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May 2, 2024 19:00:01   #
Rose42 wrote:
I know numerous trump supporters and none are bigots or w***e s*********ts

1. You probably know less than .001% of the Trump supporters out there well enough to say if they are or aren't bigots.
2. Most bigots don't realize that they are bigots. This is especially the case with older people who come from a time when certain lines of bigotry were considered normal.
3. You don't need to say "bigots or w***e s*********ts" because w***e s*********ts ARE bigots. One of many varieties.

Bigotry doesn't have to be h**eful either... From a political standpoint, the key is whether or not you support policies that deny e******y for some people based on a prejudice about their race, culture, sex or religion. You can be the nicest lady in town... all apples pies and smiles but you can still be a bigot if you have issues with things like same-sex marriage.

Oh, I'm sorry is that God's little rule? 'Got some news for you... there are Christian denominations that don't have a problem with same-sex marriage... Those that do are hiding their bigotry behind the big God-excuse.

Rose42 wrote:

This is another case of people who may be intelligent but they’re still suckered by propaganda.

There's no propaganda here (aside from my own). I am simply postulating based on my own observations which are probably as limited as yours. I am mostly going by the opinions that I hear or read from Trump supporters and a logical theory that there can only be two real reasons why anyone would still support Trump... either they are very wealthy or they are motivated to some degree by bigotry.
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May 2, 2024 18:27:10   #
Justice101 wrote:
So, by YOUR logic are you implying that the B****s and Hispanics who are abandoning Biden for Trump some sort of bigots?

By my stated "logic", there is a 10% margin of Trump supporters who are not bigots and my bet is that you could fit the black v**ers in there. I would also assume that many of them are indeed motivated by some level of prejudice. Bigotry isn't limited to just white people. As for the Hispanics... same thing, except I don't know if they would all fit in that 10%. Interesting how you assumed I would think b****s and Hispanics are beyond bigotry.

So... I'm not standing on these numbers - I *did* say "if I had to guess" - so it's not even logic... it's a guess. But, your comment doesn't really do much to push my guess out of reason.
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May 2, 2024 18:14:19   #
Parky60 wrote:
And yet Biden and his moronic followers blame it on "corporate greed".

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-05/biden-blames-corporate-greed-as-driver-of-us-inflation

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/mar/18/biden-points-finger-at-corporate-greed-as-inflatio/

And so on and so on...

Aren't you the one who insulted someone earlier for parroting? You said, "but all he ever does is parrot what he reads." So, in your very next post, you wind up doing the same thing. Actually it's worse, you don't even write the words you just post links, as if that means something.

Let me explain how stupid it is to simply post links. For one, I can't even read the Bloomberg article because there's a pay wall and I'm not going to pay for yet another subscription just to read something you linked to.

Secondly, you fail to point out any smoking guns in either article. The Washington Times article says the main culprit of inflation is government spending, but it doesn't explain how. Just that it is. And to enforce this baseless assumption, the author states that this is the opinion of economists, but when I look for sources, I noticed the isn't any. He doesn't actually mention ANY economists at all. He simply says that "many economists say".

Well there are thousands and thousands of economists who all disagree with each other and most of them are i***ts anyway.

So where does that leave us?

I know where it leaves me... brimming with confidence that government spending is NOT the main culprit and that Biden is correct in blaming corporate greed for at least some of it and that the Washington Times is a hack.

All you have to do is look at the total sum of public debt (often referred to as the national debt) and compare that to the total sum of private debt because both these sources of debt pump money into our economy, thereby affecting inflation.

In 2022 the national debt was at $31.42 trillion but private debt added up to $62.08 trillion, about twice as much. So we can already debunk the claim that government spending is "the main culprit" with very simple math.

"some economists say"... lol -what a hack.

Even if it were... the national debt is the accumulation of deficits concurrent with many presidents including Trump. Have a look at this jelly bean...

https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2024/5/2/649275-deficits2020.jpg

Nevermind the future years... this chart was used to support a forecast of the effects of extending Trump's tax cuts. But the years leading up to now show us that the biggest deficit was in 2020, during the p******c and it was the result of record government spending that year and guess who was still in office?

