Black pastors protest invitation of homosexual pastor to speak at Baptist College
Apr 7, 2015 10:05:03 #
no propaganda please
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Glad to see that some pastors are speaking out against the moral relativism that is engulfing the churches.
March 16, 2015
The course of history changes at special moments when courageous individuals step up to take a stand, often at personal risk, on issues burning in controversy.
One of those moments was just celebrated with the commemoration of the historic civil rights march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama in March 1965.
Another such moment is unfolding before us today.
A group of some 150 black pastors, the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors, is standing in protest against an invitation from the American Baptist College, in Nashville, Tennessee, to Bishop Yvette Flunder to speak at the colleges annual Garnett-Nabrit Lecture Series, March 15-18.
These pastors are protesting because Bishop Flunder is an open Lesbian, legally married to another woman, and a proud and aggressive advocate of this lifestyle. In a press release, the pastors called this invitation irresponsible, scandalous, non-biblical, and certainly displeasing to God, and requested that Dr. Forrest Harris, president of the College, rescind the invite.
Both the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors and the American Baptist College are affiliated with the National Baptist Convention USA, which, with a reported 31,000 congregations and 7.5 million members, is the second largest predominantly black denomination in the United States.
The American Baptist College was founded almost a century ago and recently received designation as a Historically Black College and University. Many leaders and activists in the civil rights movement matriculated there, including renowned civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis (D-GA).
In addition to Bishop Flunder, two pastors who are advocates of same-sex marriage have been invited to share the platform with her.
The National Baptist Convention USA states with crystal clarity as positions on its website that National Baptist endorsed chaplains, although serving in a pluralist environment, are not to participate in any activity that implies or condones same sex marriage or same sex union. And, that the National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc., affirms that marriage is a sacred biblical covenant between a man and a woman.
The co-coordinators of the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors, Reverends Dwight McKissic and Randy Vaughn, say that the invitation from American Baptist College President Forrest Harris to Bishop Flunder trampled on the beliefs of the schools founders.
The pastor group expresses legitimate concern in their press release that no notice was provided to parents of the student body about the presentations that these advocates of same sex unions will make.
ABC President Harris has pushed back, defending his invitation of Bishop Flunder and criticizing the group of Concerned Pastors for idolatry of the Bible, which he defines as viewing the Bible as synonymous with God and t***h.
But if Christianity is about eternal principles and t***hs, to where exactly does President Harris turn for these principles if not to the Bible? The New York Times? The Washington Post? MSNBC?
Particularly powerful about the Concerned Pastors press release is its focus on the whole country and not one particular ethnic group.
They expressed concern for the state of our nation, our families, our churches, and our schools.
Data overwhelmingly shows the correlation of family breakdown with poverty and social pathology.
Yet the percentage of American adults today that are married has declined to around 50 percent compared to over 70 percent in the 1960s, at the time of the civil rights movement. Along with this we see dramatic increases in out-of-wedlock births and single parent households.
These pastors know that b****s are paying a particularly high price for the havoc that the moral relativism that has hijacked our national culture has wrought.
Now pastors are taking a stand. Enough. No more sitting quietly by as those posturing moral chaos as religion hijack our nation and our children.
These courageous black pastors are standing tall with t***h so our nation may have a future.
March 16, 2015
The course of history changes at special moments when courageous individuals step up to take a stand, often at personal risk, on issues burning in controversy.
One of those moments was just celebrated with the commemoration of the historic civil rights march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama in March 1965.
Another such moment is unfolding before us today.
A group of some 150 black pastors, the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors, is standing in protest against an invitation from the American Baptist College, in Nashville, Tennessee, to Bishop Yvette Flunder to speak at the colleges annual Garnett-Nabrit Lecture Series, March 15-18.
These pastors are protesting because Bishop Flunder is an open Lesbian, legally married to another woman, and a proud and aggressive advocate of this lifestyle. In a press release, the pastors called this invitation irresponsible, scandalous, non-biblical, and certainly displeasing to God, and requested that Dr. Forrest Harris, president of the College, rescind the invite.
Both the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors and the American Baptist College are affiliated with the National Baptist Convention USA, which, with a reported 31,000 congregations and 7.5 million members, is the second largest predominantly black denomination in the United States.
The American Baptist College was founded almost a century ago and recently received designation as a Historically Black College and University. Many leaders and activists in the civil rights movement matriculated there, including renowned civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis (D-GA).
