John Stoehr August 04, 2021
Some among us, liberals mostly, appear to believe that a federally enforced v*****e mandate would backfire. This is not unreasonable. After all, the authoritarian holdouts who are prolonging the c***d p******c in this country tell us time and again they will resist getting v******ted because their individual rights and freedom demand it.
But a national mandate, or a patchwork of state and local mandates, as is usually the case in the United States, will have the opposite effect. I have no doubt about it. The authoritarians among us certainly seem exceptionally strong. After all, they are willing to die before "giving in." In fact, they are exceptionally frail and weak. They will cave almost instantly under the weight of the authority of government and civil society.
Liberals of the kind I consort with here on the east coast very rarely understand this, because liberals of the kind I consort with tend to give authoritarians the benefit of the doubt. It's very much to their credit that they believe authoritarians, like former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, when they go on Fox, as Gingrich did, to say the anti-American left would love to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts." When authoritarians like Gingrich say, "they want to get rid of us," the liberal response is to recognize fear and try easing it. We don't want to get rid of anyone, we liberals say. We want to make a country where everyone feels at home.
Authoritarians like Gingrich, however, do not fear i*****l i*******ts. They do not fear "demographic change." They do not fear the historic moment some time this century when the United States will become a minority-majority country. These are not primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions that they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue. If authoritarians do not fear these primarily, then what do they fear? It's so simple, so one dimensional as to be stupid. You're going to laugh. They fear they aren't great.
What on earth are you talking about, John? These are the same people who sacked and l**ted the United States Capitol in a bid to overturn a free, fair and full e******n. Too true, but consider this. Authoritarians tell each other staggering, howling lies about their imagined enemies, obviously, but more importantly about themselves. In every story about American history, they are the original victims and they are the ultimate heroes. This has always been the case. The authoritarians have always been with us. Social media has magnified the lies such that the lies now grow massive. Eventually, you don't know what's true. You don't care either. The lies, however, feel real good.
This is where yesterday's column comes in. I said authoritarians don't mind hurting themselves to gain political advantage because they are already hurting. Why? Because the lies they inhabit—about their enemies, about America as a white man's country and about themselves as the rightful inheritors of "democracy"—shatter every time the lies come in contact with what I call normal people. Normal people act as if the sky is blue! Normal people are extraordinarily dangerous to the integrity of your identity if you inhabit lies telling you all day every day the sky is mint green. Just walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in risks humiliation—of being wrong, because, you know, you believe lies. You won't stop lying, though. Lies feel too good. What you will do is try forcing normal people to believe your lies.
So when Newt Gingrich goes on Fox to accuse "the anti-American left" of wanting to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts," it's tempting, if you're a liberal, to respond in a couple of ways. One, by easing the authoritarian's fear in some fashion, usually by saying immigration should be lawful and regulated but immigrants themselves are welcome. Or, two, by trying to dismiss fire-breathing r****ts like Gingrich on account of their being fire-breathing r****ts. While both approaches have merit, I think they are missing something huge, because, if you're a liberal, you might still be taking these authoritarians at their word. Don't do that.
The authoritarians among us don't care about "lawlessness." They don't care about "i*****l i*********n." They don't care about "border security." They don't care about being replaced. These are not their primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue, which is this: ending the pain that comes with walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in—ending the constant threat of humiliation that comes inevitably with sharing a republic with Americans who do not or will not believe the authoritarians' lies about themselves.
Milosia2 wrote:
John Stoehr August 04, 2021
Some among us, liberals mostly, appear to believe that a federally enforced v*****e mandate would backfire. This is not unreasonable. After all, the authoritarian holdouts who are prolonging the c***d p******c in this country tell us time and again they will resist getting v******ted because their individual rights and freedom demand it.
But a national mandate, or a patchwork of state and local mandates, as is usually the case in the United States, will have the opposite effect. I have no doubt about it. The authoritarians among us certainly seem exceptionally strong. After all, they are willing to die before "giving in." In fact, they are exceptionally frail and weak. They will cave almost instantly under the weight of the authority of government and civil society.
Liberals of the kind I consort with here on the east coast very rarely understand this, because liberals of the kind I consort with tend to give authoritarians the benefit of the doubt. It's very much to their credit that they believe authoritarians, like former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, when they go on Fox, as Gingrich did, to say the anti-American left would love to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts." When authoritarians like Gingrich say, "they want to get rid of us," the liberal response is to recognize fear and try easing it. We don't want to get rid of anyone, we liberals say. We want to make a country where everyone feels at home.
Authoritarians like Gingrich, however, do not fear i*****l i*******ts. They do not fear "demographic change." They do not fear the historic moment some time this century when the United States will become a minority-majority country. These are not primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions that they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue. If authoritarians do not fear these primarily, then what do they fear? It's so simple, so one dimensional as to be stupid. You're going to laugh. They fear they aren't great.
