You people are so ill-informed; the only knowledge you ever attain is only within your own little American Evangelical bubble. The responses I have gotten here show a profound lack of biblical understanding and an arrogant unwillingness to expand your knowledge beyond your own bubble.
Marty 2020 wrote:
In the end men will call evil good and good evil.
Beware!
What are you talking about? What does that have to do with my last comment?
Marty 2020 wrote:
I read both examples and they never say angel of the Lord.
You better go to Sunday school.
Oh brother!!! That's because you're reading it in English, which obscures the real meaning. Try looking at the Hebrew.
Two passages of scripture disprove the whole speculative theory that "malak Yahweh" is the pre-incarnate son of God - Haggai 1:13 and Malachi 2:8. Check it out.
Zemirah wrote:
Everyone has an opinion. You are entitled to yours.
Your ability to read and comprehend the Holy Scriptures is dependent on the enlightenment provided you by the Holy Spirit, As you lean on Him.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
and do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
and he will make straight your paths.
Please don't attribute the foolish speculations of man to the enlightenment of the holy spirit.
Yes, I am well aware of this line of reasoning. The fact of the matter, though, is it is all speculation that goes far beyond what is written, whether from Jewish or Christian sages. A further fact is that no NT author ever states such a thing, never making any connection between Jesus, the son of God, and the supposed special being in the OT called "malak Yahweh". The truth of the matter, that is according to what is written, is that the designation "malak Yahweh'" applies to any and every agent of God whether human or celestial. Anything beyond this is simply speculation.
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2023/01/05/exodus-2320-23-who-is-the-angel/
Here is an article that examines what the Gospel of John means when it speaks of glory in relation to Jesus.
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2022/09/29/the-glory-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john/
Parky60 wrote:
Second to last sentence in the article:
"As a result we have now entered into a living hope, a confident expectation of sharing in this immortality with Jesus, who has gone before us, making possible our own future participation in the divine nature."
Show me biblical evidence where we will become gods.
I never said that we become gods. Participation in the divine nature (2Pet. 1:4) refers to becoming immortal.
Acts 3:15 is often misunderstood to mean that Jesus is the Creator of life, but this is not at all what the passage is saying. See why:
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2022/05/22/jesus-the-archegos-of-life/
Zemirah,
You need to read more carefully before you respond. I said the argument was antiquated not the scripture.And as for the Gill quote, so what, that is one man's obviously biased opinion. I quoted 7 scholars, and mentioned 2 others, all trinitarians, who disagree with Gill, and I could have quoted more. It is an outdated argument that most OT scholars today would not make; those are the facts.
Parky60 You said:
The consistent salutation of Paul in all his letters to churches was "grace and peace."
Right. And in every salutation he makes a clear distinction between God, whom he identifies as the Father, and Jesus the Messiah.
You said:
But in Revelation, this greeting from divine Persons becomes a benediction.
You are just reading your presupposition of trinitarianism into the text. It doesn't actually say that.
You said:
When you see the seven spirits, it's talking about the perfect Spirit (capital S), the complete Spirit. So, the seven Spirits (capital S) here mean the Holy Spirit that is before the throne of God.
Again, you are simply reading your predilections into the text. By what logic does "seven spirits" become the Holy Spirit? The fact that these seven spirits are before the throne of God destroys your assertion that they represent the HS. To be "before the throne" is a position of worship and service toward the one who sits on the throne. In the Revelation the 24 elders are before the throne, as is the great multitude in ch. 7, as are angels, as are th 144,000 in ch. 14, as are all the dead to be judged in ch. 20. All of these are created beings who are in submission to God. If the HS is a co-equal member of the Godhead why is he being pictured, from your perspective, beofre the throne of God instead of on the throne?
When John mentions Jesus Christ in v. 5 note that he doesn't ascribe deity to him but says he is "the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth." Please note also, that all through the book Jesus, the Lamb, is never seen sitting on the throne, but is always distinct from Him who sits on the throne.
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2022/02/23/does-genesis-126-prove-a-multiplicity-of-persons-in-god/
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2022/01/16/2-peter-11-titus-213-and-the-granville-sharp-rule-a-new-approach/