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Mar 4, 2019 16:35:22   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Whattabuncha CRAP !
I saw this same exact report from years ago when we started this whole jobs sham.
This was already proven false by many sources doing the real investigative work.
Go to NumersUSA.com and see the real math
There are plenty of other sites also with better data.

You’re being lied to daily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/numbers-usa/
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/NumbersUSA
https://americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/fuzzy-math-anti-immigration-arguments-numbersusa-dont-add
https://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2017/mar/22/center-immigration-studies-h**e-group-southern-pov/
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Mar 4, 2019 15:55:45   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
I'm very certain that all of the money you pony up to the IRS goes to pay the interest on the national debt to the Federal Reserve System. That's right, your 'hard earned tax payment' goes to support and encourage a system that not only charges you for the privilege of holding money, but systematically undermines the value of that money through currency inflation.

Did you ever stop to wonder why it is that a dollar today will buy the same things as three cents would buy in 1912? It ain't 'natural', let's put it that way.
I'm very certain that all of the money you pony up... (show quote)

Well if you want to think that the taxes you pay goes to paying the interest on the national debt, go right ahead. I like to think mine go to the efforts of the CDC and similar Federal agencies. And as for the interest on the national debt, I imagine that's paid with the money we borrow from the Chinese.
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Mar 4, 2019 15:49:37   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
How so? Are you saying that you didn't earn that money that was taken from you by force? Rents and mortgages are agreed to by mutual assent. They're contracts signed by both parties that have rights and obligations attached to them. Taxes are a one-way flow of assets from the productive to the non-productive among us.

Well actually, since I'm a capitalist who lives off the return of capital, I "didn't earn that money", my capital "earned" it. But that's beside the point. I voluntarily pay my applicable taxes for the privilege of living in this country, as every good citizen and resident should.

If you don't want to pay your applicable taxes, leave.
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Mar 4, 2019 15:36:31   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
Sorry, but government collects neither rents, royalties nor grazing fees. Government collects taxes, that government sets arbitrarily, and the people are forced to pay at the point of a gun, if necessary. In reality, there are literally hundreds of taxes paid by all of us, every day. We just don't see it. Would you like an incomplete list? It's incomplete because it's impossible to find them all in the millions of pages of laws and statutes preserved in the Congressional archives.


Definition of tax:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxes.asp
Taxes are involuntary fees levied on individuals or corporations and enforced by a government entity - whether local, regional or national - in order to finance government activities.

Any voluntary payment to a government would not be a tax.
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Mar 4, 2019 15:25:37   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. You may be correct in certain parts of the world, but not here in the Good Old USA. Government claims control of vast tracts of land, this is true, but that land does not 'belong' to government, because government has no right or title to anything tangible. Same for patents. Actually, there's a nice little challenge, find a patent owned by and awarded to government. Any government, anywhere.

See US Constitution, Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Four_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_2:_Property_Clause

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Regarding US owned patents:
https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/govt/govt_toc.htm
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Mar 4, 2019 14:24:43   #
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Showboat!

Me or the play?

It's from Porgy and Bess (It Ain't Necessarily So).
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Mar 4, 2019 14:13:50   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Useless eaters
Ignorant e*****rate
Low information v**ers

We dont need more illegal or muslim scumbags coming to America when we have Stores closing daily and 95million Working adults unemployed still after 2 years of Trump !

Something is terribly wrong.

From:
https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/95-million-out-of-workforce/index.html

-- 94.6 million people above the age of 16 were out of the workforce.

Of those:

-- 44.5 million were retired.

-- 14.5 million were in school or job training.

-- 12.8 million were taking care of a loved one.

-- 15.3 million weren't working because of an illness or disability.

In all, of the 94.6 million not working, 87.1 million were retired, in school, taking care of a loved one or physically unable to work.

That leaves 7.5 million people. What about them?

Of those, 1.6 million had looked for a job in the past year or wanted a job but had given up searching for more than a year. And 5.9 million workers listed "other" as a reason for not wanting or having a job. We don't know much about these workers.
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It's wise to lookup more information about seemingly outrageous data.
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Mar 4, 2019 08:27:35   #
eagleye13 wrote:
You are speaking of current longevity, for the past couple thousand years. In the old testament, several lived to over 900 years.

Methuselah lived 900 years.
Methuselah lived 900 years.
But who calls that livin',
When no gal will give in,
To no guy what's 900 years.
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Mar 4, 2019 08:23:07   #
JoyV wrote:
But it still boils down to all the taxpayers footing the bill if the government were to pay r********ns.

Taxpayers only foot the bill for their own personal obligations to their governments. It is those governments responsibility to foot the bill for any bills they acquire.
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Mar 3, 2019 23:21:52   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
That's all very well, but governments do not have independent incomes or personal property that can be purloined for the purposes of r********ns. The only way any government can pay out is by taking funds in from those subject to its diktats. In other words, you and me, not some s***e owner from 150+ years ago. You can banter 'legalese' all you like, but those are the facts, and I'm not paying for something I had no hand in. Period.

