Ranger7374 wrote:
The comment I made was following the precedent that was followed in the impeachment of Johnson, Nixon, and Bill Clinton. Nancy Pelosi and this Congress broke precedent. The House of Representatives as a body has a right to write the rules in which they follow in an impeachment. High crimes and misdemeanors are described by Hamilton in Federalist paper 65/66. If you read the document, Hamilton makes clear that a president is not to be impeached simply because you do not like him. If that was the case then Bush Jr. and Obama would have been impeached, not to mention Ford, Carter, Regan, and Bush Sr. too would have been impeached.
For example is it an impeachable offense to Pardon Richard Nixon? Ford would have been impeached.
Is it an impeachable offense that a failed helicopter rescue of Iran hostages an impeachable offense? Carter would have been impeached.
Is it an impeachable offense to bring us to the brink of war with the USSR? Reagan would have been impeached.
Is the Iran contra affair an impeachable offense? Reagan would have been impeached.
Is the freeing of Kuwait in Desert Storm or the issues of Rodney King impeachable offenses? Bush Sr. would have been impeached.
Is the Enron scandal, September 11th failures, "Weapons of Mass Destruction", impeachable offenses? Then Bush Jr. would have been impeached.
Is trading an american deserter for terrorists an impeachable offense? then Obama would have been impeached.
Is Fast and Furious operations to include the B******i scandal, impeachable offense? Then Obama would have been impeached.
or go back in time further, The involvement in Cambodia, South Korea, and Vietnam impeachable? Then Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson would have been impeached.
How about the bay of pigs, and bringing us to the brink of World War III? Then John Kennedy would have been impeached.
Hamilton stated that impeachment should only be reserved to be used for an offense as great as Treason and Bribery. Hamilton recognized that there are other crimes, that can be considered on the same level as Treason and Bribery. Such as using the presidency as your personal military, to injure the citizens of this country. That can be considered treason. Or squandering the treasury fortune to dictate the actions of others, which can be considered bribery. These are examples of crimes, and these are examples of High Crimes and Misdemeanors. All High Crimes and Misdemeanors lead to treason. For example what Johnson did, what Nixon did, leads to Treason. What Bill Clinton did opens him up for treason. Mind you what Clinton did is not treason or bribery but it opens the presidency up to it. In the case of all three presidents that were impeached, all three covered up their crimes, that is obstruction of justice.
In the case with Donald Trump, it is simple that it is not driven by Justice. But being driven by jealousy and lust for power.
What the democrats do here will be used against the next president if it were to come to be. If the Democrats get their way with this impeachment effort, the next democrat president will have to face a House that the majority is republican, will have to face impeachment. If Donald Trump wins his case, then laws to prevent such a measure will be written to limit the power of government in both the House, Senate, and intelligence communities. The President is the one entrusted with the "Sword" of the United States. The people v**ed for Trump so Trump should have the power to do what is necessary. That is his duty. And from what this citizen is seeing as he watches this, that is what he has done. The Democrats, calling for an impeachment inquiry on Halloween is an act, in my opinion, of what the Devil would do to attack Jesus Christ.
This has a political and spiritual element. Let's see what happens? Do you have faith in our system of government? Do you have faith in God? Do you have faith in the American People? Where do your allegiances lie?
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Yes you are right to a point. The rules that are being followed by the house are written down which the latest version is 2015. These same rules were approved by the same party that changed the rules on subpenoas. To try and get Obama over a barrel. The party were the Republicans the same group who held B******i investigation behind closed doors. This is what;
Representative Gerald Ford declared: "An impeachable offense is wh**ever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." Now since there is no details in the guidance provided by the statements made in the Constitution about impeachments. That was the whole reason why the Federalist letters were written. Now impeachment is a very strong way of taking care of a troubling repesentive of the government because it can give the parties heart burn down the line. That is why it is stated in the Federalist letters that it can be easily weaponized. On the examples given it could have been used as you suggested. That is the why there is a separation of powers between the branches. The rules are written down on how to advance properly. Committees investigate in the house on the possible charges being brought up then the committee v**es on them and then present to the house who in turn finally decides whether the articles are supported, at which time they are sent to the Senate. Where does my loyalty lie it is with a government I thought was worth 13 years of my life I'm a veteran. I was always taught that God helps those who help themselves and rely on him when the going get to hard for them to handle. At one time I would have given a deafening yes, now when morals have become flexible and ethics are pretty much d**gging it kind of hard for me to see the difference between the American people and any other emeny of this country.
This below came from page 18 of the House Rules document that in 2015 Republicans v**ed a change to subpoena requirements. Please note what is in parentheses. All meetings other than committee on Ethics are to be in the open. Since the impeachment is based on presumed ethical practices the meetings can be held in private. Then the other option for closed meeting is when the infomation that comes out may endanger national security, would compromise sensitive law enforcement information, would tend to defame, degrade, or incriminate any person, or otherwise would violate a law or rule of the House.
Open meetings and hearings
(g)(1) Each meeting for the t***saction of business, including the mark-
up of legislation, by a standing committee or subcommittee thereof (other
than the Committee on Ethics or its subcommittees) shall be open to the
public, including to radio, television, and still photography coverage, except
when the committee or subcommittee, in open session and with a majority
present, determines by record v**e that all or part of the remainder of the
meeting on that day shall be in executive session because disclosure of mat-
ters to be considered would endanger national security, would compromise
sensitive law enforcement information, would tend to defame, degrade, or in-
criminate any person, or otherwise would violate a law or rule of the
House. Persons, other than members of the committee and such noncommittee Members, Delegates, Resident Commis-
sioner, congressional staff, or departmental representatives as the com-
mittee may authorize, may not be present at a business or markup ses-
sion that is held in executive session. This subparagraph does not apply to
open committee hearings, which are governed by clause 4(a)(1) of rule X or
by subparagraph (2). (2)(A) Each hearing conducted by a committee or subcommittee (other than the Committee on Ethics or its
subcommittees) shall be open to the public, including to radio, television,
and still photography coverage, except when the committee or subcommittee, in open session and with a majority present, determines by record v**e that all or part of the remainder of that hearing on that day shall be closed to the public because disclosure sensitive law enforcement information, or would violate a clause
clause 2(k)(5); or
(ii) agree to close the hearing as
provided in clause 2(k)(5).
(C)