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Dec 22, 2019 15:20:36   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
Posters keep posting about the last days. There are three dominant interpretations of the last days . Amillennialism, premillennialism post millennialism . thoughts

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Dec 23, 2019 02:02:37   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Fodaoson wrote:
Posters keep posting about the last days. There are three dominant interpretations of the last days . Amillennialism, premillennialism post millennialism . thoughts


Not concerned...

It comes when it comes....

Loving the wait...

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Dec 23, 2019 03:06:33   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Fodaoson, These three terms are all based on different interpretations of the same Scripture, Revelation, Chapter 20, and they bear defining:

One of the most fascinating subjects and most heated discussions within Christian theology is eschatology, otherwise known as the study of the end times. There are three major interpretations of the relationship between Jesus Christ’s Second Coming and the 1,000-year millennial period described in Revelation 19 and 20– premillennialism, postmillennialism and amillennialism.


1.Amillennialism is the name given to the belief that there WILL NOT BE a literal millennium (1,000-year reign of Christ) following his 2nd coming (return to earth). The people who hold to this belief are called Amillennialists.

Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church(??), and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return.

Again, Amillennialism (Greek: a-"no" + millennialism), or amillenarism, in Christian eschatology, affirms the millennial reign of Christ began after his ascension and will continue until Christ's return, in other words, that it is taking place now.


2.Premillennialism, in Christian eschatology, is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the Earth (the Second Coming) before the Millennium, a literal thousand-year golden age of peace.

Premillennialism teaches a literal interpretation of the end times, seeing the events in Revelation, chapters 19 and 20, as a progressive chronology of twelve phases, which will take place in the future.

Premillennialism holds to a literal interpretation of the end times. It sees the events in Revelation 19-20 as a futuristic, progressive chronology, which include:

The Rapture

The rise of a single antichrist

A 7-year tribulation

The Second Coming of Christ

The Battle of Armageddon

The judgment of the antichrist and the binding of Satan

The resurrection of the dead

The establishment of a 1,000-year reign of peace (the Millennium)

The release of Satan and one final rebellion

The final judgment

And finally:

The beginning of the New Heaven and the New Earth (“the eternal state”)


Historic versus Dispensationalist Premillennialism

Within premillennialism, adherents are divided into “Historic” (or “Covenant”) Premillennialists (CP), and “Dispensational” Premillennialists (DP). Both groups fall under “premillennialism” because they believe that the Second Coming will occur prior to the 1,000-year millennial period. However, there are significant differences between these two perspectives, regarding the rapture and modern-day Israel.


3.Postmillennialism, or Postmillenarism, in Christian end-times theology (eschatology), sees Christ's second coming as occurring after (Latin= Post) the "Millennium", a Golden Age in which Christian ethics prosper, but without Christ's physical presence.

Postmillennialist believes that the millennium is a future era (not a literal thousand years) during which Christ will reign over the earth, but NOT from a literal and earthly throne, but, rather through the gradual effect of the Gospel's power to change lives; brought about, in other words, through the human effort of His church leaders.

Again, Postmillennialism is one interpretation of Revelation chapter 20, just as are both Amillennialism and Premillennialism. All are different views of the same Scripture.



Fodaoson wrote:
Posters keep posting about the last days. There are three dominant interpretations of the last days . Amillennialism, premillennialism post millennialism . thoughts

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Dec 23, 2019 04:34:37   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
Fodaoson, These three terms are all based on different interpretations of the same Scripture, Revelation, Chapter 20, and they bear defining:

One of the most fascinating subjects and most heated discussions within Christian theology is eschatology, otherwise known as the study of the end times. There are three major interpretations of the relationship between Jesus Christ’s Second Coming and the 1,000-year millennial period described in Revelation 19 and 20– premillennialism, postmillennialism and amillennialism.


1.Amillennialism is the name given to the belief that there WILL NOT BE a literal millennium (1,000-year reign of Christ) following his 2nd coming (return to earth). The people who hold to this belief are called Amillennialists.

Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church(??), and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return.

Again, Amillennialism (Greek: a-"no" + millennialism), or amillenarism, in Christian eschatology, affirms the millennial reign of Christ began after his ascension and will continue until Christ's return, in other words, that it is taking place now.


2.Premillennialism, in Christian eschatology, is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the Earth (the Second Coming) before the Millennium, a literal thousand-year golden age of peace.

Premillennialism teaches a literal interpretation of the end times, seeing the events in Revelation, chapters 19 and 20, as a progressive chronology of twelve phases, which will take place in the future.

Premillennialism holds to a literal interpretation of the end times. It sees the events in Revelation 19-20 as a futuristic, progressive chronology, which include:

The Rapture

The rise of a single antichrist

A 7-year tribulation

The Second Coming of Christ

The Battle of Armageddon

The judgment of the antichrist and the binding of Satan

The resurrection of the dead

The establishment of a 1,000-year reign of peace (the Millennium)

The release of Satan and one final rebellion

The final judgment

And finally:

The beginning of the New Heaven and the New Earth (“the eternal state”)


Historic versus Dispensationalist Premillennialism

Within premillennialism, adherents are divided into “Historic” (or “Covenant”) Premillennialists (CP), and “Dispensational” Premillennialists (DP). Both groups fall under “premillennialism” because they believe that the Second Coming will occur prior to the 1,000-year millennial period. However, there are significant differences between these two perspectives, regarding the rapture and modern-day Israel.


3.Postmillennialism, or Postmillenarism, in Christian end-times theology (eschatology), sees Christ's second coming as occurring after (Latin= Post) the "Millennium", a Golden Age in which Christian ethics prosper, but without Christ's physical presence.

Postmillennialist believes that the millennium is a future era (not a literal thousand years) during which Christ will reign over the earth, but NOT from a literal and earthly throne, but, rather through the gradual effect of the Gospel's power to change lives; brought about, in other words, through the human effort of His church leaders.

Again, Postmillennialism is one interpretation of Revelation chapter 20, just as are both Amillennialism and Premillennialism. All are different views of the same Scripture.
Fodaoson, These three terms are all based on diffe... (show quote)



And you belong to which group?

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Dec 23, 2019 14:26:19   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
None of the above, all the above. When and if it happens it happens

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Dec 23, 2019 20:27:35   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I read the Bible, believing it literally and historically, and I acknowledge the common sense instilled within it by the God and Creator of Common Sense, Yahweh, the great I Am.

I do not attempt to combine with it the filters of pagan Greek philosophers, or Stoics or Gnostics.

God's Word is sufficient and it is complete, including it's Prophecy, which is between 1/3 to 1/4 of the total Bible.

Does not God say: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped unto all good works."

(2nd Timothy 3:16-17)

Amillennialism is the belief of Roman Catholicism, it is also common among Protestant denominations such as the Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican, Methodist and many Messianic Jews. It represents the historical position of the Amish , Old Order Mennonite , and Conservative Mennonites (though among the more modern groups premillennialism has made inroads).

Christianity became the official religion of Rome in the fourth century C.E. Augustine, who was heavily influenced by Aristotle, believed in Amillennialism. Premillennialism was declared a heresy at the Council of Ephesus (431 A.D.)
Amillennialism soon became the prevailing doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church and premillennialism was suppressed.


Historical Premillennialism: This belief was held by a large percentage of Christians "during the first three centuries of the Christian era, and is found in the works of Papias, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Methodius, Commodianus, and Lactanitus."

Today, Dispensationalist premillennialists tend to be most prevalent in baptist, charismatic, and non-denominational churches. The largest baptist and charismatic denominations (i.e., the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God) do not dictate a firm stance on their pre-tribulation, pre-millennial rapture belief.
Sizable denominations and associations of churches that specifically hold to this doctrine.
Associations:
National Association of Evangelicals,
Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches of North America,
Pentecostal World Conference,
Christian Churches Together,
World Pentecostal Holiness Fellowship

At the end of the age, the Antichrist first appears on earth and the seven year Tribulation begins.
Next comes the Rapture. Christ and his Church return to earth to rule for a Millennium. The faithful will then spend eternity in the New Jerusalem, which will have descended to Earth.
The forces of evil will have been conquered. The faithful will live during this thousand years of peace in Jerusalem.
After this period, all other people are judged.

Postmillennialism was a dominant theological belief among American Protestants who promoted reform movements in the 19th and 20th century such as abolitionism and the Social Gospel. Postmillennialism has become one of the key tenets of a movement known as Christian Reconstructionism. It has been criticized by 20th century religious conservatives as an attempt to immanentize the eschaton.

In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world. In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)". Theologically the belief is akin to Postmillennialism

Postmillennialism was a favorite belief of some of the Protestant Reformers, including John Calvin. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, was also a postmillennialist, as were several Reformed theologians around the turn of the 20th century such as B.B. Warfield. R.J. Rushdooney is the leading modern postmillennialist thinker. A close follower is Gary North.




Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And you belong to which group?

