TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

AntiPropaganda,
I suppose my long posts are to what you are referring. If that is the case, I would love to hear your feedback on the points raised.
Getting thumbs up is nice (thank you posters) but I seek a much deeper level dialog on this thread topic "The Sacred Cow No One is Talking About", and I appreciate NightStalker beginning this thread.
My thought was to bring willing participants up to speed, for many have not heard the term PetroDollar before, so that we could engage much deeper into the Sacred Cow.
I do want your thoughts on my 'long posts'. I can feed just bits and nuggets at a time; however, as I have repeated in my long posts there is so much more to this subject, I was just scratching the surface. The source material is not right or left leaning perspectives. In most cases we can go to the source documents.

I am sure you are capable to using Thomas at the Library of Congress to research, but for many other posters this may be the first time they have seen this link.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php

Common terms like SCOTUS, POTUS, and USAID I'm sure you understand; well, perhaps I am being too pedantic.

I apologize for my long posts. I was hoping for better interaction on the issues raised. Solutions, I have some idea, however after the issues are understood we can share thoughts.
Tim

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

In general you make a good point.

It seems now that we are getting to where the real problem is.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

antipropaganda

Someone needs to. I am waiting to find others that want to actively and are brave enough to put it on the line to start movements in a peaceful manner over violence. Violence as a last resort in defense only. I would like to be a part of a movement that helps humanity move forward. The big money greedy few that think they are better than the rest because they have money and power will destroy humanity and are the biggest hypocrates in human history. If they succeed in their socialistic goals, it will only last for so long. That's because history shows again and again that revolts will inevitably arise and they will fall again. They do not learn from the past and that is just sad and insulting of the human race and intellect.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

As do I, I believe that the first steps we can take is to get informed. Share dialog on the issues and work to determination of root cause.

You are correct geopolitical history will reveal there has always existed the concept of Utopia (one world perfect gov't), and those who are in opposition seeking Liberty.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

At last a breath of fresh air has come to this forum.
To many here have just skimmed the top of issues.

It seems that many posters here believed that what we have today is the good that has come form the system in place.

A system with built in flaws.

I have longed believed that at some time there would be a world order. But in some misguided way missed how bad it could be if there was no true justice.

The voices being heard here to day may go a long way to making the world a better place to live in for those that sorely need hope.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

A PetroDollar system that is soon to crash.

antipropaganda

Pardon me if you took offense to my statement. I have no problem with long posts when information is brought out to people that may not know of such things. I put on a long post here and got no response to it and that's fine.
I have heard of the petrodollar yes. After WWII the world leaders had meetings to discuss world commerce and were looking for a way to make it easier for trade in general and they settled on the US dollar. Oil was the biggest commodity. So now a simpler system was set up, it made it an easy target for the greedy lusting for power and control to take it over. The 2 largest industries in the world that make money off of everyone and every business are the financial and oil industries. They pull all the strings and make all the rules on how the world runs. They work hand in hand. The problem is they were allowed to get too big and powerful and naturally other rising powers don't like the fact that they have no control over how things are done in such cases and feel it as a threat to their own national securities. Now they have the power to do something about it and are by trading with each others outside of the old system and have the influence to give other nations options they may feel will benefit them better. Will it create chaos? Of course. Those in control of the petrodollar will do just about anything they can to keep that control wanting the world to submit to their agendas only. If they control the oil, they control the world. That is why we need to bring out forbidden green technology that will put an end to that control. No one entity should have that much power. Perpetual generation is the cleanest and free energy that can be used in homes, cars, planes trains, etc........ Absolute free continuous clean energy. If we fight to bring this forbidden technology to be produced, our costs of living, manufacturing will reduce so the common people can afford more amenities and our products can be more competitive on the world market. With oil out of the way, there would be less reason for wars.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

AntiPropaganda,
Finance and Oil, They are hand in hand. That is exactly what I was bringing about in my earlier posts. Wheels are in motion to replace the US Dollar as a Global Reserve Currency. IMF is advocating it again (last time IMF chief Dominic Strass-Kahn was set up and disgraced--source in my earlier post).
There is a bubble and it is going to burst.

antipropaganda

There is no doubt about that at all. It's a matter of time and 60% unemployment will result from it. That will be the time that you will need to help your neighbor and family and work together as a community to get through. Did you read my post at the top of page 6? There are other factions involved all working together for the same agenda. If one is confronted and meets it's demise, there are others that will keep their socialistic agendas going. Organized religion, the drug, oil and financial industries are only but a few that are involved. They want a crisis to come to create chaos so it gives them a reason to set up martial law to instill total control over the masses. They will get that if people resort to violence. That is why all of our efforts will have to be dome peacefully even if those in power try to provoke violence like they did with the Wall street protesters when they sprayed them with pepper spray without any provocation from the protesters. They wanted the people to riot to squash them and blame the people for it.

ashbrocha

I don't think you're following. In internet lingo, a "troll" is someone who goes on message boards to say inflamatory things and get people riled up for fun. Like going on a cancer-survivor website and saying that God meant for people with cancer to die, just so people will be offended.