So, unless you want me to keep shooting holes through your narrative, I would either come up with a real solid argument or just stop. And don't just pull headlines out of the box either, obviously, I can shoot holes through crackpot journalism too.
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May 2, 2024 13:55:21   #
son of witless wrote:
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I imagine the best way you can force yourself to v**e for Joe Biden's continued failures is to tell yourself that only bigots and w***e s*********ts support Trump.


I *do* have problems with Biden but I also appreciate a lot of what he has done. So it's a mixed bag for me. But what "forces" me to v**e for him is my concern for another 4 years of Trump, who I have a LOT of problems with and can't think of a single thing he did that I can appreciate.

As for my comment about the fanatic support that Trump gets from bigots... I was clearly referring to bigots... as in, what my sentence actually says. Just because he gets fanatic support from bigots doesn't mean that only bigots support him.

But since you're bringing up this false dilemma, I'm going to quantify it. I think that his 2016 deficit in the popular v**e was only 3 million because there were a LOT of Americans that are NOT bigots that v**ed for him for other reasons. But I think that after 4 years of his presidency a LOT of those v**ers changed their minds about him, which may help explain why his deficit in 2020 increased to 8 million v**es.

I think the more we learn about Trump the more he depends on bigotry to continue supporting him. If I had to guess, I would say his support in 2016 was 40% driven by bigotry and in 2020 it was maybe 70%. Since then with all his e******n denial BS and his criminal cases, I would guess that 90% of the people still standing by his side like good little soldiers are in fact bigots.

That doesn't mean these bigots are all the type that would lynch black people (although some of them are). Many of them are what my friend calls "polite bigots" which was a reference to my own mother, a British conservative who is outwardly respectful toward everyone but struggled when my brother married a Jew and when Prince Harry married a women carrying black DNA.

So bigotry runs a broad spectrum... it basically applies to any form of prejudice, whether intentional or ingrained... From those who commit h**e crimes to those who would prefer that the government do the dirty work of keeping "other people" in "other places".

90% at least... I would bet on it.
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May 2, 2024 13:05:43   #
microphor wrote:
We are too busy watching Biden.Destroy america to worry about donald trump screwing it over

I don't know what you're "watching" but everytime I read something from you people about how Biden is "destroying America", it's always an unproven conspiracy theory, or a reflection of your ignorance, for instance blaming Biden for the post-p******c inflation.
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May 2, 2024 12:23:49   #
Parky60 wrote:
Of course you'll come to the defense of one of your biggest fans who may be a "person of a few words" but all he ever does is parrot what he reads.

Anyway, it's time to go back to breezing by your verbose and arrogant posts that you think are so clever and intelligent.

Of course... I wouldn't expect you to stand toe to toe with me. Ignoring my arguments and attempting to insult me instead seems more your speed.

Parky60 wrote:

Like I said, you're not very wise and I'm a little forgetful because I forgot that you're a waste of my time.

Don't blame me for wasting your time. You don't HAVE to read or respond to my posts. That's all on you.

'hope that wasn't too many words for you
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May 2, 2024 12:16:29   #
PeterS wrote:
Yeah, but to be indicted you do something wrong; violate the rule of law.

Actually, Buzzy is correct. An indictment is just an accusation.

PeterS wrote:

None of this came out of the blue. He didn't simply look at Stormy Daniels and was indicted. Now if you don't understand? All rules of law extend from our constitution. That's really its purpose, to give us the legal structure for the country to follow.

Yeah, I gotta step in here too. All rules do NOT extend from our constitution. Our laws... the U.S.Code, for example, is actually based more on Common Law, which we inherited from England. The legal structure that the U.S. Constitution establishes is limited to how the government operates. In fact nothing in our constitution applies to us as citizens at all. You can think of the Constitution as "the rules the government follows", while everyone else follows the U.S.Code and the gazillion laws defined at state and local levels.

PeterS wrote:

Now remember, when Trump took his oath he swore to the god he so loves to uphold the constitution and the rule of law.