In addition to Bishop Flunder, two pastors who are advocates of same-sex marriage have been invited to share the platform with her.
The National Baptist Convention USA states with crystal clarity as positions on its website that National Baptist endorsed chaplains, although serving in a pluralist environment, are not to participate in any activity that implies or condones same sex marriage or same sex union. And, that the National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc., affirms that marriage is a sacred biblical covenant between a man and a woman.
The co-coordinators of the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors, Reverends Dwight McKissic and Randy Vaughn, say that the invitation from American Baptist College President Forrest Harris to Bishop Flunder trampled on the beliefs of the schools founders.
The pastor group expresses legitimate concern in their press release that no notice was provided to parents of the student body about the presentations that these advocates of same sex unions will make.
ABC President Harris has pushed back, defending his invitation of Bishop Flunder and criticizing the group of Concerned Pastors for idolatry of the Bible, which he defines as viewing the Bible as synonymous with God and t***h.
But if Christianity is about eternal principles and t***hs, to where exactly does President Harris turn for these principles if not to the Bible? The New York Times? The Washington Post? MSNBC?
Particularly powerful about the Concerned Pastors press release is its focus on the whole country and not one particular ethnic group.
They expressed concern for the state of our nation, our families, our churches, and our schools.
Data overwhelmingly shows the correlation of family breakdown with poverty and social pathology.
Yet the percentage of American adults today that are married has declined to around 50 percent compared to over 70 percent in the 1960s, at the time of the civil rights movement. Along with this we see dramatic increases in out-of-wedlock births and single parent households.
These pastors know that b****s are paying a particularly high price for the havoc that the moral relativism that has hijacked our national culture has wrought.
Now pastors are taking a stand. Enough. No more sitting quietly by as those posturing moral chaos as religion hijack our nation and our children.
These courageous black pastors are standing tall with t***h so our nation may have a future.
Apr 7, 2015 11:01:41 #
no propaganda please wrote:
Glad to see that some pastors are speaking out aga... (show quote)
Just goes to show that h**e and bigotry trump Jesus' love and what some people should recognize about civil rights.
Apr 7, 2015 11:22:54 #
no propaganda please
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jelun wrote:
Just goes to show that h**e and bigotry trump Jesus' love and what some people should recognize about civil rights.
Apparently you believe that the most important thin out there is that "Civil rights" be given to behaviors not to people. Jesus didn't say that all acts were moral if you think that they should be because you want to do them. Jesus' love was such that He wanted you to stop sinning and lead a God fearing life, not that you should force others to love your sins and validate your behavior.
Apr 7, 2015 11:28:55 #
Nothing new. Black Pastors have always been very fundamentalist on this topic. I remember that they also had problems with MLK.
no propaganda please wrote:
Glad to see that some pastors are speaking out aga... (show quote)
Apr 7, 2015 12:21:24 #
jelun wrote:
Just goes to show that h**e and bigotry trump Jesus' love and what some people should recognize about civil rights.
H**e and bigotry are not the issue here. The issue is morality and the Church's reponsibility to uphold and represent God's morality here on earth. Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, " where are your judges, I judge you not but go forth and sin no more. God calls homsexuality an a*********n. It has nothing to do with his love for you. The great civilizations of Rome and Greece toppled because of their immoraliy. Even God's own chosen people, the Hebrews, were sent into captivity because they disobeyed his mandate of not marrying into pagan cultures with their "other" gods and the immorality that encompassed them. Is that the direction the US is heading towards as we allow more and more immoral and amoral practices to be "OK". The apostle Paul wrote "I will not frustrate(push it too far) the grace of God". Are we pushing that grace too far?
Apr 7, 2015 13:12:19 #
no propaganda please wrote:
Apparently you believe that the most important thin out there is that "Civil rights" be given to behaviors not to people. Jesus didn't say that all acts were moral if you think that they should be because you want to do them. Jesus' love was such that He wanted you to stop sinning and lead a God fearing life, not that you should force others to love your sins and validate your behavior.
Apparently, you don't understand that behaviors are completed by people. Jesus didn't say anything that concerns me.
You believe that he said many things that you should determine YOUR behaviors on if you believe them.
If Jesus of Nazareth wanted anything it was for his followers to love their neighbors. That would mean ALL the neighbors, right?
And no, I don't buy the "love the sinner, h**e the sin" bologna.
