Singularity wrote:
Exerpted from Christopher Hitchens:
Obsessed with the ineffectual shedding/drinking of blood:
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11
He was wounded for our t***sgressions,He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,and by His wounds we are healed." Isaiah 53:5
Only, in reality
we arent
!
In the dimmest, darkest, most primitive phase of humanitys psychological development
(still evident and rampant amongst the religious today)
ignorance fueled superstitious minds reasoned
that the wild seas were trying to k**l them
therefore (obviously, duh!).,..the gods of the seas must be angry with them. So, quick! murder a virgin/infant/animal/human, and eat it
and drink its blood
(reasoning similarly, concerning gods of volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, lava flows, famines, floods, plagues of pests etc)
until they finally realized
that the cost involved (in offspring and livestock) was just not justified by the random positive results (similar to the rate of coincidence)
deducing that it would be far cheaper to simply assume that there was just one god responsible for all these life threatening events
cutting down drastically on the number of blood lettings required to appease the god, per annum
until they finally realized
that the cost involved (in offspring and livestock) was still not justified by the random positive results (similar to the rate of coincidence)
further deducing that it would be even cheaper to just shed some blood/slice off a piece of anatomy/g*****ls
cutting down drastically on the quantity of blood required to appease the one god, per annum
until they finally realized that the pain and hassle involved (in offspring and livestock) was still not justified by the random positive results (similar to the rate of coincidence)
deducing even further, that it would be even cheaper to just pretend that the one god had a part-god offspring that could be the ultimate and final part-human sacrifice to itself
and everyone could just pretend they were eating, and drinking its blood
stopping altogether, the number of blood lettings required to be made to the god, per annum
until a small number of students of reality and reason, finally realized that the whole sacrifice-blood-to-god pretense was rather silly
as it was just not justified by the random positive results (similar to the rate of coincidence)
deducing finally, that it would be far more sensible to abandon these unfounded magical-blood-and-god myths
and instead, study the natural phenomena and risks in close detail
and devise practical and sensible means to protect people from natural threats
which actually worked
! And the people prospered and flourished
but for many, particularly those non-students of reality and reason
their ingrained and indoctrinated superstitions
proved very hard to relinquish
And:
https://freethoughtsociety.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/vicarious-redemption-of-sin/Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia
Vicarious Redemption of Sin
Posted by dangeroustalk
A lot of times I talk about the immorality of Christianity. Most of the time, Christians and even a few atheists jump to defend Christianity by talking about various good deeds particular Christians have done and continue to do. But I wasnt talking about Christians being immoral; I was talking about Christianity being immoral. What can be more immoral then the vicarious redemption of sin?
The whole idea that I can go and murder someone or work on Saturday and have my sins forgiven vicariously by someone else is a license for crime. Christians often use the analogy of some small offense like a drunk driving charge (which for the record isnt really a small offense) and they talk about how Judge God lets the offender off the hook because Jesus paid his or her fine. But that isnt how the world works.
If someone went and murdered someone else and was found guilty, no one would be able to pay the fine of prison time except that person who was found guilty. There is an old expression, If you do the crime, you will do the time.
But that isnt the worst part of the Christian redemption system. The way Jesus allegedly pays for your sins is through blood sacrifice. It is funny that when most Americans hear about some cult sacrificing an animal to the Gods they laugh and think such a ritual is absurd and yet 80% or more believe the same thing.
The whole Christian belief system centers around the idea of blood sacrifice. Back before Jesus allegedly came, the Abrahamic God wanted people to sacrifice goats to him so that he could forgive them for their sins. This is where the term scapegoat comes from. Everyone in the village puts all their sins on to the goat and k**ls the goat as a sacrifice to God. But God wanted more than just a goat.
Lambs were more desirable to God apparently, because he wanted the people to sacrifice an innocent lamb to show how much they care instead. Let me repeat that last part. God wanted people to sacrifice an Innocent Lamb.
Now of course there is no need to sacrifice an Innocent Lamb or any other lamb for that matter because Jesus is the Lamb of God. In other words, he is the innocent blood sacrifice that God needs for the redemption of sin.
Some people will say that not all Christians believe this and that I am generalizing. But the fact is that this whole blood sacrifice thing is a pretty central point the Christian belief system. I really dont think one could seriously be considered a Christian if they dont buy into the idea that the death of Jesus was a necessary sacrifice to God for their sins. That is pretty much the whole grounding of the religion. God forgives those who have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for payment of their sins.
In reality, there is no vicarious redemption for sin. God cant forgive you for your wrongs. Only those who you have wronged can forgive you. Next time you lie to a friend or family member about something, instead of asking Jesus for forgiveness, try slaughtering an innocent lamb instead. Let me know if that works out for ya.
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Thanks for the interesting read, these papers are typical of the worldly man and satans lies. No big deal for me or you if this is how you conclude mankinds dark times. The Old Testament is not Christian would be my first point to the obvious as a flaw, Christians never practiced animal or human sacrafices. Christians do beleive that Christ paid for our sins and yes this includes murder as no sin is greater than any other. I have a hard time with that part and it doesn't sound fair, but when a person is in Christ they have typically repented and left their sinful way. Again very hard to do in this h**e filled world. Christians are not perfect people and if they are true Christians you may not even know they are Christians at all unless you catch them during sacrament. This sacrament is an old ritual that Christ asked us to perform so that we would again feel his sacrafice. "Rituals" cause emotion. The Holy Spirit is still amongst us some call that a guardian angel today and the spirit is doing gods work around the world. Is there suffering due to the dark ages of religion? Yes look at Islam! The Jews stopped sacrificing animals either because they actually beleive the gospels or as your paper reads, figured the cost was too steep. As I said before the only thing Christ brought was the new covenant to all the Gentiles and Jews. He brought the word of forgiveness and directed us to do "as he did" spread love, tolerance, and acceptance of our brothers and sisters on this earth. Because of this teaching I try very hard not to h**e and gudge others, and without knowing that Christ wants us to do this, I would be my old self, partying, fighting, hating, c***ting, lieing, stealing all because what is a little white lie? What is a piece if candy? What is a bit of gossip? What is an extra deduction on my taxes? What is being mean to my neighbor? What's a little too much drink everyday? I realize some people over one these worldly things but typically fall right back into the groove with the " I'm cool" I can handle it ! That would be me too on occasion because we are fallible, nobody is perfect, not even the pope. You seem very knowledgable in the scriptures so I guess you recognize the great false prophet when it arrives?