son of witless wrote:
A well written answer. Which is what I always want from those I converse with because it allows me to contradict you clearly. What you describe are relatively painless changes to your lifestyle for the good of the planet. That is all very good, but to me they are useless and here is my reasoning.
Okay you have made your little contributions to the good of your cause, and I am sure you believe that if only the rest of the country would do their part, the future for your grand kids at least environmentally would be secured. Fine.
I submit that what ever good you believe you have done by lowering your carbon emissions is more than offset the increases in the American population caused primarily by immigration, legal or otherwise. I remember when I was young, they said the US population had reached 200,000,000. What is it now 330,000,000 ? It will continue to go up even with our pathetic low birthrate.
Everyone insists on filling up this big beautiful country with more and more people. Why ? Forget about coal and oil and Carbon emissions. All I see is more and more countryside, farmland, and forests black topped over so that we can have more strip malls. We obviously do not yet have enough strip malls, even though many of them have empty store fronts.
How much G****l W*****g is caused by more and more black top absorbing sunlight, where there once was grass and trees ? And why do we have more and more black top, and more and more ugly housing developments ? I will tell you why. Because we keep growing our population. Soon we will be like India and China.
So you just keep doing your part in keeping your carbon footprint low. I refuse.
A well written answer. Which is what I always want... (
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well, I'll be darned... i do agree strongly that excessive population is the underlying problem to most of the rest.. However I do not see it as part of the immigration problem..
population is world wide and any discussion has to look at the global effects..
Yes, I think that when people move to the United States, (or any other nation) they do become the same level of consumer as the rest of us.. but it is not a zero sum at the original home. for any comparison we would have to know where they came from and the level of consumption is the home country..
It would never be a matter of no pollution to the very high level per capita of America.. they would have some measure of pollution no matter where they came from..
As you say, with our growing population, managing our carbon output becomes more and more important..
Yea, those strip malls will never stop spreading..
We need more population control that only keeping immigrants out of the country..
This NPR article is interesting.. if you pull it up it shows that your concern with immigration will be a greater factor in the future.. despite the current decline..
So you have added an interesting POV on this subject and I think keeping an eye open is a good idea..
Thanks for the post..
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/31/792737851/u-s-population-growth-in-2019-is-slowest-in-a-centuryThe annual population growth rate of the United States over the past year continued a decades-long decline, dropping to its lowest level in the past century.
According to newly released estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau, the U.S. population grew by 1,552,022 since 2018, an increase of one-half of one percent.
That rate of growth is slower than during the Great Depression of the 1930s, a period which had until the past decade marked the smallest expansion of the U.S. population since the overall number of inhabitants briefly dropped in 1918
Several factors help explain why the U.S. population growth rate is slowing: