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Devil's Advocate (hoping Loki will edify, correct and expand)
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Apr 12, 2015 00:02:22   #
fiatlux
 
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is an earnest and uncompromising search for truth that deeply and seriously challenges all our beliefs. But how is that possible or right or good? If I take the Gospel to be such and such as truth, as proven in my mind by scripture, how or why should I argue against it unless to provide a foothold for Satan? Playing the Devil's Advocate seems a devil's game. One to create doubt or question. A liberal folly to undermine certainty in and support for reliable dogma and theology, tradition. The truth shall set you free: why challenge it? Why not?

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Apr 12, 2015 00:46:05   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
fiatlux wrote:
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is an earnest and uncompromising search for truth that deeply and seriously challenges all our beliefs. But how is that possible or right or good? If I take the Gospel to be such and such as truth, as proven in my mind by scripture, how or why should I argue against it unless to provide a foothold for Satan? Playing the Devil's Advocate seems a devil's game. One to create doubt or question. A liberal folly to undermine certainty in and support for reliable dogma and theology, tradition. The truth shall set you free: why challenge it? Why not?
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Agreed! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 12, 2015 01:39:40   #
asphaltman
 
fiatlux wrote:
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is an earnest and uncompromising search for truth that deeply and seriously challenges all our beliefs. But how is that possible or right or good? If I take the Gospel to be such and such as truth, as proven in my mind by scripture, how or why should I argue against it unless to provide a foothold for Satan? Playing the Devil's Advocate seems a devil's game. One to create doubt or question. A liberal folly to undermine certainty in and support for reliable dogma and theology, tradition. The truth shall set you free: why challenge it? Why not?
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is ... (show quote)


God bless you

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Apr 12, 2015 01:43:09   #
fiatlux
 
asphaltman wrote:
God bless you


Thank you. Always welcome a god bless.

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Apr 12, 2015 10:47:50   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
fiatlux wrote:
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is an earnest and uncompromising search for truth that deeply and seriously challenges all our beliefs. But how is that possible or right or good? If I take the Gospel to be such and such as truth, as proven in my mind by scripture, how or why should I argue against it unless to provide a foothold for Satan? Playing the Devil's Advocate seems a devil's game. One to create doubt or question. A liberal folly to undermine certainty in and support for reliable dogma and theology, tradition. The truth shall set you free: why challenge it? Why not?
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is ... (show quote)
Wow that's heavy. I see you are a true intellectual. I can't think up stuff like that. I am just too simple. Read thru it a couple times to get your meaning and I think I got it. What is is what ain't ain't. You are allright.

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Apr 12, 2015 12:45:04   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Wow that's heavy. I see you are a true intellectual. I can't think up stuff like that. I am just too simple. Read thru it a couple times to get your meaning and I think I got it. What is is what ain't ain't. You are allright.


Si. She is AOK.

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Apr 12, 2015 12:59:09   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
fiatlux wrote:
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is an earnest and uncompromising search for truth that deeply and seriously challenges all our beliefs. But how is that possible or right or good? If I take the Gospel to be such and such as truth, as proven in my mind by scripture, how or why should I argue against it unless to provide a foothold for Satan? Playing the Devil's Advocate seems a devil's game. One to create doubt or question. A liberal folly to undermine certainty in and support for reliable dogma and theology, tradition. The truth shall set you free: why challenge it? Why not?
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is ... (show quote)


Loki has to go to the grocery store. Edifications, expansions and corrections as deemed necessary in due course. First things first, and I have a pot roast to marinate. Oven or Crockpot? Shiraz or merlot? should I break out some of my frozen homemade Sauce Espagnole? It's tough when you have these earth-shattering decisions to make.

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Apr 12, 2015 14:18:52   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Loki wrote:
Loki has to go to the grocery store. Edifications, expansions and corrections as deemed necessary in due course. First things first, and I have a pot roast to marinate. Oven or Crockpot? Shiraz or merlot? should I break out some of my frozen homemade Sauce Espagnole? It's tough when you have these earth-shattering decisions to make.


Decisions, decisions, decisions. Yes, we are always confronted with having to make decisions. They are a bane to our existence. :cry:

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Apr 12, 2015 14:41:26   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Loki wrote:
Loki has to go to the grocery store. Edifications, expansions and corrections as deemed necessary in due course. First things first, and I have a pot roast to marinate. Oven or Crockpot? Shiraz or merlot? should I break out some of my frozen homemade Sauce Espagnole? It's tough when you have these earth-shattering decisions to make.


