Thank you for your reply
"The i*****l a***ns who are coming to the US today do not go through any screening....not even testing for C***d. If they are sick or mentally ill, no one knows about it. If they are criminals, no one knows about it. Under the Biden administration, they are allowed to flow across our border and then are flown or bussed all over the country...all potentially sick with C***d or a number of other diseases, and all without criminal background checks".
After making an "honest attempt" researching your claims, I learned more about Immigration, I*****l A***ns, DACA, Border Security, and Refugees etc., than I ever imagined I had the patience for. : )
These links below are a few I found related to the continuous "left vs right" immigration disagreements.
I believe these links provide the answers.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/immigration-
statistics/research_reports/research_paper_c****-**_vulnerability_by_immigration_status_may_2021.pdf
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/yellowbook/2020/posttravel-evaluation/newly-arrived-immigrants-and-refugees
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-international-refugee-protection-system/
“The best solution, as ever, is to reduce the incentive for people to come illegally by creating more ways to work legally in America,” wrote the Wall Street Journal in a December 2018 editorial. “Most migrants come to work, and at the current moment there are plenty of unfilled jobs for them.
BTW I'm not a Democrat nor a Republican. I am an Independent Thinking American, who makes an effort to gather information from many world sources. I v**e according to my conscience as a Humanitarian.
I believe our Constitutional Democratic Republic should remain intact, as opposed to becoming a Theocracy.
D******n-ism
https://ethosinstitute.sg/distortions-of-d******n-theology/
https://theoutline.com/post/8856/seven-mountain-mandate-trump-paula-white
Thanks again for your reply,
moochie
Thank you for your reply
Perhaps we could establish a few basic foundational facts we can both agree on, before getting this puddle any muddier?
You said;
"Well now, we do live in nation where a great majority of citizens profess to be Christians, do go to church, and do v**e their preferences at the polls.
Thus their v**es could well have been *influenced by the church* or Christian thought , and will most likely continue to do so in the future".
I'm saying;
I have questions concerning what Professing Christian Pastors, Preachers, and Teachers are *teaching and preaching as being *Christlike behavior.
If we look at what Jesus himself said about the manner in which we are to conduct ourselves, as we live within society as his Followers;
Lets look at His statements, and list of required behavior, and Compare these to *what is being said from the pulpits that influence v**ers today.
Matthew 7
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore By Their Fruits Ye Shall Know Them.
What are these fruits Jesus is speaking of?
Galatians 5--Apostle Paul provides a short list;
But the fruit of the Spirit is Love, Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith,
Meekness, Temperance: against such there is no law.
Jesus lays it all down in no uncertain terms;
KJV Matthew Chapter 5
I will leave off the copy and paste routine, asking you to read the chapter.
And if you could also read what "D******n Theology" is truly all about.
{this is, what is being preached as Christianity now}
https://medium.com/solus-jesus/trump-evangelicals-the-seven-mountain-mandate-af660291f537
“Seven mountains” refers to the thinking that seven major areas of human life need such Christian influence: education, religion, family, business, government/military, arts/entertainment, and media.
https://ethosinstitute.sg/distortions-of-d******n-theology/
https://www.au.org/church-state/october-2011-church-state/featured/d******nism-and-democracy
What is the difference between; status quo i.e. separation of church and state-- American Capitalism, Democratic Socialism, True C*******m, and a Theocracy?
Which form of government / society would you prefer to live in?
Thank you,
moochie
Well, if it isn't credible, it is a lie from hell then.
Why would anyone go through all of the time, and effort, to create such false information?
It must be either an act of desperation, or just a s**m to get people to donate money.
Some people will do anything to deceive others, just to make a buck these days.
I'm 65 years old, and I can remember when a man's handshake, was as good as him signing his name.
Things have really changed for the worse, over the past 5 years.
I can remember when a person told lies or 1/2 t***hs, it would cause wise people to avoid those that did that.