What on earth are you talking about, John? These are the same people who sacked and l**ted the United States Capitol in a bid to overturn a free, fair and full e******n. Too true, but consider this. Authoritarians tell each other staggering, howling lies about their imagined enemies, obviously, but more importantly about themselves. In every story about American history, they are the original victims and they are the ultimate heroes. This has always been the case. The authoritarians have always been with us. Social media has magnified the lies such that the lies now grow massive. Eventually, you don't know what's true. You don't care either. The lies, however, feel real good.
This is where yesterday's column comes in. I said authoritarians don't mind hurting themselves to gain political advantage because they are already hurting. Why? Because the lies they inhabit—about their enemies, about America as a white man's country and about themselves as the rightful inheritors of "democracy"—shatter every time the lies come in contact with what I call normal people. Normal people act as if the sky is blue! Normal people are extraordinarily dangerous to the integrity of your identity if you inhabit lies telling you all day every day the sky is mint green. Just walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in risks humiliation—of being wrong, because, you know, you believe lies. You won't stop lying, though. Lies feel too good. What you will do is try forcing normal people to believe your lies.
So when Newt Gingrich goes on Fox to accuse "the anti-American left" of wanting to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts," it's tempting, if you're a liberal, to respond in a couple of ways. One, by easing the authoritarian's fear in some fashion, usually by saying immigration should be lawful and regulated but immigrants themselves are welcome. Or, two, by trying to dismiss fire-breathing r****ts like Gingrich on account of their being fire-breathing r****ts. While both approaches have merit, I think they are missing something huge, because, if you're a liberal, you might still be taking these authoritarians at their word. Don't do that.
The authoritarians among us don't care about "lawlessness." They don't care about "i*****l i*********n." They don't care about "border security." They don't care about being replaced. These are not their primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue, which is this: ending the pain that comes with walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in—ending the constant threat of humiliation that comes inevitably with sharing a republic with Americans who do not or will not believe the authoritarians' lies about themselves.
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Written by a real authoritarian Marxist
Milosia2 wrote:
John Stoehr August 04, 2021
Some among us, liberals mostly, appear to believe that a federally enforced v*****e mandate would backfire. This is not unreasonable. After all, the authoritarian holdouts who are prolonging the c***d p******c in this country tell us time and again they will resist getting v******ted because their individual rights and freedom demand it.
But a national mandate, or a patchwork of state and local mandates, as is usually the case in the United States, will have the opposite effect. I have no doubt about it. The authoritarians among us certainly seem exceptionally strong. After all, they are willing to die before "giving in." In fact, they are exceptionally frail and weak. They will cave almost instantly under the weight of the authority of government and civil society.
Liberals of the kind I consort with here on the east coast very rarely understand this, because liberals of the kind I consort with tend to give authoritarians the benefit of the doubt. It's very much to their credit that they believe authoritarians, like former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, when they go on Fox, as Gingrich did, to say the anti-American left would love to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts." When authoritarians like Gingrich say, "they want to get rid of us," the liberal response is to recognize fear and try easing it. We don't want to get rid of anyone, we liberals say. We want to make a country where everyone feels at home.
Authoritarians like Gingrich, however, do not fear i*****l i*******ts. They do not fear "demographic change." They do not fear the historic moment some time this century when the United States will become a minority-majority country. These are not primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions that they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue. If authoritarians do not fear these primarily, then what do they fear? It's so simple, so one dimensional as to be stupid. You're going to laugh. They fear they aren't great.
What on earth are you talking about, John? These are the same people who sacked and l**ted the United States Capitol in a bid to overturn a free, fair and full e******n. Too true, but consider this. Authoritarians tell each other staggering, howling lies about their imagined enemies, obviously, but more importantly about themselves. In every story about American history, they are the original victims and they are the ultimate heroes. This has always been the case. The authoritarians have always been with us. Social media has magnified the lies such that the lies now grow massive. Eventually, you don't know what's true. You don't care either. The lies, however, feel real good.
This is where yesterday's column comes in. I said authoritarians don't mind hurting themselves to gain political advantage because they are already hurting. Why? Because the lies they inhabit—about their enemies, about America as a white man's country and about themselves as the rightful inheritors of "democracy"—shatter every time the lies come in contact with what I call normal people. Normal people act as if the sky is blue! Normal people are extraordinarily dangerous to the integrity of your identity if you inhabit lies telling you all day every day the sky is mint green. Just walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in risks humiliation—of being wrong, because, you know, you believe lies. You won't stop lying, though. Lies feel too good. What you will do is try forcing normal people to believe your lies.