Apr 7, 2015 13:13:53 #
SeniorVerdad wrote:
H**e and bigotry are not the issue here. The issue... (show quote)
Nope, it is about tax exempt entities getting involved in politics.
These congregations should be told that if their pastors are going to be involved in the political world they had better start coughing up tax money.
Apr 7, 2015 13:51:37 #
jelun wrote:
Nope, it is about tax exempt entities getting involved in politics.
These congregations should be told that if their pastors are going to be involved in the political world they had better start coughing up tax money.
These congregations should be told that if their pastors are going to be involved in the political world they had better start coughing up tax money.
Totally incorrect. This issue had to do with a member of the clergy, who is supposed to be an upholder of scriptural principles, being confronted by her peers and a school that has invited her to speak. If you read up on the American Revolution, many controvertial figures and opponents of British rule were Reverands. Righteousness trancends all religious and political boundaries.
Apr 7, 2015 14:57:29 #
jelun wrote:
Just goes to show that h**e and bigotry trump Jesus' love and what some people should recognize about civil rights.
Apparently you do not agree with Jesus, Dr. Martin Luther King, or any of the Christians. For you believe your fight in the homosexual situation is comparable to Dr. Kings fight. Wrong......
For behold, the same community that supported King in 1965, refuses to support the homosexuals. And why because an overwhelming number of Christians are standing up for what is written in scriptures which clearly states the act of homosexuality is a sin.
Do you deny the written word?
Good post, No prop :thumbup: :thumbup:
Apr 7, 2015 15:13:48 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Apparently you do not agree with Jesus, Dr. Martin... (show quote)
Good post?
Where is that proof that you can marry in the Vatican without first doing civil paperwork?
Where is that proof that you can marry in the US without getting a marriage license and have that marriage recognized by the state?
Until you provide what you put forward and insist is true I have nothing else I want to hear from you until you admit that you were blowing smoke.
Apr 7, 2015 15:15:12 #
jelun wrote:
Good post?
Where is that proof that you can marry in the Vatican without first doing civil paperwork?
Where is that proof that you can marry in the US without getting a marriage license and have that marriage recognized by the state?
Until you provide what you put forward and insist is true I have nothing else I want to hear from you until you admit that you were blowing smoke.
Where is that proof that you can marry in the Vatican without first doing civil paperwork?
Where is that proof that you can marry in the US without getting a marriage license and have that marriage recognized by the state?
Until you provide what you put forward and insist is true I have nothing else I want to hear from you until you admit that you were blowing smoke.
Oh boo hooo hooo Jelun doesn't want to talk to me. Boo hoo hoo.
Really, she denies the written word and this is funny.
Apr 7, 2015 15:29:28 #
Apr 7, 2015 16:07:37 #
no propaganda please
Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
jelun wrote:
Apparently, you don't understand that behaviors are completed by people. Jesus didn't say anything that concerns me.
You believe that he said many things that you should determine YOUR behaviors on if you believe them.
If Jesus of Nazareth wanted anything it was for his followers to love their neighbors. That would mean ALL the neighbors, right?
And no, I don't buy the "love the sinner, h**e the sin" bologna.
You believe that he said many things that you should determine YOUR behaviors on if you believe them.
If Jesus of Nazareth wanted anything it was for his followers to love their neighbors. That would mean ALL the neighbors, right?
And no, I don't buy the "love the sinner, h**e the sin" bologna.
If I am not mistaken, on another thread you claimed that when Jesus said "Love one another" He meant that all his followers should have sex with one another. Your concept of love one another apparently DOES NOT include helping people be the best that they can be, honorable and free from sin. If what Jesus said and what Christianity is about are of no concern to you then why do you spend most of your time trying to claim Christians are so h**eful because we want all people to be as close to sinless as they can be?
Apr 7, 2015 17:29:25 #
SeniorVerdad wrote:
Totally incorrect. This issue had to do with a member of the clergy, who is supposed to be an upholder of scriptural principles, being confronted by her peers and a school that has invited her to speak. If you read up on the American Revolution, many controvertial figures and opponents of British rule were Reverands. Righteousness trancends all religious and political boundaries.
HAHAHAHAA, you don't know much about tax exempt status?
What would pre-revolution activity have to do with US tax codes?
Churches and their pastors have the same rights to freedom of expression as the rest of us, what the consequence of being involved in politics and gov't will be is loss of tax free existence.
Apr 7, 2015 17:32:37 #
ooo She's or should I say its back.....
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