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Mar 9, 2014 14:37:49   #
bmac32 wrote:
1. Reagan & Lincoln tied for first,
2. Twenty three presidents tied for second,
3. Seventeen other presidents tied for third,
4. Jimmy Carter came in fourth, and
5. Obama came in fifth.


Ranking of the presidents began in 1948; at no time has anyone included a sitting president. And there is good reason, he can still do harm or good which would change his position on the list. I would like to know where you got your information. I did a search and found lists, none of which included Obama. Perhaps you got it for Yahoo Answers or another personal blog. So, please provide your source. Thank you
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Mar 9, 2014 14:11:56   #
Well then, it would seem that you are a Liberal all the way. Sorry about the loss of your child. Personally, I would have been devastated. I am happy for you that things worked out. And you sound like a great humanitarian, congratulations on your hard work in behalf of your charities.


jimbino wrote:
I appreciate your reply. I have been involved personally with a******n. I was personally against it but she went to have one anyway. I was disappointed but I'm still glad the decision were hers and not the governments. I would give money to a beggar. In addition to church giving I also support a couple of charities on a monthly basis (St Judes and Wounded Warrior) I wouldn't want to lose a job based on race but I want to insure that all people have an equal opportunity. My boss is a black woman but I've worked with her for a long time and she earned her position. I'm a white male and she has helped me advance within the company. She's kind of a mentor of mine. Speaking of church, got to go I'm running late
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Mar 9, 2014 14:07:17   #
Searching wrote:
I don't think it's your computer. I think it's something to do with this site. I have been having similar issues and I notice others have as well. Perhaps, we both have computers more sensitive than the OPP site designers make allowances for. Just a thought.


Thanks. I did notice that my mail is not working right either.
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Mar 9, 2014 08:58:29   #
I h**e my computer..... another duplicate. Sorry!
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Mar 9, 2014 08:58:29   #
jimbino wrote:
I believe in fiscal responsibility and limited government. I also believe gays should be allowed to marry, government shouldn't tell women what to do with their body and immigration reform. In other words I'm near the center. But both parties seem to be getting further from the center. I feel left out. I wish there was a third party closer to the center that reflected my views


You may want to take this quiz if you want to know your political bias. http://www.quizrocket.com/political-party-quiz

Yes, between the very liberal and conservative there is a chasm, perhaps it is a product of mass media which is nonstop in pointing out differences. Often you will find that people that say they are pro a******n or proactive in providing for the needy, or even for more taxes. They speak in generalities. But, if you ask them about their personal life, then you would be surprised to find just how conservative our nation remains. It is much easier to say that all people should or should not; but harder to say what you want for your own self or family. When you get to the macro and eliminate the "what is good for everybody" aspect then the t***h comes forward. For example, if you or your girlfriend is pregnant; would you want someone to k**l the child? If you have a choice of saving for your child's education or even a family vacation, would you take that money and give it to the first homeless beggar on the street? If you are competing for a job, and you have worked hard to prepare yourself for the job and it was given to a less qualified person because of skin color, would you celebrate their good fortune? It would be easy to go on, but I think you get the general meaning of these questions. In other words, it is nice to dream of utopia, but how much will you sacrifice to allow others to have your dream first?
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Mar 9, 2014 08:22:34   #
Brian Devon wrote:
I find the waving of the "c****e" banner amusing. In real life its been many years since I have heard liberals or even conservatives bring up c*******m and marxism.

The only place I seem to read about it is on the internet. You wingers have a real dilemma: What if they gave a c****e witch hunt and no one came? Doesn't look like the majority of v**ers even care.