I wasn't calling real believers "trolls." To the contrary, a real believer is the opposite of a troll, since trolls are really just trying to get people upset and don't believe what they are saying.

Did not meant to offend.

nightstalker

[quote=antipropaganda]I have been reading all these posts and many good points were stated. I have been making connections all of my life about things that have been going on from history up to today. There has been civilizations that have risen and fallen that are not in the history books. They have risen and fallen for tens of thousands of years before written history. Discoveries are being found of ancient cities under water that have existed during the ice age. There are events that are recorded in ancient Indian and Chinese records that are dismissed as myths or pure legends. There are truths behind those stories. The cause of their demise I will not get into right now, for most of you will not want to try to believe. Now most of you if not all believe that the new world order is just now starting. That is not so. It is said that all the prophesies will come true when the NWO comes to existence. Well the prophesies have been coming true for almost 2,000 yrs now. It has gone unnoticed because of it being on a small scale, but as the population rises and new technology comes out, they are becoming more noticeable and on a grander scale. This is where and when the NWO started: When Constantine won the war to take over the Roman empire, he told the church to come out with one book to supersede all the books that were out there to put people under one rule. From there the Catholic church rose to power, that was the first branch of the new NWO. They spread throughout the land and over seas. When the Nights Templar that were doing some of the crusades for the church got too powerful, the church with the French went after them. So the Templars had to go underground. When settlers started to come to North America for freedom of religion, that is when the church started to lose their power over the people. Then the American Revolution happened and the constitution was written, the church had no say at all on how the people were governed. The free masons( the Templars) played a huge part in our constitution to prevent tyranny rule. Other governments started to adapt that policy sfter that. So the NWO had to create other branches to get back control. Shortly before Lincoln took office, they were organizing and making their move. When Lincoln declared war and used the freedom of slaves as a cover to hide what the true reason was. To keep the nation together and solidified big government that are controlled by big money organizations. Now the NWO has the foothold on America that they want. I read here that someone say something about freedom of speech, well it's not as free as you would like to think. The biased medias will censor anything they do not agree with that might go against the agenda of their affiliated parties. One of our founding fathers once said that the fall of our nation will be caused by a two party system, that is not the exact quote but you get the point. It was also said the diversity makes us stronger, but there is no diversity in our government with a two party system working together to split the country in two creating chaos. There needs to be four or more parties in our government to have that diversity and to create more of a balance. For those that believe " I am just one person, I can't change things", yes you can. If all those that think that did what I am about to suggest then, yes WE THE PEOPLE can make a difference. Here they are;

1) Do not re-elect anyone in office so big money has to start over with their legalized bribes. Elect other parties in, in greater numbers.

2) Support Mom and Pop shops AKA privately owned business' so that new innovations can come out for humanities benefit instead of being stagnated by the monopolies that are now in charge. It will also keep the local economy going.

3) Create a forum that public views and concerns can be posted and evaluated and in some cases after the evaluations are done are voted on by the public as to how our government should be ran. This to ensure that freedom of speech is secure and not censored.

4) All governmental activities should be televised and recorded at all times to ensure our freedoms are not compromised by shady deals behind the scenes.

5) Stop buying products and services from the monopolies to cut them down to size if not bankrupt them, so they no longer have the power to sway our government in any way.

6) Set up a forum that is like a watch dog that people can post any shady dealings that corporations may make that will harm peoples health, wealth, freedoms and the environment that can be investigated and dealt with accordingly.

7) Force a mandate on monopolies that hide useful innovations for green energy like perpetual generation and force the drug companies to bring out the cures that they cover up and hide. All things of this nature.

8) Make sure all laws, existing and new are put in a language that all citizens can understand and change as the needs arise. Also all new bills put to the floor gets voted on for their intent and purposes, not to be held hostage by earmarks of any kind. Otherwords, no ear marks added whatsoever.

There are many things that can be added to this list, this is just a start of the things that WE THE PEOPLE can start with.
I have to leave now for awhile. I look forward to any comments to this post when I get back and will reply to those that have something intelligent to say.[/quote

Welcome to the world of thinkers. Glad to see someone who does his own research. The first politician who has the guts to speak as you do, gets my vote!!
Folks pay attention to what he says. He speaks the truth. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

nightstalker

You are correct Tim. There is too much info to discuss in one-liners. But I think antipro is on the same page as us.This is my thread and you can elaborate as long as you want to. :D :D :D

scottyb

And what a thread! You join up, put forward a concise and poignant post straight out of gate and manage the thread like a pro. Guessing this ain't your first rodeo! Congrtats :thumbup: :D

Homestead

Get a clue, Jackass

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faithistheword

MOM--though I think I'm old enough to be your parent--You hit the nail on the head. We don't go to their sites just to abuse them, but when they write here, they call us Trolls, because we don't follow their lead! What smart alecks!