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Dec 23, 2019 21:52:44   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
The American Presbyterian Church is included in those denominations that teach Postmillennialism.

They state, in contradiction of all present evidence to the contrary: "The world will slowly become better and better as the gospel converts the nations."

Their Essential Definition: "The millennium, the prophesied era of peace, righteousness, and prosperity, will take place without the personal presence of Christ, through the agency of the church, before the visible glorious return of Christ at the end of the age.

The nations will be converted and the world Christianized and brought under God’s law, through the preaching of the gospel.

Christ will return at the end of the millennium, hence a postmillennial return."




Zemirah wrote:
I read the Bible, believing it literally and historically, and I acknowledge the common sense instilled within it by the God and Creator of Common Sense, Yahweh, the great I Am.

I do not attempt to combine with it the filters of pagan Greek philosophers, or Stoics or Gnostics.

God's Word is sufficient and it is complete, including it's Prophecy, which is between 1/3 to 1/4 of the total Bible.

Does not God say: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped unto all good works."

(2nd Timothy 3:16-17)

Amillennialism is the belief of Roman Catholicism, it is also common among Protestant denominations such as the Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican, Methodist and many Messianic Jews. It represents the historical position of the Amish , Old Order Mennonite , and Conservative Mennonites (though among the more modern groups premillennialism has made inroads).

Christianity became the official religion of Rome in the fourth century C.E. Augustine, who was heavily influenced by Aristotle, believed in Amillennialism. Premillennialism was declared a heresy at the Council of Ephesus (431 A.D.)
Amillennialism soon became the prevailing doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church and premillennialism was suppressed.


Historical Premillennialism: This belief was held by a large percentage of Christians "during the first three centuries of the Christian era, and is found in the works of Papias, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Methodius, Commodianus, and Lactanitus."

Today, Dispensationalist premillennialists tend to be most prevalent in baptist, charismatic, and non-denominational churches. The largest baptist and charismatic denominations (i.e., the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God) do not dictate a firm stance on their pre-tribulation, pre-millennial rapture belief.
Sizable denominations and associations of churches that specifically hold to this doctrine.
Associations:
National Association of Evangelicals,
Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches of North America,
Pentecostal World Conference,
Christian Churches Together,
World Pentecostal Holiness Fellowship

At the end of the age, the Antichrist first appears on earth and the seven year Tribulation begins.
Next comes the Rapture. Christ and his Church return to earth to rule for a Millennium. The faithful will then spend eternity in the New Jerusalem, which will have descended to Earth.
The forces of evil will have been conquered. The faithful will live during this thousand years of peace in Jerusalem.
After this period, all other people are judged.

Postmillennialism was a dominant theological belief among American Protestants who promoted reform movements in the 19th and 20th century such as abolitionism and the Social Gospel. Postmillennialism has become one of the key tenets of a movement known as Christian Reconstructionism. It has been criticized by 20th century religious conservatives as an attempt to immanentize the eschaton.

In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world. In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)". Theologically the belief is akin to Postmillennialism

Postmillennialism was a favorite belief of some of the Protestant Reformers, including John Calvin. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, was also a postmillennialist, as were several Reformed theologians around the turn of the 20th century such as B.B. Warfield. R.J. Rushdooney is the leading modern postmillennialist thinker. A close follower is Gary North.
I read the Bible, believing it literally and histo... (show quote)

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Jan 15, 2020 15:10:39   #
Mr. Rogers
 
Zemirah wrote:
Fodaoson, These three terms are all based on different interpretations of the same Scripture, Revelation, Chapter 20, and they bear defining:

One of the most fascinating subjects and most heated discussions within Christian theology is eschatology, otherwise known as the study of the end times. There are three major interpretations of the relationship between Jesus Christ’s Second Coming and the 1,000-year millennial period described in Revelation 19 and 20– premillennialism, postmillennialism and amillennialism.


1.Amillennialism is the name given to the belief that there WILL NOT BE a literal millennium (1,000-year reign of Christ) following his 2nd coming (return to earth). The people who hold to this belief are called Amillennialists.

Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church(??), and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return.

Again, Amillennialism (Greek: a-"no" + millennialism), or amillenarism, in Christian eschatology, affirms the millennial reign of Christ began after his ascension and will continue until Christ's return, in other words, that it is taking place now.


2.Premillennialism, in Christian eschatology, is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the Earth (the Second Coming) before the Millennium, a literal thousand-year golden age of peace.