Ok Thanks
So, it isn't anything out of the accepted norms to offer medical aid to anyone in need.
Which is a good thing, and a non-issue as well.
There is a Statue Of Liberty still standing in the harbor.
"It's a symbol of America, a symbol of an ideal of welcome for immigrants."
She speaks like this:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
It is the words of The Lady Of Liberty, Which Made America A Great Nation of Diverse Nationalities.
There are those among us, who say she no longer speaks for them.
moochie
Trump's attorneys should have brought this information to the attention of the courts.
Who are "they"?
What "free money", and "medical care", are you referring to?
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/
Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?
Generally no. Undocumented immigrants, including DACA holders, are ineligible to receive most federal public benefits, including means-tested benefits such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, sometimes referred to as food stamps), regular Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and are prohibited from purchasing unsubsidized health coverage on ACA exchanges.
Democratic candidates have not offered any specific proposal for covering undocumented immigrants.
https://farmersmarketcoalition.org/advocacy/snap/
The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) provides over 45 million low-income Americans with monthly benefits that can be used to purchase most foods and beverages. ... While SNAP helps low-income Americans purchase food, the program also Supports Farmers And Farmers Markets In All 50 States.
https://talkpoverty.org/2018/03/23/food-stamps-keeping-small-farms-business/
“Double Up is a win-win-win,” says Adrienne Udarbe, executive director of Pinnacle Prevention, the nonprofit that manages Arizona’s statewide Double Up initiative.
“SNAP recipients have access to more fruits and vegetables, local farmers make more money, and more dollars stay in the local economy.“
IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.
A report from the office shows that 50% to 75% of undocumented immigrants pay billions in taxes each year — and have been
since the Internal Revenue Service created a program 25 years ago allowing people without a Social Security number to file taxes.
When it comes to state and local taxes, undocumented immigrants pay more than $11 billion a year, according to a 2017 report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a nonpartisan nonprofit based in Washington, D.C. In Ohio, they paid $83.2 million in state and local taxes in 2017, according to the institute.
https://apnews.com/article/immigration-health-c****av***s-p******c-business-50121aa858e9f7cb2c708d94602ef366
Farm labor shortage nothing new, getting worse, farmers say.
Farming in Pennsylvania is an $81 billion-a-year industry, according to a 2021 report from the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture,
yet many farmers say local workers aren’t interested in taking the jobs available.
Remember America Is A "Christian Nation" and we believe in Judeo Christian Values.
Matthew 25:35-40
For I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
Leviticus 19:34
The stranger that dwelleth with you, shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself;
Now what were you saying about The Left, Free Money, and Health Benefits?
What?
Lets see what Texas says;
Examining Crime Rates:
We begin by presenting aggregate crime rates from 2012 to 2018. Fig. 1 presents violent, property, drug, and traffic arrest rates of native-born citizens, legal immigrants, and undocumented immigrants. The consistency of the comparative rates is notable.
Relative to native-born citizens and legal immigrants, undocumented immigrants have the "lowest felony arrest" rates across all four crime types.
For violent, property, and drug offenses, legal immigrants occupy a middle position between undocumented immigrants and US-born citizens.
The gaps between native-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are substantial: US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.
Here's a look at the reality concerning crime in America.
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/51/32340
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-are-half-as-likely-to-be-arrested-for-violent-crimes-as-u-s-born-citizens/
BTW; There has never been any I*****l A***n, Migrant, or Refugee, group of terrorist storm the US Capitol...
Good evening
Thank you for your attention concerning the subject of baptism, and your time as well.
Good afternoon
Thank you for your reply,
You said;
"Religion has a definite place in America"
I said;
"The Churches have no place in Secular Government"
There is a vast difference between our two statements.
Jesus said;
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
You said;
"and the churches contribute to the welfare of their members".
I say;
I agree, to a point.
Although, When pastors, preachers, and teachers tell the congregations, they are in a war between good and evil and that "they should take up arms" to k**l their fellow American citizens. I believe the church has abandoned the teachings of Jesus, as well as the most fundamental principles, and precepts of Christianity.
The war for Christians isn't a physical/carnal war, but instead it is a spiritual war/battle.
Jesus said;
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said,
"The kingdom of God cometh *Not With Observation*:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, *the kingdom of God is within you*".
Apostle Paul said.
For the "weapons of our warfare are not carnal", but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.
Casting down 'imaginations', and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity "every thought" to the obedience of Christ."
7 Mountain Mandate
There is a movement among the Evangelical Leadership which have their members involved in D******n-ism.
Most significantly, the d******n-ists maintain that the extension of the kingdom and the return of Christ are "dependent on the work of the Church under the leadership of the end-time apostles and prophets". Christ will not be able to return until the Church has taken control of at least a significant portion of the world’s governments and social institutions.
Thus, it is the Church – not Christ – that will ensure the success of the kingdom of God and its extension across the globe. In his book Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God, Bill Hamon, a self- styled prophet and apostle of NAR, stresses that the Church that God will raise up in these last days to accomplish this purpose will be unstoppable:
God is preparing His Church to become an invincible, unstoppable, unconquerable, overcoming Army of the Lord that subdues everything under Christ’s feet.
I was born and raised by parents who pastored congregations, my father was an old school preacher.
My father and others of his era, often spoke about this D******n-ism and Ecumenical movement, and foretold of it bringing chaos to America and the world.
I firmly believe those who "stayed on the old path" by "following the landmarks" of those who had gone before them,
knew these events would come.
Not only by hearing, but also by Studying The Word of God, In The Spirit Which Led Them.
Perhaps it is time for More Knee-ology and Less Theology...
moochie
PS:
You said;
"This, in turn, influences the people to v**e for sane government, not L*****t garbage as put forth by the likes of Biden and his keepers".
I say;
Combining Church and State has much in common with...
Mixing oil with water, it pollutes both substances, making them both worthless.
So, I suppose we are left with three choices?
#1] The laws such as those of the celebrated lawgiver Draco, of Athens.
Sample of #1 choice
The laws were particularly harsh. For example, any debtor whose status was lower than that of his creditor was forced into s***ery. The punishment was more lenient for those owing a debt to a member of a lower class. The death penalty was the punishment for even minor offences, such as stealing a cabbage.
or
#2] The laws such as those of the celebrated lawgiver Moses, of the Land of Goshen,
combined the laws such as those of the celebrated Jesus of Nazareth.
i.e. commonly referred to as, Judeo Christian.
Sample of the #2 choice:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and h**e thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that h**e you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
#3] I would much rather simply stick with the Status Quo, America has her problems I agree.
But it isn't the fault of The Declaration Of Independence, The Constitution, nor The Bill Of Rights.
The problems which do exist however, are primarily due to the manipulation by those with wordsmith credentials.
The grass is plenty green for me right here on this side, of that fence.
moochie
PS: The Churches have no place in Secular Government.
America is a Constitutional Democratic Republic, never a Theocracy.
Good morning,
Thank you for your reply
Colossians 3:17--And whatsoever ye do in Word or Deed, do All in the Name of the Lord Jesus
The reason baptism is done in Jesus' Name is that in Luke 24:47 Jesus said: "And that repentance and Remission of sins should be preached in his Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
When the apostles went out with the gospel, the Name of Jesus Christ offended many,
not the titles " father, son, holy ghost".
When Paul stated, "were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" He was saying that they were baptized in the Name of Jesus, so they shouldn't have been idolizing Paul like they were baptized in his name. The Name of Jesus is so powerful that Acts 4:12 states: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other Name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be Saved." Christians pray in the Name of Jesus, heal the sick in the Name of Jesus, preach in the Name of Jesus,
but as soon as it comes time to baptize in Jesus' Name, that Name no longer exists?