You consistently champion people and ideas that will promote a more peaceful world, a world where nature comes before profit. Where negro and white intermarry and those that have an extra dime gives it to the poor. Right? Have you read the slogan for C*******t Party USA? "A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the C*******t Party USA." Now what were you saying about c****e witch hunt?

http://www.cpusa.org/
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Mar 9, 2014 08:17:14   #
oldroy wrote:
Why yes they are certainly at it again. Now the liberal faculty at Rutgers University has said that she just doesn't have the knowledge to speak at their graduation ceremonies. I have to wonder how many of them know, for real, anywhere as much about foreign affairs as the former Secretary of State knows. I am sure we all know why they didn't want her after someone at the university contracted her. Oh well, it may have really interfered with what they had taught the graduates and caused too many of them to have headaches or something like that.

http://eaglerising.com/5033/liberal-colleges-persecuting-conservatives/
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I bet that they would embrace Hillary Clinton, because she would meet their criteria. "The faculty at Rutgers has decided that Ms. Rice is not “qualified” to speak at the commencement of their students. They said she, “lacks “moral authority.” She fails to meet the standards of “exemplary citizenship” and she does not have what it takes to “inspire” graduating college seniors.”

This is beyond stupid of them! Ms. Rice had issues, as all humans do, but to say she is morally unfit....by what standards are they judging her?
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Mar 9, 2014 08:09:23   #
Kevyn wrote:
V**er suppression is the goal of photo ID requirements and those requirements are suppressing long time legal v**ers by the thousands.


Will you be telling a different story had it gone the other way? How quickly you forget about the Bush/Gore issues in Florida. You were probably quick to say that Gore v**es were not counted due to h*****g chads.....etc. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/17/the-legacy-of-h*****g-chads

V**er identification is necessary. If you can get people bussed to v****g why not bus them to the DMV to get an Identification?
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Mar 9, 2014 07:53:28   #
Armageddun wrote:
To tell the t***h, I didn't think you would be interested either way. :lol: :lol: :shock:


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Mar 9, 2014 07:52:11   #
Thank you so very much. Great post!

bmac32 wrote:
This was brought to my attention by my wife. Rather a long read.


And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel your brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper? — Genesis 4:9

“I’m not my brother’s keeper,” my mother used to say. She and my father survived the Great Depression. Through decades of hard work, they made themselves a comfortable life. But a higher authority than my late mother, President Barack Obama, believes we are our brother’s keeper.

Last week, Obama launched his initiative that will create opportunities for young black and Hispanic men. His explanation is that this is a way he is going to help those two minorities in an economy racked by civil discord. And his program is being hailed as the “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative. The Obama Administration will partner with foundations, nonprofit groups and businesses to equal the playing field for b****s and Hispanics.

The program should be called Big Brother because it focuses on a single leader, who happens to be black, who has decided by himself that young black and Hispanic youths are going to be given special advantages. If you are white, Native American or Asian, tough luck. In true Muslim tradition, Obama is not giving a hand up to young women of any race.

According to the President, groups have already invested $150 million into the program and will invest another $200 million over the next five years. And there is no stopping it; Obama has already signed an order to establish the My Brother’s Keeper Task Force, which will determine how to help black kids help themselves. It sounds discriminatory and self-aggrandizing for the President, who was shameless while presenting it.

“Fifty years after Dr. [Martin Luther] King [Jr.] talked about his dream for America’s children, the stubborn fact is that the life chances for the average black or brown child in this country lags behind by almost every measure and is worse for boys and young men,” said the President.

This is just the latest publicity stunt by Obama so that he can, with a wave of a wand and a few hundred million dollars, change black fortunes. Until now, he has been remiss in doing so, unless it added to his legacy.
Obama’s Sermon On The Mount

TIME reported:

Last February, Obama met with a group of young men at Hyde Park Academy on Chicago’s South Side, who were a part of the Becoming a Man program within the school. He spoke candidly with the group about his experiences, acknowledging the fact that as a man of color who was raised by a single mother, their lives were inherently similar. The only difference, he said, was the fact that he grew up in an environment that was more forgiving.

When I went to high school, I must have missed Becoming a Man Day. I got those lessons from my father when I was young enough that discipline still mattered, before age 12 and not 17. During his long business trips for his magazine, my mother was his XO, always at the ready with the big, old, sterling-silver brush. I must have gotten 30 spankings growing up, but I earned them all. More importantly, they stopped when I was 11 after I had begun to associate my bratty behavior with a sore butt.

