eagleye13 wrote:
"Why would the people that already own the world through a debt system want to convert to a socialist system?"
That is how they got there.
No it's not. They got there mostly through the debt system which is 100% capitalist ...AND working out really well for them too. They also invest heavily in politics but that has nothing to do with economic systems or ideology. That's just rich people outbidding democracy for representation.
eagleye13 wrote:
Because under Communism and socialism, the state owns it all. They intend to own the state, or who runs the state.
What the state owns and who owns the state are two different things.
Who Owns the State:
In a democratic system, the state is owned by the people though legal representation. This is still the system defined by the U.S.Constitution, although it can be said that the PTB exercise a more effective ownership of the state through financial obligation and the purchase of influence, both of which are constitutionally questionable.
What the State Owns:
Socialist doctrine is concerned with what means of production the state owns and assumes the state itself is democratic, although less than democratic states have been known to exercise ownership of production. Some will argue that if the state isn't democratic then it's ownership of production isn't socialist. That's because democracy is the only thing that gives state ownership to the people. Otherwise, there is no distinction between socialism and any of the other forms of "private" ownership of the state and it's means of production that we've seen in history, such as monarchy.
Socialism presents no value to the PTB because they already have direct ownership of production. The last thing they want to do is nationalize it and give it away to the people.
I think what concerns many of the folks here on OPP is a simple matter of authority. Who tells us what we can and can't do? But again... The PTB doesn't need socialism to exercise that kind of authority over us because they already have direct influence over us as consumers on the market, from credit cards to mortgages to the thoughts conservatives get from Fox News (which borders on North Korean style of cultural totalitarianism). So really, who needs socialism for any of this? Commercial marketing as developed right here in America is the most advanced form of mind control ever devised.
As for the rules... well, since I have no interest in murdering or raping anyone so most of the rules that limit my personal liberty comes from local governments, the private firms that I work for... and of course my wife. ;)
eagleye13 wrote:
They feel a need for a regime change once in awhile:-)
Putin is being a bad boy.
Sadam was being a bad boy
Gahadafi was being a bad boy.
Noriega was being a bad boy.
Marcos was being a bad boy.
JFK was being a bad boy.
When you put your country first, over the PTB, you put your life in danger.
Well, yes... This is the measure of a truly powerful force with global reach. More powerful than any empire or system that has ever existed before and made possible by a debt-based financial system that has achieved global superiority. No socialist system can even hold a candle to this.
So unless, there is something really significant that I am overlooking, socialism is something the PTB has no use for. And if you're just the term "socialism" to describe state authority, I suggest you use a more accurate term such as... state authority. In other words, stop calling apples oranges.