I say for a pot roast use Zinfandel - the spicy notes are great for that cut and the slow cooking. Or go for a Pinot Noir, which is the main grape for Burgundies, and essential for that French pot roast, Boeuf Bourguignon.

As a little addendum, I came across this little cartoon below, and of course thought immediately of our friend Loki and his extraordinary linguistic skills!



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Apr 12, 2015 14:50:10   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I say for a pot roast use Zinfandel - the spicy notes are great for that cut and the slow cooking. Or go for a Pinot Noir, which is the main grape for Burgundies, and essential for that French pot roast, Boeuf Bourguignon.

As a little addendum, I came across this little cartoon below, and of course thought immediately of our friend Loki and his extraordinary linguistic skills!


:lol: :lol: :lol: I sometimes feel the same when conversing with Loki. :oops:

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Apr 12, 2015 16:07:56   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
fiatlux wrote:
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is an earnest and uncompromising search for truth that deeply and seriously challenges all our beliefs. But how is that possible or right or good? If I take the Gospel to be such and such as truth, as proven in my mind by scripture, how or why should I argue against it unless to provide a foothold for Satan? Playing the Devil's Advocate seems a devil's game. One to create doubt or question. A liberal folly to undermine certainty in and support for reliable dogma and theology, tradition. The truth shall set you free: why challenge it? Why not?
Playing the Devil's Advocate is not a game; it is ... (show quote)


I mentioned previously; I used to be on a debating team in college. Theprofessor felt that if you expected a passing grade, you had to be able to mount a vociferous defense of a position or situation that you personally found odious. Due in no small part to my big mouth and natural truculence, I found myself being "Mr. Vociferous" frequently.
People who make an honest effort at playing "Devil's Advocate" frequently have pretty ironclad opinions, simply because they have honestly examined a subject from at least two different perspectives. At the risk of offending Hegelian affecionados, there is often much more than a thesis, antithesis and synthesis involved in reaching a satisfactory conclusion.
There can be no accurate conclusion reached if Devil's Advocacy is not practiced. I have, more than once, changed my mind from a first impression or opinion.

Doubts and questions are an integral and indispensible part of the process of arriving at the truth. Thusly doth Loke render his opinion.

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Apr 12, 2015 16:39:22   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Loki wrote:
I mentioned previously; I used to be on a debating team in college. Theprofessor felt that if you expected a passing grade, you had to be able to mount a vociferous defense of a position or situation that you personally found odious. Due in no small part to my big mouth and natural truculence, I found myself being "Mr. Vociferous" frequently.
People who make an honest effort at playing "Devil's Advocate" frequently have pretty ironclad opinions, simply because they have honestly examined a subject from at least two different perspectives. At the risk of offending Hegelian affecionados, there is often much more than a thesis, antithesis and synthesis involved in reaching a satisfactory conclusion.
There can be no accurate conclusion reached if Devil's Advocacy is not practiced. I have, more than once, changed my mind from a first impression or opinion.

Doubts and questions are an integral and indispensible part of the process of arriving at the truth. Thusly doth Loke render his opinion.
I mentioned previously; I used to be on a debating... (show quote)


Here, here!

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Apr 12, 2015 16:42:30   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Loki wrote:
I mentioned previously; I used to be on a debating team in college. Theprofessor felt that if you expected a passing grade, you had to be able to mount a vociferous defense of a position or situation that you personally found odious. Due in no small part to my big mouth and natural truculence, I found myself being "Mr. Vociferous" frequently.
People who make an honest effort at playing "Devil's Advocate" frequently have pretty ironclad opinions, simply because they have honestly examined a subject from at least two different perspectives. At the risk of offending Hegelian affecionados, there is often much more than a thesis, antithesis and synthesis involved in reaching a satisfactory conclusion.
There can be no accurate conclusion reached if Devil's Advocacy is not practiced. I have, more than once, changed my mind from a first impression or opinion.

Doubts and questions are an integral and indispensible part of the process of arriving at the truth. Thusly doth Loke render his opinion.
I mentioned previously; I used to be on a debating... (show quote)


Forget the philosophy. How was the pot roast? :-) :lol: :roll:

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Apr 12, 2015 17:27:58   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
AuntiE wrote:
Forget the philosophy. How was the pot roast? :-) :lol: :roll:



Ask me about 8:00

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Apr 12, 2015 17:34:02   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Loki wrote:
Ask me about 8:00


Due to receipt of ducats in the mail, I am going to have Brunswick Stew provided by a barbeque restaurant. :thumbup: :D :-P

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