So when Newt Gingrich goes on Fox to accuse "the anti-American left" of wanting to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts," it's tempting, if you're a liberal, to respond in a couple of ways. One, by easing the authoritarian's fear in some fashion, usually by saying immigration should be lawful and regulated but immigrants themselves are welcome. Or, two, by trying to dismiss fire-breathing r****ts like Gingrich on account of their being fire-breathing r****ts. While both approaches have merit, I think they are missing something huge, because, if you're a liberal, you might still be taking these authoritarians at their word. Don't do that.
The authoritarians among us don't care about "lawlessness." They don't care about "i*****l i*********n." They don't care about "border security." They don't care about being replaced. These are not their primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue, which is this: ending the pain that comes with walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in—ending the constant threat of humiliation that comes inevitably with sharing a republic with Americans who do not or will not believe the authoritarians' lies about themselves.
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Spoken like a true delusional zombiecrat! Verbose and full of nothing!
Milosia2 wrote:
John Stoehr August 04, 2021
Some among us, liberals mostly, appear to believe that a federally enforced v*****e mandate would backfire. This is not unreasonable. After all, the authoritarian holdouts who are prolonging the c***d p******c in this country tell us time and again they will resist getting v******ted because their individual rights and freedom demand it.
But a national mandate, or a patchwork of state and local mandates, as is usually the case in the United States, will have the opposite effect. I have no doubt about it. The authoritarians among us certainly seem exceptionally strong. After all, they are willing to die before "giving in." In fact, they are exceptionally frail and weak. They will cave almost instantly under the weight of the authority of government and civil society.
Liberals of the kind I consort with here on the east coast very rarely understand this, because liberals of the kind I consort with tend to give authoritarians the benefit of the doubt. It's very much to their credit that they believe authoritarians, like former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, when they go on Fox, as Gingrich did, to say the anti-American left would love to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts." When authoritarians like Gingrich say, "they want to get rid of us," the liberal response is to recognize fear and try easing it. We don't want to get rid of anyone, we liberals say. We want to make a country where everyone feels at home.
Authoritarians like Gingrich, however, do not fear i*****l i*******ts. They do not fear "demographic change." They do not fear the historic moment some time this century when the United States will become a minority-majority country. These are not primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions that they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue. If authoritarians do not fear these primarily, then what do they fear? It's so simple, so one dimensional as to be stupid. You're going to laugh. They fear they aren't great.
What on earth are you talking about, John? These are the same people who sacked and l**ted the United States Capitol in a bid to overturn a free, fair and full e******n. Too true, but consider this. Authoritarians tell each other staggering, howling lies about their imagined enemies, obviously, but more importantly about themselves. In every story about American history, they are the original victims and they are the ultimate heroes. This has always been the case. The authoritarians have always been with us. Social media has magnified the lies such that the lies now grow massive. Eventually, you don't know what's true. You don't care either. The lies, however, feel real good.
This is where yesterday's column comes in. I said authoritarians don't mind hurting themselves to gain political advantage because they are already hurting. Why? Because the lies they inhabit—about their enemies, about America as a white man's country and about themselves as the rightful inheritors of "democracy"—shatter every time the lies come in contact with what I call normal people. Normal people act as if the sky is blue! Normal people are extraordinarily dangerous to the integrity of your identity if you inhabit lies telling you all day every day the sky is mint green. Just walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in risks humiliation—of being wrong, because, you know, you believe lies. You won't stop lying, though. Lies feel too good. What you will do is try forcing normal people to believe your lies.
So when Newt Gingrich goes on Fox to accuse "the anti-American left" of wanting to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts," it's tempting, if you're a liberal, to respond in a couple of ways. One, by easing the authoritarian's fear in some fashion, usually by saying immigration should be lawful and regulated but immigrants themselves are welcome. Or, two, by trying to dismiss fire-breathing r****ts like Gingrich on account of their being fire-breathing r****ts. While both approaches have merit, I think they are missing something huge, because, if you're a liberal, you might still be taking these authoritarians at their word. Don't do that.
The authoritarians among us don't care about "lawlessness." They don't care about "i*****l i*********n." They don't care about "border security." They don't care about being replaced. These are not their primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue, which is this: ending the pain that comes with walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in—ending the constant threat of humiliation that comes inevitably with sharing a republic with Americans who do not or will not believe the authoritarians' lies about themselves.
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This sentence says it all from your writing, "They will cave almost instantly under the weight of the authority of government and civil society." It is exactly true, everyone must cave to the authority of the central government because they are the ones with the total backing of the news media and the access to unlimited firepower. Sounds like you are happy with an authoritarian government. If we don't roll over and play dead our government will see that we really become the dead. I think both Dem and Rep are both wanting to be in total charge of our lives and I also believe that the Dem side is the side with the more draconian laws.
Liberty Tree wrote:
Written by a real authoritarian Marxist
John Stoehr is on the editorial board of "alternet". Nuff said.