Every good parent knows that how his kids turn out depends on how they are raised as little children — not because of some feel-good P**********l plan set up for young men who are way too old to now learn values such as hard work, respect and personal integrity.

Furthermore, is Obama omnipotent? How does he know which environment is the most forgiving? I think black kids are taking hardly any of the blame these days, and it’s being pushed on to the w****s. Lately, everything is Whitey’s fault. If some white man k**led some poor, innocent black kid, it will be plastered all over the TV media for months, maybe years. And on it goes the direct and indirect message that the laws are written and the police are there to protect Whitey. Therefore, Whitey is at the root of every social injustice. America’s black leaders bang that war drum louder each day.

America could have better race relations without black leaders like Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey forever mucking in the past and making white people feel guilty, while black people feel victimized.
Are We There Yet?

If you have children, you must have heard a thousand times on any trip, “Are we there yet?!” One of my first memories dates back to when I was 3 and I was sitting in the middle seat between my older brother and sister flying two hours from Calgary to Vancouver, Canada, to meet our parents. The last hour I wanted a minute by minute update: “Are we there yet?!”

What I want to know is when we are there yet with the collective white guilt over the treatment of African-Americans for the past 300 years? When can we stop harping about it in everything from the NFL to the Academy Awards, to the policies cooked up by the Oval Office? Can just somebody give us a date that we can put this in our past? After all, the w****s who committed those crimes are either dead or soon will be. And if we cannot ever put it into our past, how were we so able to forget the genocide we did to Native Americans?

The t***h is I don’t hold out much hope for a deadline, especially when the sins of the father seem to stretch to perpetuity and when the non-solutions provided by some of the influential voices in black America sound a lot more like Joseph Goebbels than Mahatma Gandhi.

Just read what Winfrey had to say regarding the r****m “problem” when interviewed by the BBC in November shorty before she received the Medal of Freedom from Obama:

Of course, problem is not solved. You know, as long as people can be judged by the color of their skin, the problem’s not solved. As long as there are people who still — and there’s a whole generation; I say this, you know, I said this, you know, for Apartheid South Africa; I said this for my own, you know, community in the South — there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and r****m, and they just have to die.

Sins Of The Father, You Know?

Oprah, who do you want to see die? Just old people? What about younger people whose parents may have had them “bred and marinated in it (r****m).” Do they have to die, too? And who gets to decide who is a r****t and who is not? What if we find out, Oprah, that you are a r****t? Is it possible you h**e the Swiss because they treated you shabbily in that Zurich shop when you just had to have that $38,000 handbag last summer? If so, do we have to wait for you to die before r****m is gone?

And then there is the question of b****s who are r****ts. Is it OK for them to h**e w****s, given decades of discrimination and centuries of s***ery, which, by the way, ended 148 years ago?

It doesn’t seem productive when black leaders like the President and Winfrey make excuses about male black youths and do not hold them to the same accountability as white youths. Yet there are other black leaders just as bad as Obama and Winfrey.

B****s are still being treated so poorly, said Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to a crowd of 18,000 in Detroit last month, that African-Americans should have their own court system.

“Our people can’t take much more. We have to have our own courts. You failed us,” Farrakhan said.

“How long must we let people stand their ground, shooting us and getting away with it while we don’t get justice?” added Farrakhan. “We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want the federal government to intercede to see that black people get justice in accordance with the law. Otherwise, I’m going on record with this today… we have to have our own courts.”

What’s next? Separate courts for Hispanics? How about for Asians? I am a Canadian-American. Do I get to go trot off to my own courthouse if I get in trouble?

These are all race-baiting, muck-raking, money-making ways in which b****s have been let down by their self-appointed leaders and have not had to face up to their own responsibilities. The result is that race relations are worse now than when Obama was first elected. He bears responsibility in this, but he has had plenty of help from the likes of Winfrey, Farrakhan and many others — all of them spreading the message of irreversible shame against white America as a weapon to press their liberal agenda.