Oh, and don't call me Shirley.

Surely you know that governments can own property (land, buildings, patents, etc.) and can derive income from them (rents, royalties, grazing fees (that some people don't seem to think they should pay), etc.). And as for taxes, that money is neither yours nor mine in the same way rents or mortgage payments are not ours.

Since January 1, 1835 is the only time the United States has been debt free, I'm fairly certain some of the money we pay in taxes goes for things we had no hand in.
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Mar 3, 2019 20:16:41   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
I'm a little confused. Can you help me with this? You say that the Federal and State governments might be liable for r********ns because they are the only 'living' persons that allowed s***ery. Can you please point one out? Can you give me a name or some other indication of who exactly you are referring to?

I'm asking because the civil war officially ended on August 20, 1866, and I'm using that date as the official end of s***ery in the US, regardless of whether it was State or Federal laws keeping it going. Now, considering the time between then and now, and adding 21 years to account for adulthood, a person in government would have to be at least 172 years old to be held accountable for an action (or lack thereof) that took place in 1866.

As far as I know, and I might be slightly off here, but it it is my understanding that nobody has ever lived even close to that long in the history of the world. Living 100 years is a newsworthy exception, so someone living to the ripe (and I do mean ripe) old age of 172 would be at least a scientific curiosity.
I'm a little confused. Can you help me with this?... (show quote)

Shirley, you've heard of Citizens United v. FEC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_person

A legal person (in legal contexts often simply person, less ambiguously legal entity)[1][2] is any human or non-human entity, in other words, any human being, firm, or government agency that is recognized as having privileges and obligations, such as having the ability to enter into contracts, to sue, and to be sued.
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Mar 3, 2019 19:20:32   #
lindajoy wrote:
It wasn’t set up as retirement income nor the fact there would be so many people living longer or the immigrants we have etc..

They have mismanaged it just as they do with anything they get involved in and we pay the price..

The preamble of the Social Security Act of 1935 says what it is for:

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=68&page=transcript

AN ACT to provide for the general welfare by establishing a system of Federal old-age benefits, and by enabling the several States to make more adequate provision for aged persons, blind persons, dependent and crippled children, maternal and child welfare, public health, and the administration of their unemployment compensation laws; to establish a Social Security Board; to raise revenue; and for other purposes.

This sounds like a continuation of the goal set forth in the preamble of the US Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

I imagine at both times there were some in the US who were not too on board with providing for the general welfare of anyone other than themselves and those close to them. Some of the support of some of these people was needed to get anything that might provide for the general welfare, so compromises were made.
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Mar 3, 2019 13:50:40   #
eagleye13 wrote:
"What do you guys think???.....As for me...My ancestors weren't even here.."

Democrats are still here!!!
There should be r********ns from Democrats!!!!

The only legal entities with what might be personal responsibility for s***ery in the United States of America that still exist are the Federal government and the several states that allowed s***ery. These are the only "living" persons who might be liable for r********ns. Not you, so don't worry yourself.
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Mar 1, 2019 00:03:44   #
Bcon wrote:
No disention. Just misunderstanding of issues. Debate is the soul of this OP.

Is "debate" the OPP code for name calling?
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Feb 28, 2019 23:52:31   #
JoyV wrote:
I have read it along with more other historical material. Much of what I said on the subject is actually confirmed in the wikipedia article. But I did not write an article, let alone a book, but simply a few comments. Of course the article goes in more depth.

1) I am certain not ALL former s***es had taken advantage of the opportunity to receive 40 acres and a mule.
a) Some may not have known about it.
b) Some may have not trusted the offer.
2) Of those who knew about the offer but didn't take it:
a) Some refused and instead wanted to work for wages.
b) Some may have been threatened or intimidated.
c) Some may have been afraid to take the offer and live alongside former s***e owners.
d) Some may have felt they'd had enough of farming.
e) Some may have wanted to search for lost relatives.
3) Of those which took up the acreage:
a) Some sold their land because they wanted the money.
b) Some sold because they were threatened or intimidated.
c) Some were swindled.
d) Some decided they could make a better life elsewhere.
e) And some were k**led.
I have read it along with more other historical ma... (show quote)

You wrote, "Although the majority of freed s***es chose to work for wages instead of taking up land ownership. Most of those who took the land wound up selling it back to w****s...".

I took issue with the idea that "most chose to work for wages". From what I read in some states they were not allowed to purchase land so the only alternative was to become wage s***es. Also, most who could take up land, didn't take up offers of free land, but purchased it (all be it seemingly at below the market rate). And even though black farm ownership increased after the war (mainly through purchase), economic downturns harmed black ownership more that white.
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