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Dec 10, 2013 07:18:46   #
Smiley881 wrote:
A $10.00 minimum wage hike sounds good to me.
We are long over due.The thing is I don't think Employers would
be on board with the Wage hike.The Employers in Santa Clara
County are proof of it.Oh well I guess those Employers will
soon go out of Business. 8-)


If it is raised, like the raise in 2009, will they have a choice? I thought that it would be across the board unless the state has equal or more minimum wage already in place.

I would think California, being a predominately Democratic state would be all for this! See, I live and I learn.
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Dec 10, 2013 07:14:11   #
AuntiE wrote:
I mentioned the other day he is a secularist. He has no interest in possibly being incorrect.

I am trying to figure out who keeps leaving a basket at Easter if there is no Easter Bunny. It will be most upsetting if they stop. :mrgreen: :| :hunf:


I find his entries problematic, sometimes he claims the Bible to be a myth and in other threads he talks about his religion.

The Easter Bunny....say it is not so! :| :(
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Dec 10, 2013 01:07:17   #
Floyd Brown wrote:
One day you may come to & it will be come clear that what you learned in school or heard is not quite like it turns out down on the street. The game is played with a stacked deck.

Are you sure that the cards being dealt to are the cards you deserve?


Gee, how sad. Shall we wait around so the rest of your gang arrives and you can have a full blown pity party?


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Dec 10, 2013 00:03:24   #
Ghost wrote:
Why do you care? Hypocrites like you talk about how Jesus was liberal then in the same breath spout how h**eful and intolerant Christianity is or spout your athiest propaganda.

Piss off.


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Dec 9, 2013 22:55:24   #
alex wrote:
in other words you are admitting you are a thief


Probably because he has no money, job, home, or ambition to have such.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:52:28   #
Brian Devon wrote:
Why don't you debate as to whether Moses was a conservative or liberal? How about the easter bunny? How about Satan?

Like Jesus, these are all mythological characters. There has never been a shred of archaelogical or scientific evidence that any of them ever existed.

Debating whether Jesus was a conservative or liberal is like the old debate about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? What's the point? Why bother?


A few books that may be of interest to you: Bart Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist? and "The Jesus Discovery" (Simon & Schuster) by James Tabor and Simcha Jacobivici and the best one Jesus and His World: The Archaeological Evidence" (Westminster John Knox Press). All three are recent book, show evidence, and is well worth the read. I have a passion for anthropology and archeology, among my other interests I try to keep up on developing discoveries.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:39:42   #
BoJester wrote:
Some good reasons, both pro and con, to consider



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/09/what-does-an-increase-in-the-minimum-wage-do-to-the-economy


Bo,

I would be okay with Obama's plan to raise it to $10.00 an hour, that is just about where the big box stores start their employees. It is not a great deal of money and the increase could be rec**ped by employers with a 0.002 cent increase on goods and services. However, $15 and hour is asking for a lot of concessions and the increase on goods and services would cause some smaller Mom & Pops to go out of business.

Glad the link showed both sides. Thanks
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Dec 9, 2013 21:24:52   #
jonhatfield wrote:
I am glad we have come to understanding also. I'm a bit fanatical on some subjects and the relative anonominity of virtual space does lead to rudeness and other confrontational ways that would not happen in person. On the other hand, it also leads to a degree of frankness that wouldn't happen in person. ha. I'll continue regarding my preoccupations on the subject of b****s and illegal Mexicans but have to leave for awhile. It can wait in any case. Regards, Ginny!


Shalom. Stay safe. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Dec 9, 2013 20:23:43   #
jonhatfield wrote:
Hi Ginny. I don't drink--raised Southern Baptist and my first v**e was a local referendum to repeal prohibition law in Knoxville, TN, and I v**ed for prohibition. Stupid, but I was very conservative then and until Reagan's 2nd term.

I do enjoy jokes if I understand them--a little dense and literal much of the time. I "founded" the CMTU, the Channing Murray Temperance Union, when I was a resident at Channing Murray residence house on the Univ. of Wis. campus where I was the token Republican in what was then the unofficial headqtrs of the U-W Young Dems. CM House had the campus record for beer drinking--a refrigerator full of beer cans with posting where drinks were marked off. I posted the CMTU charter on the fridge as half-serious joke, with automatic membership for anyone with less than so many beers a week. As I recall only 3 qualified for membership. I also volunteered to be in charge of punch for parties so I could control the percent of alcohol. I suspect I did not understand that proof numbers didn't designate percentage, so the punch may have been twice the intended potency, so that joke was on me. As was my e******n as president of the Channing Murray Society--Southern Baptist pres of the Unitarian-Universalist student organization. The mostly Jewish CM House residents thought that was funny. UW in those years was the destination of children of socialists and c*******ts, so my grad school experience there was most interesting politically. The UW Young Dem chapter was considered ultra-liberal--for example at the state Young Dem convention the CM House Young Dem candidate for chairman lost mostly because considered too liberal. Ironically they did not seem that radical to me, rather ordinary political thinking compared to the extreme l*****t movements on campus. For example, I was more into civil rights than they were. One of the things I have enjoyed with my OPP experience has been recalling my campus political experiences those two years...haven't had much occasion to communicate much about politics for fifty years.