Correct. This is why servicemen and politicians all take an oath to uphold the Constitution as a condition for talking the job. The job itself is part of the government. If you don't work for the government you are not subjected to the rules of the Constitution.

PeterS wrote:

This compounds the egregiousness of the crimes that he's committed because he violated his oath when he committed them!

It certainly seems like he did. If not for "the grownups in the room" He would have committed a lot more. The example I always think of is one of his first moves in office, pressing for a ban on ALL Muslims coming to the country. The courts didn't allow it BECAUSE is was a violation of the Constitution's 1st and 5th amendments.

I mean, these Amendments are clear enough for a 5th grader to understand. You can't persecute people based on their race or religion. What part of that does Trump and his groupies not understand? Or is it that they DO understand and Trump was just trying to see what he could get away with? That would make it even more egregious.

I think it's pretty obvious that Trump has been playing this game all along... He knows that it's unconstitutional to persecute people based on race or religion but he also knows that by doing so, he can score political points with his base which is practically founded on bigotry. So he proceeds to intentionally violate his oath to see what he can get away with. This is in perfect alignment with his business practices, where he intentionally lies about things like property value to see what he can get away with.

PeterS wrote:

And, I understand completely. For you MAGA conservatives you could give a flip about anything Trump did while in or out of office. You need the ultimate power and he is your key to getting it. That's a pretty weak key though because his arrogance is going to cause him to go into the e******n with at least one conviction against him. Remember the Lincoln Conservatives in the 2020 e******n? They only wanted to peal 4% of the v**e away from him...and got it...which sunk his chance for ree******n.

So the moral to the story is: indictments do matter because they can not only put you in jail, they can cost you e******ns and once again deny conservatives their ultimate quest for power!
br And, I understand completely. For you MAGA con... (show quote)

I think there is a growing number of Americans that are starting to see Trump for the crook that he has always been. He STILL hasn't won a popular v**e which is the true indicator of the people's will... He lost it by 3 million in 2016 and 8 million in 2020.

As for what influence the indictments have... I think it can go either way. One one hand, people know that good people generally don't get indicted. On the other hand, there is also a growing number of people in America that don't trust the government and might think Trump is being unfairly targeted, which might encourage them to support Trump.

I'm not even sure if a conviction would be any different, given the fanatic support that he gets from bigots that would rather see the Republic give up it's principle of e******y and "justice for all" than to see their w***e s*******y being c*********d.
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May 2, 2024 10:47:36   #
Parky60 wrote:
Why don't you quit your babbling and STFU already. All you do is parrot every thing from the left that you read.

So when I post something, it's too many words and I'm just being verbose. When someone else uses very few words, they just need to STFU.

Do you even know what we are talking about or are you just here to tell liberals to STFU?
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May 2, 2024 10:42:20   #
Parky60 wrote:
That's not what you said. You said, "Many times, that verbosity is actually a rational argument that will appear to be excessive verbiage to readers who have already jumped to premature conclusions."

Same thing - different words. If you had ANY reading comprehension it would be obvious to you.

Parky60 wrote:

So you equate verbosity with a rational argument.

Nope, once again, you're reading comprehension fails you. Here are my two statements verbatim...

1. Many times, that verbosity is actually a rational argument that will appear to be excessive verbiage to readers who have already jumped to premature conclusions.

2. In depth analysis for one man is mere verbosity for the fool who has already jumped to premature conclusions.

One statement is just a shorter version of the other and BOTH of them are conditioned on the reader making premature conclusions.

By reading these statements and coming away with "So you equate verbosity with a rational argument." You are openly declaring your illiteracy for all to see.

You wanna keep going Perky?

Parky60 wrote:

IOW you're a verbose poster who writes 25 words when 10 will do just to show off how allegedly intelligent you are. I said it before and I'll say it again... you may have book smarts but you sure as hell aren't wise.

Why don't you focus on the argument instead of attacking the poster because you think he's using too many words? Do you realize how i***tic that looks?
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May 1, 2024 17:31:09   #
permafrost wrote:
sorry I was gone all day, I did not miss you guys at all...

LOL
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May 1, 2024 17:28:40   #
Hydro wrote:
As usual a Democrate will always be a Democrate every point I made is true - I lived in California and the state was locked down - my home state of Florida wasn’t - very different atmosphere we weren’t stopped from going to funerals or church - in Cal.

California didn't "shut down". I was still working, my wife was still working, we still went to the store... The difference that you are trying to make a mountain of is that California was a little more restrictive in their effort to r****d the spread of the v***s and it worked. Florida had twice as many deaths from C***d per capita than California did.

As for your absurd claim that Florida is doing better... That's a laugh. Even now, California's economy makes Florida look like a bake sale for an elementary school.

Hydro wrote:

costs have sky rocketed on essential items since Biden was inaugurated gas groceries mortgages - these are facts

They are also coincidences. Neither Trump nor Biden had anything to do with rising prices. Are you going to credit Biden for every sunny day we get while he's in office? I would suggest you go to school to learn about economics.
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May 1, 2024 17:08:28   #
America 1 wrote:
The US is presently involved in 15 ‘shadow wars’
Syria
Since 2014, the U.S. has engaged in efforts to destabilize terrorist groups in Syria, including deploying nearly 900 U.S. troops. American support of the region began with the pro-democracy protests of the Arab Spring of 2011. During that time, the Syrian government’s destabilization led to a civil war. To this day, the U.S. continues providing military intelligence, surveillance, and air support.
Iraq
The Iraq War officially ended in December 2011, but U.S. troops returned to the region in 2014 to support counterterrorism operations. Military support aims to prevent and suppress the resurgence of ISIS in the area. Approximately 2,500 American troops remain in the region as of March 2023, providing instruction and assistance to Iraqi troops.
Egypt
The U.S. has maintained a military presence in Egypt since 1978 to enforce the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty. The U.S. has provided more than $50 billion in military aid to the country. American troops have recently taken a more active role in the nation’s national security by partnering with the Egyptian military in Enigma H****r, a counterterrorist effort targeting ISIS.
Kenya
The U.S. maintains a military task force in Kenya in opposition to threats posed by the terrorist organization al-Shabaab. In 2020, the group launched an attack on a Kenyan military base in Manda Bay, where American troops were providing training, resulting in the deaths of an American soldier and two contractors. As of 2021, the Department of Defense funds $69 million in regional projects aimed toward counterterrorism measures.
Lebanon
American and Lebanese militaries have joined forces in opposition to Lebanon-based terrorist organizations, including ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Since 2012, the U.S. has provided the region with $2 billion in humanitarian aid, including $72 million specifically to increase the wages of the Lebanese Army and police forces.
Libya
American forces have been engaged in several military operations in Libya since the 2012 B******i attack, which resulted in the deaths of a U.S. ambassador and two CIA contractors, instigating a campaign geared toward improving the safety of American diplomats. The U.S. has launched drone strikes against the region’s terrorist groups since 2020.
Mali
Mali is another of the 11 African countries with which the U.S. has engaged in Operation Juniper Shield. To combat terrorist organizations in the region—including al-Shabaab, al-Qaeda, and Boko Haram—the U.S. provides training and equipment to Mali military groups. The country is also the site of Operation Objective Voice, an anti-propaganda information campaign.
Mauritania
Mauritania is another African country within the scope of the counterterrorism campaign Operation Juniper Shield. The country is also site to a base partially involved in the anti-propaganda campaign Operation Objective Voice. Additionally, during an annual event known as Exercise Flintlock, the U.S. provides the country with military training support in partnership with Canada and some European countries.
Niger
The U.S. provides counterterrorism support in numerous military campaigns currently operating within Niger, including Juniper Shield, Jukebox Lotus, and Objective Voice. The U.S. officially opened Niger Air Base 201 in 2019, serving as a base for American troops to operate drones and some small aircraft for military missions. The airfield cost approximately $110 million to construct.
Nigeria
The U.S. government maintains a steady military presence in Nigeria, supporting Operation Juniper Shield and Operation Objective Voice. The African nation has long been a military ally of the U.S., and in 2022, the White House approved the controversial selling of $1 billion in arms to the country. American support of the country dates back nearly two decades; since 2000, the U.S. has provided over 41,000 training courses to Nigerian military personnel.
Somalia
Over the past decade, the U.S. government has provided $3 billion to Somalia in the fight against terrorist groups al-Shabaab and ISIS. Aid given thus far also includes combat raids and military training and equipment. Under the Trump administration, American troops withdrew from Somalia, leading al-Shabaab to regain its grip on the region. However, the group’s presence waned amid the return of U.S. troops under the Biden administration.
https://www.kxnet.com/news/top-stories/the-us-is-presently-involved-in-15-shadow-wars-heres-where-and-why/
The US is presently involved in 15 ‘shadow wars’ b... (show quote)