Premillennialism teaches a literal interpretation of the end times, seeing the events in Revelation, chapters 19 and 20, as a progressive chronology of twelve phases, which will take place in the future.

Premillennialism holds to a literal interpretation of the end times. It sees the events in Revelation 19-20 as a futuristic, progressive chronology, which include:

The Rapture

The rise of a single antichrist

A 7-year tribulation

The Second Coming of Christ

The Battle of Armageddon

The judgment of the antichrist and the binding of Satan

The resurrection of the dead

The establishment of a 1,000-year reign of peace (the Millennium)

The release of Satan and one final rebellion

The final judgment

And finally:

The beginning of the New Heaven and the New Earth (“the eternal state”)


Historic versus Dispensationalist Premillennialism

Within premillennialism, adherents are divided into “Historic” (or “Covenant”) Premillennialists (CP), and “Dispensational” Premillennialists (DP). Both groups fall under “premillennialism” because they believe that the Second Coming will occur prior to the 1,000-year millennial period. However, there are significant differences between these two perspectives, regarding the rapture and modern-day Israel.


3.Postmillennialism, or Postmillenarism, in Christian end-times theology (eschatology), sees Christ's second coming as occurring after (Latin= Post) the "Millennium", a Golden Age in which Christian ethics prosper, but without Christ's physical presence.

Postmillennialist believes that the millennium is a future era (not a literal thousand years) during which Christ will reign over the earth, but NOT from a literal and earthly throne, but, rather through the gradual effect of the Gospel's power to change lives; brought about, in other words, through the human effort of His church leaders.

Again, Postmillennialism is one interpretation of Revelation chapter 20, just as are both Amillennialism and Premillennialism. All are different views of the same Scripture.
Fodaoson, These three terms are all based on diffe... (show quote)


I agree with premillennialism. But perceive that the 1st resurrection and the rapture are part of the same event that takes place immediately after the great tribulation which is adjured by the anti-christ. Jesus Christ comes in the air to take his bride during the time the anti-christ is sitting on the throne in the temple of God as if he were God. Then the wrath of God is poured out on those who have the mark of the beast, his name, or the number of his name. Please reply.

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Jan 15, 2020 15:21:55   #
Mr. Rogers
 
Zemirah wrote:
I read the Bible, believing it literally and historically, and I acknowledge the common sense instilled within it by the God and Creator of Common Sense, Yahweh, the great I Am.

I do not attempt to combine with it the filters of pagan Greek philosophers, or Stoics or Gnostics.

God's Word is sufficient and it is complete, including it's Prophecy, which is between 1/3 to 1/4 of the total Bible.

Does not God say: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped unto all good works."

(2nd Timothy 3:16-17)

Amillennialism is the belief of Roman Catholicism, it is also common among Protestant denominations such as the Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican, Methodist and many Messianic Jews. It represents the historical position of the Amish , Old Order Mennonite , and Conservative Mennonites (though among the more modern groups premillennialism has made inroads).

Christianity became the official religion of Rome in the fourth century C.E. Augustine, who was heavily influenced by Aristotle, believed in Amillennialism. Premillennialism was declared a heresy at the Council of Ephesus (431 A.D.)
Amillennialism soon became the prevailing doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church and premillennialism was suppressed.


Historical Premillennialism: This belief was held by a large percentage of Christians "during the first three centuries of the Christian era, and is found in the works of Papias, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Methodius, Commodianus, and Lactanitus."

Today, Dispensationalist premillennialists tend to be most prevalent in baptist, charismatic, and non-denominational churches. The largest baptist and charismatic denominations (i.e., the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God) do not dictate a firm stance on their pre-tribulation, pre-millennial rapture belief.
Sizable denominations and associations of churches that specifically hold to this doctrine.
Associations:
National Association of Evangelicals,
Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches of North America,
Pentecostal World Conference,
Christian Churches Together,
World Pentecostal Holiness Fellowship

At the end of the age, the Antichrist first appears on earth and the seven year Tribulation begins.
Next comes the Rapture. Christ and his Church return to earth to rule for a Millennium. The faithful will then spend eternity in the New Jerusalem, which will have descended to Earth.
The forces of evil will have been conquered. The faithful will live during this thousand years of peace in Jerusalem.
After this period, all other people are judged.

Postmillennialism was a dominant theological belief among American Protestants who promoted reform movements in the 19th and 20th century such as abolitionism and the Social Gospel. Postmillennialism has become one of the key tenets of a movement known as Christian Reconstructionism. It has been criticized by 20th century religious conservatives as an attempt to immanentize the eschaton.

