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Feb 11, 2020 17:23:21   #
rumitoid wrote:
Sorry, another comment: the author of this piece is not a non-believer but a prominent Christian professor at a well-known and respectable college. Why lie? Why pull this charade? Why so desperate to promote a sick attack on other believers?


God is explicitly clear that he will cast those who practice homosexuality into the lake of fire. Do you believe the professor or God?
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Feb 11, 2020 17:16:41   #
rumitoid wrote:
Chris Greenough, Senior Lecturer in Theology and Religion, Edge Hill University: https://www.yahoo.com/news/using-bible-against-lgbtq-people-145106662.html

The Church of England issued pastoral guidance from the House of Bishops to its clergy on January 23, following the legal introduction of heterosexual civil partnerships in 2019. While the guidance concerns heterosexual civil partners, the document has, controversially, been used by the church to reiterate its position on sexual relationships outside of heterosexual marriage. It states that “sexual relationships outside heterosexual marriage are regarded as falling short of God’s purpose for human beings”.

This is squarely in line with the church’s official position on homosexuality, which is that it is “incompatible with scripture”. We have seen recent attempts by liberal members to get the church to take a more inclusive approach towards gender and sexuality, but these have been rebuffed by conservatives. In October 2018, four bishops from the diocese of Oxford published guidance designed “to advise local clergy and congregations in order to support LGBTQ+ people and their families, and to learn from the insights of LGTBQ+ people about being church together”.

Several months later, more than a hundred “concerned Anglicans” signed an open letter criticising the guidance. The letter claimed that the attempt at inclusivity by the Oxford bishops actually served to exclude those who “hold to the traditional reading of scripture”. Their response stated:

We cannot see how it is right to accept as Christian leaders those who advocate lifestyles that are not consistent with New Testament teaching.

The letter writers may be referring to New Testament teaching from Paul’s letters in 1 Corinthians 6:9—10 and Romans 1:26-27 which describe how those who are “sexually immoral” will not enter the kingdom of God.

This example is one of the many cases where conservative Christians deploy biblical verses to bolster arguments against same-sex marriage, transgender identities, adoption and parenting by LGBTQ+ people.

Within the Bible, there are a number of texts which have been used as a weapon against LGBTQ+ people, known as “clobber texts” or “texts of terror”. But using biblical verses in this way is actually an abuse of scripture. It must stop, urgently. Many LGBTQ+ Christians struggle to reconcile their faith with their gender or sexual identities, which can lead to self-harm or suicide.

Not the Word of God
The Bible is often used as a source of authority, but it is misleading to call it “the word of God”. In fact, Christianity teaches that the word of God is not scripture, it is Jesus Christ.

As such, Jesus said nothing explicit about same-sex relationships or transgender people. In the New Testament, it is Paul who teaches about sexual morality, not Jesus. In 1 Corinthians 6:9 - 10, he said:

Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practise homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

While statements like these are cited by conservative Christians to support arguments against the sexual activities and relationships of LGBTQ+ people, it is important to note how Paul himself warns that such use of the Bible is dangerous. In 2 Corinthians 3: 6 Paul writes “for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life”.

In his provocative book, The Savage Text: The Use and Abuse of the Bible, theologian Adrian Thatcher cautions that Christians who mobilise the Bible to argue against the inclusion of others actually commit “bibliolatry” – worshipping the Bible instead of God.

Pick ‘n’ mix Bible?
Conservative Christians adopt a pick ‘n’ mix approach to scripture, selecting what appeals to suit their prejudices while ignoring other texts. The excerpt from Corinthians, above, lists alongside homosexuals, adulterers, the greedy and drunkards to just name a few. Thankfully, these and other offerings on the biblical buffet, such as divorce, owning slaves, and the role of women in the Church have, to some extent, been sympathetically re-interpreted by the church.

The Bible is complicated when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, as it is on many other issues. However, many other activities inconsistent with New Testament teaching don’t share the same airtime in religious discussions. There is no longer much concern, for example, about dressing modestly and inexpensively or getting drunk on wine. Besides, there are many inclusive LGBTQ+ readings of the Bible and interpretations of Christianity that raise new questions and have particular relevance for readers interested in LGBTQ+ issues.

One of the yardsticks for measuring how in touch the Church of England is with contemporary life lies in ongoing discussions about the acceptance and inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in the Church. However, the current situation shows the diminishing authority of the Church and the Bible in everyday life in the UK.

The Church of England faces a generational crisis, with only 2% of young people identifying with it in the UK. The decline points to how the Church’s current position is seemingly hostile and incompatible with socially liberal views, particularly those towards LGBTQ+ people.

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.
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Have you heard of the word "Repent." We all are born with an appetite for sin. We must repent or stop sinning in order to be saved.
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Feb 11, 2020 16:22:03   #
slatten49 wrote:
One stand-out in that link's article is that the American Thinker correctly referred to the USA as being a 'democratic republic', which has been falsely refuted on this forum many times.

From the link: "That's not a cult; it's literally the definition of a Democratic Republic — we v**e for representatives to do what we want them to do. If they don't, we v**e for others who will."


America is a pluralistic democracy founded and based upon a Christian Republic. To change its foundation would necessitate a change of name.
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Feb 6, 2020 12:36:28   #
Why would any one who served in the military v**e for socialism?
Why would any Christian v**e for immoralty?
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Feb 5, 2020 16:10:11   #
American Vet wrote:


This type of activity is an example of interfering with the e******ns.
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Feb 5, 2020 15:50:42   #
Many democratic v**ers don't realize that they are Americans. In fact, many of our youth who were born in the United States do not realize it either.
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Feb 5, 2020 15:31:43   #
dtucker300 wrote:
God, They do so love to hear themselves talk. I hope DOJ picks up where the impeachment ends and serves indictments to everyone who was involved.