Remission: means “the cancellation of a debt, charge, or penalty”
Romans 5:12--Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and Death by sin; and so Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
There is a distinction between the “forgiveness” of sins, and the “remission” of sins, the Bible clearly teaches that there is a difference.
The word Remission was not mentioned in the entire Old Testament, while in the New Testament it occurs Many times. The Forgiveness of sins was a Common Thing under the Old covenant.
The blood of bulls and goats was offered for the 'Forgiveness' of sins, but it could not “Remit” or “take away” their sins. [sacrifices only pushed their sin ahead, annually]
Hebrews 10:4-- For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should "take away" sins.
Hebrews 9:22--And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. [unless your sins have been remitted, you are still dead in your sin]
Acts 2:38-39-- Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ [why?--> 'for the Remission of sins', and ye shall receive the gift of the holy ghost.
For the promise is unto You, and to your children, and To All That Are Afar Off, Even As Many As The Lord Our God Shall Call<--for example Cornelius was a gentile, ]
"Thou art the Christ the son of the living god" <--upon this rock, {Not Cephas/Peter} I will build my church.
Matthew 16:19-- And I will give unto thee [Peter] the Keys Of The Kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt Bind on earth shall be Bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt Loose on earth shall be Loosed in heaven.
Bind-- In usage, to Bind and to Loose simply means to forbid by an indisputable authority and to permit by an indisputable authority.
Meaning whatever Apostle Peter said, those words would carry the same command authority, as if said by Jesus.
You wrote
It is the gospel that saves, not baptism.
There are scores of verses that say, "He that believeth is saved," but only one that says, "He that believeth and is baptized is saved." And scores of verses declare that if we don't believe the gospel we are lost—but not one says that if we are not baptized we are lost.
Mark 16:16--"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved," but that doesn't say that baptism is essential to salvation, only that saved people get baptized.
Mark 16:16-- is only one?
Matthew 26:28-- For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the Remission of sins.
1 Peter 3:20-21--Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
Eight Souls Were Saved By Water.
The like figure whereunto even Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us...
1 Corinthians10--Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the
And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Acts 22:16-- And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and "Wash Away Thy Sins", calling on the Name of the Lord. [The Name Of The Lord Is Jesus] [why tarriest thou? the sense of urgency was present]
Jesus said to Peter and the disciples, “Whosoever sins ye remit, they are "Remitted".” The only way that the apostles fulfilled these words was by “Baptizing in the Name of Jesus Christ [why?] for the Remission of sins.”
This was a Fundamental Doctrine Of The First Church.
In every instance that water baptism is mentioned in the book of Acts, it precedes the baptism of the holy ghost, with one exception. This case would no doubt have been as others, had not the six men that went with Peter forbade him to baptize the Gentiles in water. That they endeavored to hinder him is proven from the fact that when the holy ghost came upon them,
Peter answered, “Can any man forbid water?” If water baptism in the Name of the Lord (Acts 10:36-47) was not an essential part of salvation, why did Peter “Command" them to be baptized in the Name of the Lord”, after they had received the baptism of the holy ghost?
Galatians 3:27-- For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Acts 10:48-- And he Commanded [he didn't suggest, or kindly ask] them to be baptized in the Name of the Lord
The blood of goats and bulls was for forgiveness, but the blood of Jesus does that and “much more.”
Heb. 9:13-14. It was for this that the apostle wrote these words, “In whom we have Redemption / [Remission] through His blood,...” Colossians 1:14
Circumcision
Colossians 2:11-14--In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. Blotting out<--i.e. remitting] the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
You wrote; Baptism is a public declaration of faith in Christ, an act of obedience to Christ's command, and thus required of every Christian — but is does not save the soul; it follows salvation.
Commanded, Required, Must
Paul tells us that it is by way of baptism that one gets “into Christ” (Rom. 6:3; Gal. 3:27). Unless one is prepared to say that one is saved “outside of Christ”, then one must admit that it is a condition that must be met in order to be saved.
Baptism is said to be “for the Remission of sins” and to “wash your sins away” (Acts 2:38; 22:16).
Unless one is prepared to say that one is saved without their sins being remitted, then they must admit that baptism is a condition of salvation. {??}
FOR SOME REASON THIS HAS BEEN CALLED THE GREAT COMMISSION
Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
Revelation 7:14--And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
John 3:5 -- Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 2:38--Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the holy ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, SAVE yourselves from this untoward generation.
This is only a small portion of what baptism truly means, as it relates to salvation
Good morning,
Thank you for your reply
Colossians 3:17--And whatsoever ye do in Word or Deed, do All in the Name of the Lord Jesus
The reason baptism is done in Jesus' Name is that in Luke 24:47 Jesus said: "And that repentance and Remission of sins should be preached in his Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
When the apostles went out with the gospel, the Name of Jesus Christ offended many,
not the titles " father, son, holy ghost".
When Paul stated, "were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" He was saying that they were baptized in the Name of Jesus, so they shouldn't have been idolizing Paul like they were baptized in his name. The Name of Jesus is so powerful that Acts 4:12 states: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other Name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be Saved." Christians pray in the Name of Jesus, heal the sick in the Name of Jesus, preach in the Name of Jesus,
but as soon as it comes time to baptize in Jesus' Name, that Name no longer exists?
Remission: means “the cancellation of a debt, charge, or penalty”
Romans 5:12--Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and Death by sin; and so Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
There is a distinction between the “forgiveness” of sins, and the “remission” of sins, the Bible clearly teaches that there is a difference.
The word Remission was not mentioned in the entire Old Testament, while in the New Testament it occurs Many times. The Forgiveness of sins was a Common Thing under the Old covenant.
The blood of bulls and goats was offered for the 'Forgiveness' of sins, but it could not “Remit” or “take away” their sins. [sacrifices only pushed their sin ahead, annually]
Hebrews 10:4-- For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should "take away" sins.
Hebrews 9:22--And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. [unless your sins have been remitted, you are still dead in your sin]
Acts 2:38-39-- Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ [why?--> 'for the Remission of sins', and ye shall receive the gift of the holy ghost.
For the promise is unto You, and to your children, and To All That Are Afar Off, Even As Many As The Lord Our God Shall Call<--for example Cornelius was a gentile, ]
"Thou art the Christ the son of the living god" <--upon this rock, {Not Cephas/Peter} I will build my church.
Matthew 16:19-- And I will give unto thee [Peter] the Keys Of The Kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt Bind on earth shall be Bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt Loose on earth shall be Loosed in heaven.
Bind-- In usage, to Bind and to Loose simply means to forbid by an indisputable authority and to permit by an indisputable authority.
Meaning whatever Apostle Peter said, those words would carry the same command authority, as if said by Jesus.
You wrote
It is the gospel that saves, not baptism.
There are scores of verses that say, "He that believeth is saved," but only one that says, "He that believeth and is baptized is saved." And scores of verses declare that if we don't believe the gospel we are lost—but not one says that if we are not baptized we are lost.
Mark 16:16--"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved," but that doesn't say that baptism is essential to salvation, only that saved people get baptized.
Mark 16:16-- is only one?
Matthew 26:28-- For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the Remission of sins.
1 Peter 3:20-21--Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
Eight Souls Were Saved By Water.
The like figure whereunto even Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us...
1 Corinthians10--Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the
And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Acts 22:16-- And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and "Wash Away Thy Sins", calling on the Name of the Lord. [The Name Of The Lord Is Jesus] [why tarriest thou? the sense of urgency was present]
Jesus said to Peter and the disciples, “Whosoever sins ye remit, they are "Remitted".” The only way that the apostles fulfilled these words was by “Baptizing in the Name of Jesus Christ [why?] for the Remission of sins.”