In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world. In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)". Theologically the belief is akin to Postmillennialism

Postmillennialism was a favorite belief of some of the Protestant Reformers, including John Calvin. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, was also a postmillennialist, as were several Reformed theologians around the turn of the 20th century such as B.B. Warfield. R.J. Rushdooney is the leading modern postmillennialist thinker. A close follower is Gary North.
I read the Bible, believing it literally and histo... (show quote)


Christ said "go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15). Jesus will reign as king of the earth when he returns.

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Jan 15, 2020 15:32:58   #
Mr. Rogers
 
Zemirah wrote:
The American Presbyterian Church is included in those denominations that teach Postmillennialism.

They state, in contradiction of all present evidence to the contrary: "The world will slowly become better and better as the gospel converts the nations."

Their Essential Definition: "The millennium, the prophesied era of peace, righteousness, and prosperity, will take place without the personal presence of Christ, through the agency of the church, before the visible glorious return of Christ at the end of the age.

The nations will be converted and the world Christianized and brought under God’s law, through the preaching of the gospel.

Christ will return at the end of the millennium, hence a postmillennial return."
The American Presbyterian Church is included in th... (show quote)


Satan will capture the minds and hearts of the loss and cause Christians to be killed. Two witnesses shall prophesy for 1,260 days during this time of great tribulation and Christ will return TO SET UP HIS MILLENNIAL REIGN some time shortly after they have been resurrected from the dead.

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Jan 15, 2020 23:01:35   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Interesting.

This is not my thread, but as you addressed me, I'm happy to reply.

Thank you, Mr. Rogers, for sharing your belief on the rapture and the millennial... but without giving a Biblical reference, i.e., chapter or verse, or any other source for your opinion.

You appear to have conflated a portion of 1st Thessalonians, 2nd Thessalonians, the 11th chapter of Daniel, and at least two verses from the 4th chapter of the book of Revelation.

The 1st resurrection (of the dead in Christ) takes place at the time of the Rapture, and also, the Rapture IS the coming of Christ in the air for His bride.

It can not take place both after the 1st three and one half years of the seven year tribulation, when the anti-Christ presents himself as God, and also after the seven year tribulation.

It is either pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib, not two out of three.

Would you care to elaborate on why you believe as you stated?



Mr. Rogers wrote:
I agree with premillennialism. But perceive that the 1st resurrection and the rapture are part of the same event that takes place immediately after the great tribulation which is adjured by the anti-christ. Jesus Christ comes in the air to take his bride during the time the anti-christ is sitting on the throne in the temple of God as if he were God. Then the wrath of God is poured out on those who have the mark of the beast, his name, or the number of his name. Please reply.

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Jan 15, 2020 23:17:22   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I appear to have overlooked your question last month, when you posed it, Canuckus.

I'm a born-again, Bible-believing, Evangelical Christian, which should inform you, as astute as you are, of the correct answer to your question.

Whichever of these beliefs can be substantiated from Holy Scripture, is the stance to which I adhere.


Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And you belong to which group?

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Jan 16, 2020 17:52:34   #
Mr. Rogers
 
Zemirah wrote:
Interesting.

This is not my thread, but as you addressed me, I'm happy to reply.

Thank you, Mr. Rogers, for sharing your belief on the rapture and the millennial... but without giving a Biblical reference, i.e., chapter or verse, or any other source for your opinion.

You appear to have conflated a portion of 1st Thessalonians, 2nd Thessalonians, the 11th chapter of Daniel, and at least two verses from the 4th chapter of the book of Revelation.

The 1st resurrection (of the dead in Christ) takes place at the time of the Rapture, and also, the Rapture IS the coming of Christ in the air for His bride.

It can not take place both after the 1st three and one half years of the seven year tribulation, when the anti-Christ presents himself as God, and also after the seven year tribulation.

It is either pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib, not two out of three.

Would you care to elaborate on why you believe as you stated?
Interesting. br br This is not my thread, but as ... (show quote)


From my understanding of the scriptures. Jesus comes back after the 7 years of the tribulation have been completed. The anti-christ will be sitting on the throne in the temple at Jerusalem. Jesus will take away his bride (the 1st resurrection and the rapture, simultaneously) and then God will have his angels pour out the bowls of wrath upon the earth. Please reply.

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Jan 16, 2020 18:00:29   #
Mr. Rogers
 
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
King James Version
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Jan 16, 2020 18:03:08   #
Mr. Rogers
 
Revelation 15
King James Version
15 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

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