jelun

You should probably go look up that marriage info and get it straight and then return or start a new thread and admit that you were mistaken and too much of a deceiver to admit it.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

You ignored the facts when presented to you, so why should I answer your question?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

You are the deceiver and I have 47 pages to prove it.

jelun

Oh, indulge me.
Just post the link that you must have that tells us that there is no civil requirement to get married in a church.
Just think of the public service you could be providing all of the single folks on OPP.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

The civil authority of Vatican City is the Church. And Vatican City is separate from the Italian Authority. Look it up. That is where I got you. But if you use places like London, Paris, or Mexico City, you must abide by the civil authority of those cities. That is what I tried to get you to see. But instead you went headstrong into another side of the debate, without noticing that Vatican City is the only nation on earth anymore run by the Roman Catholic Church.

Look it up online who the authority of Vatican City is, and you will find it is not the Italian authority, but the Church's authority.

If you ever get a chance to go, it is a beautiful city, been their twice. Beautiful city, simply beautiful.

jelun

I guess that is a close as I will get to an admission that you are FOS and have no idea what you are talking about.
I have linked to pages and printed the whole thing out for you.
Churches cannot legally marry anyone without the state getting their piece of the action.
You had better tell your wife that if she listened to you there is not legal marriage.

One more time, see this?
Tue Apr 07 2015 19:14:18 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

GETTING MARRIED IN THE VATICAN
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Many Catholics are interested in being married at St. Peter's Basilica. If your priest lives in Rome, he can make the arrangements for you. Couples need to begin the process no more than six months and no less than four months before the intended wedding date. If you are interested in getting married in Rome (outside the Vatican City), please visit the American Embassy to Italy website at http://italy.usembassy.gov/acs/marriage/general-marriage.html for information about requirements and other consular-related issues.
http://vatican.usembassy.gov/vatican/married.html

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Why are you ignoring once again, The Church is the authority of Vatican City.? Do you not read? Look at it again, the Roman Catholic Church is the authority of Vatican City, the republic.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

How in the world did God ever put up with stubborn humans like us. Wow!

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Colorado double standard: Bakers should not be forced to make anti-gay cakes
Todd Starnes
By Todd StarnesPublished April 07, 2015FoxNews.com
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Marjorie Silva owns Azucar Bakery in Denver. (Ivan Moreno/AP)
Bill Jack wants to make one thing perfectly clear: Bakers should not be forced to make a cake that would violate their conscience or freedom of expression.

Jack, of Castle Rock, Colo., is making national headlines over an experiment he conducted in the wake of attacks on Christian business owners who refuse to provide services for same-sex marriages.

Last year, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission ruled that the Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood unlawfully discriminated against a gay couple who wanted a wedding cake. Jack Phillips, the owner of the cake shop, is a devout Christian, and his attorneys argued that to force him to participate in the gay wedding would violate his religious beliefs.
The Civil Rights Commission saw it differently.

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So if Christian bakers who oppose gay marriage are compelled under law to violate their beliefs – what about bakers who support gay marriage? Would they be compelled to make an anti-gay marriage cake?

Jack, who is a devout Christian, asked three bakeries to produce two cakes – each shaped like an open Bible.

On one side of one cake he requested the words, “God hates sin – Psalm 45:7.” On the other side he wanted the words, “Homosexuality is a detestable sin – Leviticus 18:22.”

On the second cake he asked them to write another Bible verse: “While we were yet sinners Christ died for us – Romans 5:8” along with the words “God loves sinners.”

And finally, Jack wanted the bakers to create an image – two grooms holding hands, with a red “X” over them – the universal symbol for “not allowed.”

Now if you read the national news accounts of Jack’s experiment – you would’ve read that he wanted gay slurs written on the cakes. But that wasn’t true.

According to the commission’s own report, there’s no mention of Jack using any gay slurs – unless you consider Bible verses to be gay slurs.

Mark Silverstein, the legal director for Colorado’s chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, accused Jack of wanting obscenities written on the cakes.

“There’s no law that says that a cake-maker has to write obscenities in the cake just because the customer wants it,” he told the Associated Press.

Does the ACLU consider the Bible to be obscene?

As you probably guessed, the bakeries rejected Jack’s request for what some would call “anti-gay” cakes.

“If he wants to hate people, he can hate them not here in my bakery,” Azucar Bakery owner Marjorie Silva told 7NEWS. She called the writing and imagery “hateful and offensive.”

So Jack filed a discrimination complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission – just as the gay couple did in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case.

Using the commission’s logic – if a Christian baker is forced to violate his beliefs, shouldn’t all bakers be forced to violate theirs, too?

Absolutely not, says the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

It ruled that Azucar did not discriminate against Jack based on his creed. It argued that the bakery refused to make the cakes because of the “derogatory language and imagery,” The Denver Channel reported.

Jack told me it’s a double standard – pure and simple.

“I think it is hypocritical,” he said. “It’s unequal treatment before the law. The Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act is being used to coerce businesses to participate in events that violate their consciences.”

Jack said he decided to conduct his experiment to prove the Colorado law was “only being applied to Christian business people.”

“Christians need to understand that this is the state of Christianity in the United States,” he said. “We are now second-class citizens. Our free speech is being censored.”

To be clear, Jack believes the bakeries had the right to deny him service. His point was to draw attention to the hypocrisy.

“I stand for liberty for all, not liberty for some,” he said. “If we don’t have liberty for all, then we have liberty for none.”

Alliance Defending Freedom is a religious liberty law firm that represents the Masterpiece Cakeshop.

It believes the Civil Rights Commission reached the right conclusion in Jack’s case, but it blasted the commission’s inconsistencies when it came to the case involving its client.

“The commission’s inconsistent rulings mean that the owners of these three cake shops may run them according to their beliefs, while Jack cannot,” ADF attorney Jeremy Tedesco said.

“These cake artists should not be forced to violate their conscience, but clearly the commission should have done the same for Jack Phillips,” he said. “He risks losing his lifelong business altogether if he continues to run it consistent with his faith. Such blatant religious discrimination has no place in our society.”

That’s a great point. If the owner of Azucar Bakery can run her business according to her beliefs – why can’t the owner of the Masterpiece Cakeshop?

C.coterel

If JESUS CHRIST WALKED THE UNITED STATES TODAY,PREACHING THE GOSPEL HE WOULD BE CRUXIFIED. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS JUST LIKE SODOM&GOMORRAH.

C.coterel

If JESUS CHRIST WALKED THE UNITED STATES TODAY,PREACHING THE GOSPEL HE WOULD BE CRUXIFIED. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS JUST LIKE SODOM&GOMORRAH.

jelun

If Jesus of Nazareth walked the earth today nobody would notice their eyes are glued to their appliances.
However, you do realize that if the myth were true, it would have happened because God planned it, right?
The story is that Mary was impregnated so that Christ could save the world.
That this was such a dismal failure that now Christians are creating a scenario driven by the ravings of a mad man living in a cave is something to look forward to.

rebob14

After all that fleshly back and forth, I'd like know if anybody
noticed the term "idolatry of the Bible"? Come, let us be as gods.
The fact that that term was even used proves that the people
that used it are already on the broad way that Jesus warned
about.

rebob14

Love your logo. So.........your rights and mine aren't equal
if my values differ from your?

Common Sense Rebel

If I understand your point of view, you feel that you can do what ever you want with no thought of conscious.That you can lie, cheat, steal, have sex with whoever or whatever you want and its no one's business but your own.

You my brother are WRONG! If you believe in Jesus you would know that it's called tough love.

It is like raising children, When they make a mistake you have to correct them, punish them but you still LOVE them.