This was a Fundamental Doctrine Of The First Church.
In every instance that water baptism is mentioned in the book of Acts, it precedes the baptism of the holy ghost, with one exception. This case would no doubt have been as others, had not the six men that went with Peter forbade him to baptize the Gentiles in water. That they endeavored to hinder him is proven from the fact that when the holy ghost came upon them,
Peter answered, “Can any man forbid water?” If water baptism in the Name of the Lord (Acts 10:36-47) was not an essential part of salvation, why did Peter “Command" them to be baptized in the Name of the Lord”, after they had received the baptism of the holy ghost?
Galatians 3:27-- For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Acts 10:48-- And he Commanded [he didn't suggest, or kindly ask] them to be baptized in the Name of the Lord
The blood of goats and bulls was for forgiveness, but the blood of Jesus does that and “much more.”
Heb. 9:13-14. It was for this that the apostle wrote these words, “In whom we have Redemption / [Remission] through His blood,...” Colossians 1:14
Circumcision
Colossians 2:11-14--In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. Blotting out<--i.e. remitting] the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
You wrote; Baptism is a public declaration of faith in Christ, an act of obedience to Christ's command, and thus required of every Christian — but is does not save the soul; it follows salvation.
Commanded, Required, Must
Paul tells us that it is by way of baptism that one gets “into Christ” (Rom. 6:3; Gal. 3:27). Unless one is prepared to say that one is saved “outside of Christ”, then one must admit that it is a condition that must be met in order to be saved.
Baptism is said to be “for the Remission of sins” and to “wash your sins away” (Acts 2:38; 22:16).
Unless one is prepared to say that one is saved without their sins being remitted, then they must admit that baptism is a condition of salvation. {??}
FOR SOME REASON THIS HAS BEEN CALLED THE GREAT COMMISSION
Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
Revelation 7:14--And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
John 3:5 -- Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 2:38--Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the holy ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, SAVE yourselves from this untoward generation.
This is only a small portion of what baptism truly means, as it relates to salvation
moochie
There is an estimated 11,100,000,000 pounds of ambulatory political pollution in existence as well.
Just funnin, of course.
Howdy,
Other than the cheap 'entertainment value' the right can provide, I see no benefit attempting to prevent the inevitable.
The fix is simple:
#1] Get yourself, and those you are personally responsible for, v******ted.
Continue to be aware of the mask and social distancing advantages.
So, IF you or yours happens to get the stuff, you or them don't die.
#2] Teach by example.
#3] Live your own life for yourself, and those you are personally responsible for.
#4] The v***s will do what it does, it has no choice.
I see no other options at this time.
Be safe, and e well,
moochie
Good morning,
Thank you for your reply.
I agree to what you have said here.
"but there are "imitation" Christians or "pretend-to-be" Christians"
So then this group includes all of those who have either chosen to follow, or have been deceive by, the numerous doctrines, and traditions of men, by which they pervert the true gospel as well?
The answer unfortunately is yes.
I see that you are well acquainted with the Bible, so I will not need to copy and paste Apostle Paul's
Galatians 1:6-9.
The problem which exist today, remains as it was when Jesus walked those dusty roads. There were others who did not follow along with Jesus and his disciples, but they did use the Name of Jesus, to do miraculous things.
Currently there are over 200 Christian Denominations in America.
[I believe this to be a credible reason for the unbeliever, to remain skeptical]
All professing to preach The Gospel which Jesus and the Apostles preached.
Although only a few actually preach the Matthew 28:19--John 3:5--Matthew 16:19--Acts 2:38 oneness Gospel message.
The reason is found here:
The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: "The baptismal formula was changed from the Name Of Jesus Christ to the Words/Titles father, son, and holy spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."
Any ideas as to why these found it necessary to make a change ?
moochie