FallenOak wrote:
This sentence says it all from your writing, "They will cave almost instantly under the weight of the authority of government and civil society." It is exactly true, everyone must cave to the authority of the central government because they are the ones with the total backing of the news media and the access to unlimited firepower. Sounds like you are happy with an authoritarian government. If we don't roll over and play dead our government will see that we really become the dead. I think both Dem and Rep are both wanting to be in total charge of our lives and I also believe that the Dem side is the side with the more draconian laws.
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Both party’s are under the influence of big money and big power.
It’s us against them, not us against each other.
Milosia2 wrote:
Both party’s are under the influence of big money and big power.
It’s us against them, not us against each other.
That is why I always find someone from one of the third party candidates to v**e for. Every party who fields a candidate should be allowed to be in the debates.
Blade_Runner wrote:
John Stoehr is on the editorial board of "alternet". Nuff said.
That wasn’t nearly nuff said !
Can’t you do Any better than that ?
dtucker300 wrote:
IMPEACH BIDEN NOW!
Tell how is a minority in the house and senate going to accomplish an impeachment ?
There is plainly no end to The Tyranny of the Minority.
Milosia2 wrote:
John Stoehr August 04, 2021
Some among us, liberals mostly, appear to believe that a federally enforced v*****e mandate would backfire. This is not unreasonable. After all, the authoritarian holdouts who are prolonging the c***d p******c in this country tell us time and again they will resist getting v******ted because their individual rights and freedom demand it.
But a national mandate, or a patchwork of state and local mandates, as is usually the case in the United States, will have the opposite effect. I have no doubt about it. The authoritarians among us certainly seem exceptionally strong. After all, they are willing to die before "giving in." In fact, they are exceptionally frail and weak. They will cave almost instantly under the weight of the authority of government and civil society.
Liberals of the kind I consort with here on the east coast very rarely understand this, because liberals of the kind I consort with tend to give authoritarians the benefit of the doubt. It's very much to their credit that they believe authoritarians, like former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, when they go on Fox, as Gingrich did, to say the anti-American left would love to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts." When authoritarians like Gingrich say, "they want to get rid of us," the liberal response is to recognize fear and try easing it. We don't want to get rid of anyone, we liberals say. We want to make a country where everyone feels at home.
Authoritarians like Gingrich, however, do not fear i*****l i*******ts. They do not fear "demographic change." They do not fear the historic moment some time this century when the United States will become a minority-majority country. These are not primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions that they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue. If authoritarians do not fear these primarily, then what do they fear? It's so simple, so one dimensional as to be stupid. You're going to laugh. They fear they aren't great.
What on earth are you talking about, John? These are the same people who sacked and l**ted the United States Capitol in a bid to overturn a free, fair and full e******n. Too true, but consider this. Authoritarians tell each other staggering, howling lies about their imagined enemies, obviously, but more importantly about themselves. In every story about American history, they are the original victims and they are the ultimate heroes. This has always been the case. The authoritarians have always been with us. Social media has magnified the lies such that the lies now grow massive. Eventually, you don't know what's true. You don't care either. The lies, however, feel real good.
This is where yesterday's column comes in. I said authoritarians don't mind hurting themselves to gain political advantage because they are already hurting. Why? Because the lies they inhabit—about their enemies, about America as a white man's country and about themselves as the rightful inheritors of "democracy"—shatter every time the lies come in contact with what I call normal people. Normal people act as if the sky is blue! Normal people are extraordinarily dangerous to the integrity of your identity if you inhabit lies telling you all day every day the sky is mint green. Just walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in risks humiliation—of being wrong, because, you know, you believe lies. You won't stop lying, though. Lies feel too good. What you will do is try forcing normal people to believe your lies.
So when Newt Gingrich goes on Fox to accuse "the anti-American left" of wanting to "drown" "traditional Americans" in a sea of "i*****l i*******ts," it's tempting, if you're a liberal, to respond in a couple of ways. One, by easing the authoritarian's fear in some fashion, usually by saying immigration should be lawful and regulated but immigrants themselves are welcome. Or, two, by trying to dismiss fire-breathing r****ts like Gingrich on account of their being fire-breathing r****ts. While both approaches have merit, I think they are missing something huge, because, if you're a liberal, you might still be taking these authoritarians at their word. Don't do that.
The authoritarians among us don't care about "lawlessness." They don't care about "i*****l i*********n." They don't care about "border security." They don't care about being replaced. These are not their primary fears. These are secondary fears that justify taking actions they already want to pursue, but have not, until recent years, had the opportunity to pursue, which is this: ending the pain that comes with walking around in the same space and time that normal people are walking around in—ending the constant threat of humiliation that comes inevitably with sharing a republic with Americans who do not or will not believe the authoritarians' lies about themselves.
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