I have enjoyed jibing at your "pretences," but seriously still cannot understand your attitude toward b****s and Mexicans. I must apologize about "Nanny." That was my confusing you with our Grammar Granny who is always correcting us children's grammar and spelling and acting as OPP Nanny admonishing the children--you know who I mean. ha. You aren't that pretentious.
Hi Ginny. I don't drink--raised Southern Baptist a... (show quote)


Mr. Hatfield,

I am relieved, a truce. I accept your explanation and appreciate you candor in relaying your history.

I think that perhaps we had an early on misunderstanding. I do not have any problems with race, honestly. I have difficulty with those who give their race or ethnicity a bad image. I know that there are times when people have immediate needs which drives them to seek help, and I am there for those people. I have nothing against Mexicans, my late husband of over 35 years was only 3 generations from immigrant status; yes he was a Mexican-American. Mexicans and all immigrants that come to the US legally are welcomed by me and my family.

I am very glad that we have come to an understanding. To be very honest with you, the anger that I felt from you was troubling. I was not immune. So, no hard feelings. And one other thing, for the most part I have agreed with your posts, other than the personal stuff. Thank you.
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Dec 9, 2013 20:11:17   #
BoJester wrote:
I would have thought that you would know this, but to save you time, here is the list of the JEWISH 10 commandments, as written in the book of Exodus.

http://www.10-commandments.org/


Good evening Bo,

Thank you for the link. It is important to know that many of the folk on OPP are not Jewish. And as you know, these laws were given to the Jews. Jesus Christ gave a set of laws that the Goy (that is just a word that means non-Jew not an insult) follow. He basically gave the same laws and added to them with his own versions and opinions.
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Dec 9, 2013 20:11:17   #
Duplicate entry. Sorry, fat fingers!
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Dec 9, 2013 20:00:48   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
This post is sacrilegious!


I do not really think it is more than saying what political party the man would select. But, if it is....well, I will explain it to God and let him decide my fate! But, thank you.
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Dec 9, 2013 19:04:26   #
Mr. Hatfield,

Apparently I left you speechless. Only conclusion I can draw because you just quoted me without saying a word. Where is the witty come back, your latest insult? Are you trying to search for an appropriate, or in your case, an inappropriate comment? Show me the "love" that Liberals are always laying claim. Give me your best shot. Or are you now ready for a truce?
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Dec 9, 2013 18:41:05   #
jay-are wrote:
Lots of interpretations, but only one is correct.

When interpretations contradict, one must be correct and the other incorrect.


There is another thread saying that Jesus was a conservative. Let me relate a story we (Jews) tell their children about sin; and blaming each other.

This may be compared to the case of a king who had an orchard containing excellent early figs, and he placed there two watchmen, one lame and the other blind. He said to them: "Be careful with these fine early figs." After some days the lame man said to the blind one: "I see fine early figs in the orchard." Said the blind man to him: "Come let us eat them." "Am I then able to walk?" said the lame man. "Can I then see?" retorted the blind man. The lame man got astride the blind man, and thus they ate the early figs and sat down again each in his place.

After some days the king came into that vineyard and said to them: "Where are the fine early figs?" The blind man replied: "My lord, the king, can I then see?" The lame man replied: "My lord the king, can I then walk?" What did the king, who was a man of insight, do with them? He placed the lame man astride the blind man, and they began to move about. Said the king to them: "Thus have you done, and eaten the early figs."

Even so will the Holy One, blessed be God, in the time to come, say to the soul: "Why have you sinned before Me?" and the soul will answer: O Master of the universe, it is not I that sinned, but the body it is that sinned. Why, since leaving it, I am like a clean bird flying through the air. As for me, how have I sinned?" God will also say to the body: "Why have you sinned before Me?" and the body will reply: "O Master of the universe, not I have sinned, the soul it is that has sinned. Why, since it left me, I am cast about like a stone thrown upon the ground. Have I then sinned before You?"

What will the Holy One, blessed be God, do to them? God will bring the soul and force it into the body, and judge both as one.

As a nation, we are judged by other countries on what we do; not on what the Democrats do or Republicans. So it is true with what we do for the needy, not as a political party but as each human should do. Each person should give as they see fit, not have someone tell them what they can afford. When we are judged, we will not come before God as a Conservative or Liberal or even a Moderate. We will go naked, with only our deeds and be judged independently of everyone else. There is no shame in taking care of your family first and then others. But, there is shame if you do not take care of your own family and then others. This is something that everyone should consider before having a family. A basic question, will I be able to cloth, house and feed my family?
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Dec 9, 2013 18:17:36   #
jonhatfield wrote:
Wowzer, you really have given up your Southern ladyness pretense! You really do like to "kid" around, don't you? Drinking too much gin lately, Ginny?

Mr Hatfield,

Yes. I do have a sense of humor. Do you not enjoy humor? Being a lady can sometimes be seen by those who do not understand the concept mean a lack of humor, and inability to give as good as one gets. Papa always said, if you can leave with your dignity in tact then retreat. If you can not, then make them wish they had never bothered you.

No, I do not drink. I have seen what drinking can do to destroy lives and I never had the desire to alter my life or make those around me miserable. How about you? Would your poison of choice be Jim Bean? Or are you a single barrel whiskey drinker? Or maybe you do not drink, but smoking gets you all happy and "simple-minded" (borrowing from your own words)?
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