I understand all that, but it was Hydro that said... "we had no wars" when Trump was in office. I was just telling him about the wars we are officially engaged in. If you want to fill him in on how we've been involved in 15 shadow wars the whole time Trump was in office, be my guest.
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May 1, 2024 17:01:24   #
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Me too.

And thanks for taking on the fruitcake big kahuna (my pet name for him is manini weenie) point by crazy point.

He's been presenting ridiculous propaganda for so long, no one wants to engage with him. So thank you again.

Your welcome... Of course you know that nothing I've said makes any difference to him or any of the Trump supporters. I mean, if they can refuse to accept the e******n results they can certainly refuse to accept any logic or evidence that I might present on OPP. Notice that right after I responded to BK, I got a few responses about being verbose - lol. That's because my rational response is meaningless to someone who is already committed to a conclusion.

Conservative culture, with its emphasis on faith, will always breed followers who latch on to identity politics and accept their side's narrative as if it were gospel. From that point it will always be a matter of defending that narrative. Liberal culture is where people learn to think for themselves and are willing to reconcile their narrative with what they learn. Liberal culture gives us the scientific method with the suggestion that we figure it out on our own. Conservative culture gives us the Holy Trinity telling us we aren't supposed to understand it, just accept it on faith. It's a fundamental difference between cultures. Those who think and those who follow.

So while I might be responding to people who follow and subscribe I am writing for the benefit of the people who think and learn because they would be the ones to actually read my responses and maybe get a chuckle out of the ridiculousness I expose.
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May 1, 2024 15:43:25   #
Parky60 wrote:
The ability to simplify means to eliminate the unnecessary so that the necessary may speak. Hans Hofmann

That definitely ain't you dude.

I understand the principal. But as I said... In depth analysis for one man is mere verbosity for the fool who has already jumped to premature conclusions.
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May 1, 2024 13:02:40   #
martsiva wrote:
They DID pass their own bill - HR 2 which Schunmer refuses to bring to the floor! The Supreme Court made it clear that Biden student debt forgiveness is un-Constitutional but Biden wants to do it anyway!! Why do you lie so much when your lies are proven to be lies?

That's a lie. Schumer DID bring it to the floor back in February. And Biden even said he would sign it. But the
House GOP leaders issued a joint statement urging Senate to bury it. The statement was signed by House Speaker Mike Johnson, Majority Leader Steve Scalise, Majority Whip Tom Emmer, and Republican Conference Chairwoman Elise Stefanik.

Some people think H.R.2 died in the Senate because Trump told them not to pass it, which he did, but it's doubtful that his request is the actual reason, although it would help his campaign if he can say Biden didn't do anything to fix the border. People more familiar with how Congress works will tell you that H.R.2 is what Congress calls a "messaging bill". A messaging bill is a bill that is never intended to pass, but to make political statements instead. House Republicans were counting on Biden to veto the bill, which would make him look like he has no interest in fixing the border, but when Biden said he WOULD sign it, they immediately sent the joint statement.

After all... the LAST thing the Republicans want is for Biden to fix the border.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/rejecting-bipartisan-solution-republicans-tout-unserious-bill-rcna137527
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