AntiPropaganda,
I suppose my long posts are to what you are referring. If that is the case, I would love to hear your feedback on the points raised.
Getting thumbs up is nice (thank you posters) but I seek a much deeper level dialog on this thread topic "The Sacred Cow No One is Talking About", and I appreciate NightStalker beginning this thread.
My thought was to bring willing participants up to speed, for many have not heard the term PetroDollar before, so that we could engage much deeper into the Sacred Cow.
I do want your thoughts on my 'long posts'. I can feed just bits and nuggets at a time; however, as I have repeated in my long posts there is so much more to this subject, I was just scratching the surface. The source material is not right or left leaning perspectives. In most cases we can go to the source documents.

I am sure you are capable to using Thomas at the Library of Congress to research, but for many other posters this may be the first time they have seen this link.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php

Common terms like SCOTUS, POTUS, and USAID I'm sure you understand; well, perhaps I am being too pedantic.

I apologize for my long posts. I was hoping for better interaction on the issues raised. Solutions, I have some idea, however after the issues are understood we can share thoughts.
Tim

There is no doubt about that at all. It's a matter of time and 60% unemployment will result from it. That will be the time that you will need to help your neighbor and family and work together as a community to get through. Did you read my post at the top of page 6? There are other factions involved all working together for the same agenda. If one is confronted and meets it's demise, there are others that will keep their socialistic agendas going. Organized religion, the drug, oil and financial industries are only but a few that are involved. They want a crisis to come to create chaos so it gives them a reason to set up martial law to instill total control over the masses. They will get that if people resort to violence. That is why all of our efforts will have to be dome peacefully even if those in power try to provoke violence like they did with the Wall street protesters when they sprayed them with pepper spray without any provocation from the protesters. They wanted the people to riot to squash them and blame the people for it.

I don't think you're following. In internet lingo, a "troll" is someone who goes on message boards to say inflamatory things and get people riled up for fun. Like going on a cancer-survivor website and saying that God meant for people with cancer to die, just so people will be offended.

I wasn't calling real believers "trolls." To the contrary, a real believer is the opposite of a troll, since trolls are really just trying to get people upset and don't believe what they are saying.

Did not meant to offend.

Looking at all the post titles on this forum, I see what could best be described as attempts to treat the symptoms and ignore the disease. So lets describe the symptoms and maybe we can diagnose the disease.
1. A nation divided.
2. Unsustainable National debt.
3. Massive decline of the middle class.
4. Unacceptable unemployment and under employment.
5. Decline of purchasing power of the dollar. (true rate of inflation).
6. No accountability within gov.
7. Secrecy instead of transparency.
8. Failing education system.
9. Abandonment of personal responsibility.
10. Decline of acceptable moral values.
11. Massive rise of the dependency state.
12. Disregard for, and growing disdain for the constitution and it's intent.

Certainly there are many more items that could be listed, but you get the point.

At this point I would suggest that all the above problems have not occurred by accident nor by ignorance, but in reality have been deliberately planned and implemented by special interests, who wield enormous global financial and political power. The term New World Order will suit for the time being.
For those who will scream conspiracy theorist, I would suggest that you consult history as far back as the ancient Egyptian, Roman, Greek and Babylon empires and you will find that in governments, conspiracies have been the norm, and not the exception. So is the nature of mankind. Once power is acquired, it is never relinquished voluntarily.
Our founding fathers recognized this flaw of human nature and produced a document that "could" prevent it, provided we remained vigilant and educated as to the consequences of ignoring or tampering with it.

So who are today's tyrants and what is their MO.
Start with the formation of the CFR and Trilateral Commission. Throw in the Bilderbergs , World Bank, IMF, WTO, and the Fed and you have the operators. A very interesting list of past and present members of the CFR and Trilateral Commission who are or were at high levels of every administration is eye opening.
Their MO is right out of the communist manifesto. But how could that be. Start with the education (re-education) of our kids in progressive dominated colleges and universities. Preach liberation theology. Teach working hard and accumulation of money is evil. . Promise more than you know you can deliver, and instill a since of victimization and you have a voting block. Use race, sex, gender ID, and class warfare and walla there is divide and conquer. Explode the size of government and social dependency and walla again, you got insurmountable debt. etc,etc..These are what Marx called the useful idiots, who once the objective is met are totally expendable.

So here comes the sacred cow. Globalization. Global trade unions like NAFTA, CAFTA, EU, APEC, African union etc, were the direct brain child of the Trilateral and CFR bunch.
The minutes of the 1991 Trilateral Commission began with the speaker, who was the CEO of the largest bank in Japan. He addressed the members with this quote. " Gentlemen, what you must understand is that these global trade unions have little if anything to do with trade, and everything to do with restructuring the global politic". He went on to say that the plan was to establish these regional unions; that the treaties were designed to be irreversible and irrevocable. Note that ()treaties dilute the sovereignty of all signatories. Once the global trade unions were established it would only be a matter of time until they would be merged under the umbrella of a global governance.