Meanwhile, white resentment grows along with black anger. That sets the stage for race tensions and even race r**ts. Maybe that was the intention from the start.

Yours in good times and bad.

http://personalliberty.com/2014/03/05/americas-black-leaders-are-race-baiting-guilt-mongering-lying-liberals/
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Mar 9, 2014 07:47:46   #
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Mar 9, 2014 07:47:45   #
You may be right about Hawaii, I do not live there so I am not qualified to render an opinion. I do know that when I visited, there was a distinct line between Islanders and Mainlanders. Yes, it was a very recent trip.

And, you are very right about California being a mix of every race on planet earth. There are no true races in California unless they are new arrivals from other countries.

However, you will find less w****s marring b****s than w****s marring Asians. In the majority of other states. http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/19/study-b****s-and-w****s-are-marrying-more-in-the-u-s/
This occurrence is part of natural se******n, that is the Asian population is growing, they have qualities not found in other races such as Hispanic or Negro.

Statistically interracial marriages have a higher divorce rate. http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/19/study-b****s-and-w****s-are-marrying-more-in-the-u-s/ While California leads in interracial marriages, it is worthwhile to note the high divorce rate of 75 percent of all marriages in California end in divorce within 10 years of marriage. http://divorce-laws.findthebest.com/l/5/California

It is also worthwhile noting that the divorce percentages are the lowest with white/white and white/Asian. Highest is white/negro, and Negro/Asian. Marriage between Hispanic and negro are very low. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/births_deaths_marriages_divorces/marriages_and_divorces.html

Also, in California the vast majority of marriages in 2012 were repeaters, that is either party had been married before. Historically, the second, third, forth and in the case of Californians the ninth or tenth marriage end in divorce.

Aside from you redirection of the original thread, thank you for the information and your opinion.

As for my opinion of the original post. I could not agree more!

Brian Devon wrote:
We are slowly getting past the racial divide. The races living together, working together, marrying and sharing political power will put our ugly past behind us.

Hawaii is the proto-type, a state where no demographic group is dominant, and all are under 50% of the population. Its hard to work up people for a race war when their neighbors and members of their extended family come from other ethnicities and races.

I kind of like that President Obama is a mixed-race man from Hawaii. Prototypical for a 21st century diverse America.
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Mar 9, 2014 06:27:31   #
rumitoid wrote:
Saying "the gun is civilization" is like saying Christianity--and Christ--are detrimental to society.


Everything can be used for good or evil; that includes invoking the name of your god. I have read of plenty of horrible individuals that have committed horrendous acts in the name of God. I doubt that any of it was sanctioned by God. Same for a gun. A gun can be used to commit horrible acts. Here is the key. It is the freedom of choice of the individual on how to invoke the power of either.

Surely, had you thought about your comment you would have given a better antithesis.
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Mar 9, 2014 06:19:02   #
fom wrote:
thanks for posting on my topic. all the best to you.

Nicely said. With all the ways the conversation could have gone, you elected to be the better person and take the high road! Good for you!
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Mar 8, 2014 22:22:15   #
fom wrote:
I have the hardest time trying not to be rude to other posters. I don't want to be called fithy names and you don't like it either. I don't know where this is gonna go but I am starting with a big appology to all I have offended. I ain't too nice sometimes. I want to better myself.


Everyone makes mistakes, everyone gets the end or edge of their patience, everyone speaks at times without thinking. I am guilty of all these things. I commend you for your admitting that you have been harsh to some (never to me). You have won the battle, now that you know what not to say, practice. If someone pushes your buttons, do as some and challenge with intelligence, do as some others and not respond, or adopt a k**l them with gentleness. Either technique you employ, those that want to yell, scream, curse, or call you names will stop after about 2 weeks of not getting the anger they are searching for or need.

You are a man with opinions, many times I agree with you and there have been times when we disagreed. I know deep in my heart that you now have the tools and discipline to communicate without hostile remarks.
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