If Donald is removed from office, Mike will become President until the end of Donald's term. I am praying that the Senate acquits Donald, and forgive Hillary for her temper tantrums. She was been distraught since the last e******n and has been trying to get revenge on Donald. Although she almost caused "a major earthquake", she served as First Lady of the United States of America for 8 years.

(This email is not meant to convey the message that Mike would not make a great President, but rather that the Republicans would still control the Presidency if Donald was removed from office.
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Feb 3, 2020 21:28:37   #
Revelations 9:20,21
The Sixth Trumpet
…20Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
21Furthermore, they did not repent of their murder, sorcery, sexual immorality, and theft.

https://biblehub.com/revelation/9-21.htm

15 Bible Verses about the Consequences of Sexual Immorality
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# 1. Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her. --Leviticus 18:20

# 2. But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself. --Proverbs 6:32



# 3. your adulteries and lustful neighings, your shameless prostitution! I have seen your detestable acts on the hills and in the fields. Woe to you, O Jerusalem! How long will you be unclean?" --Jeremiah 13:27

# 4. I will not show my love to her children, because they are the children of adultery.--Hosea 2:4

# 5. "So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty. --Malachi 3:5

# 6. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. --1st Corinthians 6:9-10

# 7. Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." --1st Corinthians 6:16

# 8. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. --1 Corinthians 6:18

# 9. We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. --1 Corinthians 10:8

# 10. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. --Ephesians 5:5

# 11. Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. --Hebrews 13:4

# 12. You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. --James 4:4

# 13. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexualimmorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.--Jude 1:7

# 14. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. --Revelation 2:22

# 15. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the





second death. --Revelation 21:8


https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Sexual-Immorality/

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-What-Is-Sexual-Immorality/
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Jan 29, 2020 16:25:36   #
Medicare for all would place our nation in a socialistic predicament. Every patient would have to be registered with the government in order to receive treatment or services. This would call for the rationing of medical care for all. Any national agreement with leaders of the one world government would place our health in the fate of government officials rather than in our own selves.

The term socialism refers to any system in which the production and distribution of goods and services is a shared responsibility of a group of people. Socialism is based upon economic and political theories that advocate for collectivism. In a state of socialism, there is no privately owned property.

Capitalism is an economic system characterized by private ownership of the means of production, especially in the industrial sector. Capitalism depends on the enforcement of private property rights, which provide incentives for investment in and productive use of productive capital.

The Socialist are using the Democratic party to deceive the American people into handing over our property rights to them. And in more than one way.
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Jan 29, 2020 16:22:35   #
Raybe wrote:
The topic of conversation should be: can a practicing Muslim hold to the Constitution. Does their faith keep them from keeping their oath of office. Does this person demonstrate in their life the love of this country, our f**g, our people. I’m not an advocate of the Muslim faith but I am of the freedom we have of Religion. The great thing about America is the rights and freedom’s guaranteed in our constitution.


I agree with you.
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Jan 28, 2020 16:28:47   #
The question should be "How could Christians support the Democratic Party?" God established the morals principles we are to live by. It is He who will judge the ungodly on Judgement Day. How could Christians v**e against moral issues and expect to make it to heaven (or New Jerusalem) which is a moral place? Furthermore, how could Christians v**e against morality without v****g against God and how he says we should live? This war is not about choice. This is war with God: the Almighty; the Creator.
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Jan 28, 2020 16:04:28   #
The millennium reign comes after the bowls of wrath are poured out upon the earth and Satan is bound for 1,000 years.

Thus; in the order of sequence,


The 144,000 are sealed in their foreheads
The trumpets sound
The 1st resurrection along with the rapture occurs at the time of the last (or 7th) trumpet
The bowls of wrath are poured out upon the earth
Satan is bound
King Jesus (the true Christ) reigns for 1,000 years

I will send another reply after I discover where the two beasts fit into this sequence of events. If anybody have any thoughts on this sequence of events, please reply. I am not God. I have not seen a vision. This paradigm is not meant to be taken as fact. I am only trying to uncover the true sequence of end time events.
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Jan 28, 2020 15:17:38   #
Mr. Rogers wrote:
The rapture occurs at the last trump which is after the 144,000 are sealed and the two witnesses are killed (see Revelations 11: 14, 15 above). And after the mark of the beast and after Satan is initially bound for 1,000 years.

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
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Jan 28, 2020 12:19:10   #
The rapture occurs at the last trump which is after the 144,000 are sealed and the two witnesses are killed (see Revelations 11: 14, 15 above). And after the mark of the beast and after Satan is bound for 1,000 years.

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
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Jan 28, 2020 12:09:28   #
Zemirah wrote:
Isaiah 1:18 ►
"Come now, and let us reason together, said the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."


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Topic Title: Amillenniallism vs premillienalism

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(which stereotypically denies the precious individuality with which every human being is endowed at birth)

followed by a reiteration of the same repetitious (recycled) unsustainable arguments, which I had already Biblically refuted;

although, I enjoy, in all humility and meekness, communicating with my fellow seekers and believers, the ecstatic worshiper and the stoic recluse, the unwashed and illiterate, the educated and fashionable, the congenial and the hermit, wherever encountered,

the selectively ignorant, peculiarly unreasoning, and painstakingly illogical, not so much.

In full recognition, in Christian love, of God's gift of free will to each of us, I shake the dust from my feet, and wash from my hands the time and effort expended.
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My quotes are from the bible. Your argument is not with me. It is with the word of God and the God who proclaimed it.
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