After the meeting, a reporter interviewed David Rockefeller and asked; " Mr Rockefeller, your organization has advocated a One World Government since it's inception; What do you have to do to make it happen?" Rockefeller answered "everything we need is already in place, all we need now is one good crisis".
The reported then turned to Brzezinski and asked "what you advocate is a global socialist order; what makes you think America will ever accept Socialism"? Brzezinski's response was " America will never accept Socialism until the middle class is standing in the bread lines"!

The events that have unfolded in this nation since, seem to me to parallel those remarks. What say you?
Enough for now. Fire away :roll:

Thank you, I guess I didn't get your meaning of Troll. I guess I'll open my bridge.

Back to the subject and back on track.

Have friends that work for the Big Oil Companies, Here and Canada. Most of them think that the US Dollar will lose its classification. I fell that we need to cut all ties with the Middle East and live on what can be produced here, and let the Middle East drown in thier Petro. We have enough oil in the ground that we can become self-sufficient. To heck with the rest of the world. But, Obambam won't let that happen on his watch, because of ties with the Midde East.

Green Energy would be great, if we could find Companies that didn't go under because they don't have their shit together. Progress is starting to happen, but its all trial and error. Wind to generate Electricity, that happening in CA and NM. I am sure there are more, but these are the ones I know about.

I don't like saying harsh things about people. But people that support the Right Wing agenda come up a bit short in under standing what is going on.

If they are to be woken up it will take more than an alarm clock. They are more than just a sleep. There must be something in their kool-aide.

Our choice of words must be kind & not to shocking to them.
Having been in the dark a bright lite might shock them.

I think we need to ask them just what it is about the past that makes them want to keep it. After all they are in the same boat with us & we need help bailing out the water that is sinking us & them.

How condescending!

It is your fuzzy thinking that is sinking the proverbial boat in which you find yourself.

Those of us you wish to awaken, actually, propagandize, were awake this entire time, for the masses you speak of existed in the middle ages in far-away lands.

Americans have never been intelligently referred to as "the masses" as we're all individuals out here in the "hinterland."

I don't know what you consider the "right wing agenda" to be, as you appear to be capable only of ridiculing it, and totally incapable of articulating it, and if you did you'd be wrong.

You worry about the past. We're worried about the future, as the malicious idiots in charge of the country are busily trying to destroy it, as you stand amidst your conspiracy theories.

We understand from whence we came, as well as where we're going. You, not so much.

Lots of issues here, though certainly good points.

1) It would be nice if we could break from the Middle East but what evidence have you seen that there is enough oil in the ground in the United States to support domestic consumption? Every study I've ever heard of says that if we drilled every area we know that has oil, domestic production would still be nowhere near enough to supplant Middle East production.
Just for your informtion: America: Top Oil Producer by 2017?

Will the U.S. Become World’s Largest Oil Producer? The Surprising News about U.S. Oil Production

by Keith Schaefer on November 3, 2011


The U.S. likes to fancy itself as a place that does everything a bit bigger and better than the rest of the world and while some of this might just be American bluster, the Yanks have plenty to crow about it when it comes to oil production in recent years.

James Burkhard, the managing director of IHS CERA’s Global Oil Group, said at a Montana Petroleum Association conference that U.S. production of oil increased by 1.2 million barrels per day between 2008 and 2010, reports the Billings Gazette. This reversed four decades of decreasing domestic oil production.

“Not only have we reversed the trend, we’re reversing that in a very big way,” Burkhard said.

However, the U.S. may not be done when it comes to upping its oil production as The Sunday Times recently quoted a report released by Goldman Sachs that predicts America will become the world’s largest oil producer by the year 2017. This estimate was obtained by using a different definition of oil and utilizing generous estimates for liquids-rich shale production, according to The Oil Drum.

Using these new parameters, the report predicts that U.S. daily production of oil will rise to 10.9 million barrels in 2017 from the current level of 8.3 million barrels, according to the media outlet. This estimate is not unreasonable when one considers the growth the country attained between 2008 and 2010.

The news source states that how Goldman Sachs arrived at the current production level of 8.3 million barrels of oil per day is ambiguous. June oil production for the country averaged 5.6 million barrels per day in June, the Energy Information Agency (EIA) reports.

Predictions for U.S. oil production released by the EIA differ from the figures released by Goldman Sachs. U.S. crude oil production will increase to roughly 6 million barrels of oil per day by 2020, according to the agency’s 2011 Annual Energy Outlook. The EIA attributes gains in production to larger shale oil resources and new enhanced oil recovery techniques. The agency states that the Eagle Ford shale, Bakken formation and the Marcellus shale will all contribute to this rise in production.


2) The notion that we won't cut our usage of Middle East oil because of Obama is preposterous. We've been addicted to Middle East oil since the 1970s, and Republican presidents have had more than enough opportunity to cut our ties to the Middle East. President Bush (the second one) actually went to war under the premises that ousting Saddam Hussein would free up oil, and drive prices down.

Well, the premises was wrong, and we fought a war that we should have never started over WMD. Oil was secondary.

3) What ties to the Middle East does President Obama have?