09:37:59   #
waltmoreno wrote:
Orlando Shooter Did Not Use An AR-15, But Who Cares. A Narrative Is Building
Posted at 8:04 pm on June 13, 2016 by strife on Red State briefing


For two days now we've been scolded by the left on why NO ONE needs an AR-15 (no one needs a car since we seem hellbent on other people telling you what you need or want). For instance (provided by the indefatigable Bob Owens at our sister blog Bearing Arms):

Newsweek screamed, “ORLANDO SHOOTING PUTS SPOTLIGHT ON AR-15 RIFLE.”

Judd Legume of Think Progress squeaked, “The NRA’s Love Affair With The AR-15, Weapon Of Choice For Mass Murderers, In 22 Tweets.”

Always wrong Christopher Ingraham of the Washington Post whined, “The gun used in the Orlando shooting is becoming mass shooters’ weapon of choice.”
One noxious leftwing twit actually claimed to have had a seance with the Founding Fathers and divined their intent, unsurprisingly determined that they would not recognize an AR-15. (I don't even know what that means, is he if favor of banning iPhones because they would me much more unrecognizable than AR-15s?) Only one tiny problem. Omar Mateen did not use an AR-15:

A law enforcement source says the shooting suspect legally purchased recently the two weapons used in the attack at the shooting center in Port St. Lucie near his Fort Pierce home. He had a Glock 17 handgun purchased on June 5, a Sigsauer MCX assault rifle purchased on June 4 on his person during the shootout, and investigators later found a .38-caliber weapon in his vehicle.

Now this Sig is every bit as dangerous as an AR-15. It is sold in a semi-auto version to sportsmen and in full automatic by assorted special operations forces worldwide. The point is that it is not and AR-15 and no one, other than the media, ever claimed it was an AR-15. In fact, there is no humanly possible way it could be mistaken for an AR-15. This is not a mistake. This is a narrative. It is designed to build a consensus that the AR-15 is uniquely dangerous and contrive to outlaw it. Once that is accomplished the cry will be raised to outlaw similar weapons.
Orlando Shooter Did Not Use An AR-15, But Who Care... (show quote)


That's why all semi-autos should be banned. That way we don't need to worry about semantics.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:30:44   #
America Only wrote:
You should just start h*****g out at your local GAY bar more often, putz!


Too many conservatives there for my taste. You would probably like it though. It would be right UP your alley...
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Jun 14, 2016 09:28:59   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Donald Trump Apologizes to Pocahontas, Calls Democrat R****t!
http://er.eaglerising.com/ga/click/2-13665426-79-186863-396220-2804588-72092b4d68-7dc902baba

Donald Trump was in Tampa, Florida over the weekend and he took some time out of his campaign stump speech to talk about the Democrat Senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren 
14%
(D-MA). Warren has of late been ramping up her efforts to build her own popularity in the Democrat Party. She’s mostly been doing this by issuing a steady stream of attack against the likely GOP p**********l nominee. It seems that Mr. Trump has finally had enough, and he may be preparing to take the fight to Warren, which is a risk, considering it means that he’ll be distracting himself from his real opponent, Hillary Clinton.

While Trump may be getting distracted, at least he’s still being funny. This is how he chose to comment on Warren Saturday.

By hitting Warren on her longtime lie that she was actually a Native American, he pointed out how untrustworthy she was while simultaneously mocking her bad behavior. Trump followed up his hilarious tweet by telling the gathered crowd in Tampa that he had been asked to apologize for the comment. Once again, Trump showed his command of marketing by taking the opportunity to blast his opponents while making his supporters roar with laughter.

Ha! He apologized to Pocahontas for comparing the “terrible” Elizabeth Warren to her! This is another good example of why Donald Trump just defeated his GOP opponents and is now preparing to take on Hillary Clinton to see who’ll be the next President of the United States. If he can carry his efforts from the primary into the general e******n, then we may well be saying “hello” to President Trump in the not-too-distant future.
Donald Trump Apologizes to Pocahontas, Calls Democ... (show quote)


How does Trump know what Warrens genetic make up is and why is Warren terrible--because she has Donald's number? The more time Donnie boy spends on things other than Hillary the better. If he thinks that will get him elected he is sorely mistaken...
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Jun 14, 2016 09:22:39   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
Who pulled the trigger, numb nuts? Quit blaming a inanimate object. A Muslim scumbag k**led those people. Not a gun. And the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Do you really think banning guns will stop gun violence? Could you really be that stupid? Take a look at how many people are k**led by guns in Chicago.

I'm not blaming an inanimate object. I am blaming a society that allows for nut jobs to have weapons of mass destruction. As for Chicago, they can only ban guns within the city not outside the city where most of the guns come from. My target is Semi-auto weapons and yes, eventually the elimination of them would lead to fewer mass shootings. Individuals who want to k**l individuals will always exist--I just see no reason to make mass murder easy for all the nuts out there. Besides, we saw the ban of automatic weapons with on adverse affect. There is no reason to think the ban of semi-autos will have an adverse affect either....
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Jun 14, 2016 09:13:50   #
Oh, no choice. Reason leads to only one out come...
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Jun 14, 2016 09:11:07   #
no propaganda please wrote:
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/06/14/so-whats-it-gonna-take-for-the-rest-of-the-l**t-community-to-acknowledge-that-muslims-want-to-k**l-them/

Homosexuals are rational enough to know that it's just the fringe element of Islam that want them dead whereas all of Conservative Christianity seem to be gunning for both homosexuals and Muslims equally.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:03:19   #
bdamage wrote:
I believe you will find that he is 100% correct.

But.....will you be too late?


Or not...
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Jun 14, 2016 08:41:06   #
missinglink wrote:
Following the Orlando shooting, the left is rallying against guns not the perps.
I opened my Arizona Republic morning paper for the final time.
I'll get my news off the internet.
It was in full liberal swing with attacks on everything concerning conservatism .
They are playing this tragedy for all it's worth . Made me want to puke.

I have had enough of these misguided twinkle toe'd fairy dust snorting morons.


Oh, we are always rallying against guns and anything conservative. We don't need a shooting for that to happen...
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Jun 14, 2016 07:58:25   #
jerrymac80 wrote:
Your anti-gun screed is hypocritical on so many levels it is hard to know where to even begin...

Let's try this; how many people were shot and/or k**led in our inner cities this weekend, including Orlando but excluding this club? Do you know? Do you even give a sh!t? Better yet, how many people were shot in YOUR city this weekend?

Try this on for size...there were at least 30 shootings on Saturday and Sunday alone in Chicago and a man in New Mexico k**led his wife and 4 daughters Saturday. Those are just a small sampling of the hundreds of shootings and deaths that happened this weekend that didn't make the national news, as they don't every single day.

Where is your outrage about those shootings and loss of life? Why is all your faux anger directed towards this Orlando shooting, a terrorist attack by a radical Muslim, when you are silent about the slaughter going on in your own backyard?

As I said, hypocritical on so many, many levels.
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First, Welcome to the board. Second, It would help to know who your indignation was directed at. If you hit "Quote Reply" at the bottom of the post you are reading it will quote the text and who wrote it. That way we can get into a heated two and fro and have some real fun...
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