The Truth About the Healthcare Bill (Page 25): I just finished reading the Cloward-Piven strategy. I was aware if it but didn't know from where it came. Thanks for the direction...

Comment Loc: California

Billhuggins wrote:

I am not familiar with Cloward and Piven but, I am aware of thee ploy to crash the united States by making entitlements so big that gov couldn't pay them Ballooning the ND is another arm in that direction.

I just finished reading the Cloward-Piven strategy. I was aware if it but didn't know from where it came. Thanks for the direction

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

bahmer wrote:

And if we don't stand and fight on this then where... (show quote)

What is with stand & fight?

It is cooperation that builds & holds people together.

If we stand & fight with each other those that control the government will just keep picking our pockets & taking away or rights for their own gain. Just because we may vote it don't mean we are in control.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Floyd Brown wrote:

What is with stand & fight?

It is cooperation that builds & holds people together.

If we stand & fight with each other those that control the government will just keep picking our pockets & taking away or rights for their own gain. Just because we may vote it don't mean we are in control.

Stand and fight is more for the Republican party if you look back they continue to back down on many issues. I think they lose in elections because they don't stand and fight. Compromise is good but if you look at the past Democrats make promises they never keep. They make laws that apply to the people but not to themselves. I think the republicans have to stand and fight now or we got problems.

faithistheword

claytonln wrote:

Stand and fight is more for the Republican party if you look back they continue to back down on many issues. I think they lose in elections because they don't stand and fight. Compromise is good but if you look at the past Democrats make promises they never keep. They make laws that apply to the people but not to themselves. I think the republicans have to stand and fight now or we got problems.

Absolutely!
Colorado should be the standard--the goal --for all states. Well, CA and NY will never rebel, but they're broke. There are people who have been fighting the good fight for a long time. Joe Arpaio comes to mind. When this country was first settled, there were only a couple hundred Englishmen who were willing to make the journey. They were chastised, too. But we don't have a place like America to go to--we have to fight for this one!

claytonln Loc: Kansas

faithistheword wrote:

Absolutely!
Colorado should be the standard--the goal --for all states. Well, CA and NY will never rebel, but they're broke. There are people who have been fighting the good fight for a long time. Joe Arpaio comes to mind. When this country was first settled, there were only a couple hundred Englishmen who were willing to make the journey. They were chastised, too. But we don't have a place like America to go to--we have to fight for this one!

Well what has happened is that most voters are left leaners and believe that the Democrats are the party of the people. They may have been at one time and I am not sure about that either after reading several books that say they did not want the constitution.

But, we were meant to be a center country slight left, slight right. But over the years the democrats have moved to the left. To keep in the race as a major political party the Republicans have also moved to the left trying to take some of the voters from the democrats. It hasn't worked and now we have the moderate republicans who also lean toward socialism.

Homestead

Billhuggins wrote:

I am not familiar with Cloward and Piven but, I am aware of thee ploy to crash the united States by making entitlements so big that gov couldn't pay them Ballooning the ND is another arm in that direction.

Cloward and Piven, is to the progressive liberals as the Constitution is to freedom and liberty.

It lays out the strategy that has led to where we are.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Homestead wrote:

Cloward and Piven, is to the progressive liberals as the Constitution is to freedom and liberty.

It lays out the strategy that has led to where we are.

I might be wrong but cloward and Piven were Professors at Harvard? but they were Marxists.

Homestead

claytonln wrote:

I might be wrong but cloward and Piven were Professors at Harvard? but they were Marxists.

Yes sir, and close friends with Bill Ayers of the 1969 Weather Underground, he co-founded.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Homestead wrote:

Yes sir, and close friends with Bill Ayers of the 1969 Weather Underground, he co-founded.

I read about them a while back when I was researching Bill Clinton. Their names come up alot when you research Democrats.

Homestead

claytonln wrote:

I read about them a while back when I was researching Bill Clinton. Their names come up alot when you research Democrats.

When you get into it, you'll come across a statement made by Hillary Clinton, where she says she's a twentieth century progressive.

It takes a while to track down just what that is, Glen Beck, did a couple of shows on it and ultimately, it means communist.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Homestead wrote:

When you get into it, you'll come across a statement made by Hillary Clinton, where she says she's a twentieth century progressive.

It takes a while to track down just what that is, Glen Beck, did a couple of shows on it and ultimately, it means communist.

yes I have seen that.

Comment Loc: California

claytonln wrote:

I might be wrong but cloward and Piven were Professors at Harvard? but they were Marxists.

Columbia. married

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Billhuggins wrote:

Columbia. married

I knew they were married but I wasn't sure about the University. Been awhile since I read about them.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.
James Madison

carolyn

faithistheword wrote:

Absolutely!
Colorado should be the standard--the goal --for all states. Well, CA and NY will never rebel, but they're broke. There are people who have been fighting the good fight for a long time. Joe Arpaio comes to mind. When this country was first settled, there were only a couple hundred Englishmen who were willing to make the journey. They were chastised, too. But we don't have a place like America to go to--we have to fight for this one!

You are absolutely right. This might very well be the last fight we ever fight for the United States of America.