eagleye13 Loc: Fl

straightUp - How can you be so incredibly simple???
The NWO perps use F*****m, c*******m,socialism, dictatorships, Monarchies, "democracies", and any form of totalitarian "government".
If the state owns all, and the PTB own the State; walla, they own and control all the assets. Hence; our good old "democracy" here in the USA. They replaced our Constitutional Republic.
If the PTB own a Monarch, or dictator, they control all assets.
If their puppet gets out of line, he is removed.
If a country gets out of line; the PTB fund and sick the country's enemies on that country.
That is why they fund both sides of any war, and maintain a "balance of power". It is their government towing service. Been done for many centuries.
'Forth Reich of the Rich' by Des Griffin explains this really well.
A great book, published in 1976.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Yep; the PTB's way of using s***e labor and undermining labor and industry here.
Such a deal for Walmart, Target, GE, etc.

“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion…….” TC Report #23, 1982

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dkamZg68jpk

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Why would anyone in their right mind would try and make a deal with people that chant Death to America and we will wipe Israel off the map ?????

jimahrens Loc: California

Because Liberals actually believe they are immune to destruction. They do stupid things deliberately to destroy any semblance of logic.

straightUp Loc: California

Sorry... I'm not familiar with what you mean by PTB, but it sounds like you're referring to some entity in the class of people that pretty much control the world. If that's the case then I agree with most of hat you're saying. I just take issue with the emphasis on blaming socialism and big government for every aspect of this reality. Doing so, I think obscures the other causes from view, which I'm sure the PTB, whoever they are, would be very happy about.

straightUp Loc: California

Because there is more at stake than popular sentiment. There is also a major player in the energy market and a nuclear program to be concerned about. We can't be an effective world leader with ambassadors that react like children to every hostile gesture.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

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Hemiman Loc: Communist California

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Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

What do you suggest Hemi?

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

You know as well as I do what has to be done,there really is no point in re hashing it to death.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Thanks for your thoughtful inquiry straight up. The Powers That Be (PTB) are the "controllers" behind the scenes. You are right, socialism is not the only problem, just a big open door for abuse. The PTB use many tools to get what they want. As George Carlin liked to tell us with humor - "They want it all."
He also said - "and they will get it". It may do little good; but I will not be silent.
So here to save time:

(This paper was written in August 1992.)
(Twenty years, and five p**********l e******ns later; Americans were set-up again.)
(The 2012 clarifications and updates are in brackets, RED &/or Italics)
Party politics: “The Fix” is in
(written in 1992; GHW Bush was running for a second term against Bill Clinton updated in 2012)
The majority of Americans are disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what is happening in America. The frustration is spreading, and yet, Americans are again falling for “The Fix”. It is obvious something has to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and e******n after e******n; too many v**ers fall for “The Fix”. They either don’t v**e out of disgust; or they v**e for “the lesser of two evils”. This syndrome has put America where it is today, and evil continues to prosper. Give thought to “The Fix”. The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, (“progressives”), and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives” (Old line conservatives,
constitutionalists, and covert global socialists/NeoCONS? - Bush and his “New World Order” is one example). Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), is being decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, is being replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. Few Americans understand the purpose of the g*******t agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of (“public”) education, and control of the party apparatus; they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t v**e, or they feel compelled to v**e for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. The v**ers are told, “no one else can win”, (“don’t Waste your v**e); now the s**m was to convince the v**ers “who is the most electable against Obama”. It had to be someone the Bankers knew they could control, to ensure that their agenda was carried out.). That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men. I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “adviser”. Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council are (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from; I quote -
TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world g*******ts (pro Marxist/F*****t, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )

In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”

******* BELOW ARE A FEW QUOTED WARNINGS ON BANKING *******

“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.” - President James Garfield (assassinated)
“If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given to them to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” - President Andrew Jackson (he revoked the U. S. Banking Charter in 1832. (A double misfire at point blank range of an attempted assassination saved his life.)
The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) is one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.” - Senator Louis T. McFadden, 1934 (chairman of the U. S. Banking and Currency Commission for over 10 years) (probably assassinated; there were several attempts on his life before his suspicious death )
“The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power.” - President Abraham Lincoln (assassinated)
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” - President Thomas Jefferson
“All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from a lack of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.” - President John Adams
This ignorance still exists by design. (A magnificent cover up, (made possible by both political parties, the LSM, and “public education”). Nothing has changed except the sophistication and advancement of their one world agenda; made possible with the increased corruption, ignorance, and/or cowardice of our “leaders” (politicians). The internationalist bankers and their comrades, promote and fund any government that does their bidding; be it “democracy”, socialistic, c*******tic, dictatorship, or monarchy. For example: Bush senior, just pushed for, and Congress passed extension of “most favored nation status” to C*******t China. On April 2, Congress by voice v**e, ratified a United Nations treaty, “covenant on civil and political rights”. This treaty limits free speech and imposes penalties against American citizens to be determined by an international body. The above forms of government promote the separation of a worker from his earnings through taxation and/or extortion. The constitution does not allow this and has been covertly circumvented. Understand that the banker’s (and politician’s) trusts and foundations are exempt from the income and inheritance taxes that they impose on American citizens. Also remember that the abolition of private property, a heavy progressive income tax, and abolition of inheritance, are the first three planks of the C*******t Manifesto.
There is not enough space to cover the Bankster’s (and politician’s) political subterfuge with the interconnections of the Bilderberg Group, CFR, TC, CIA, IRS , and tax exempt foundations. Nor their use of their world government apparatus; United Nations, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, NAFTA, WTO, GATA and etc. All used to establish and fund their NEW WORLD ORDER. (In the past six years, the taxpayers were held liable for TRILLIONS of “dollars” of the international banker’s bad debts. European banks were bailed out via IMF US funding. The exact numbers , and too exactly who, is hidden from Congress. Another reason the Fed must be audited)
Abraham Lincoln and many of our founding fathers warned that the only way we could be destroyed or lose our liberty would be from within. The enemy within is the international bankers, their usurious banking system, and our politicians that have sold out our nation to the Bilderberg Group’s New World Order agenda.
This treacherous banking fraud has taken the strongest treasury and economy in the world, and turned it into a $3,300,000,000,000 ($3.3 trillion) debt, with $300 billion interest “owed” (1992 figures) to these parasites. Understand that the income taxes never reach the government, and are applied against the $3.3 trillion debt. (The “debt” is now $18 trillion; along with the interest on the debt. This s**m must be exposed and eliminated)
There have been several recent bills in Congress to audit and/or reform the FED RES (House bill – H. R. 1468). If both major party candidates do not address this most important issue; don’t fall for “The Fix”. Register and v**e for a candidate that does. (There used to be other parties, but the Banksters money and owned LSM, including FOX, have been successful in all but eliminating all opposition to the Bilderberg agenda. Now; Ron Paul was the only candidate that was fighting against the totalitarian NWO powers, and the CFR War Agenda. The e******n was set up again; and the LSM was a partner in the set up. I can only hope enough Americans will wake up to the Bilderberger’s CFR perpetual war agenda, and v**e against the carnage they have created, and are promoting. Libya and Syria being the latest)
Again; this paper was written in 1992with the updates in brackets).... Note: Ross Perot is a fraud. As the supposed “conservative, libertarian”, he never addressed the CFR/TC banking issue. He then bailed out of the e******n, and left the country entrenched in the “lesser of two evils” offered by both parties; and hence - “The Fix” is in again. ( 1992 - It was Bilderberger Bush Sr. or Bilderberger Bill Clinton. Anybody notice how palsy the two are now?)
Incumbent politicians selling out our country to the International Bankster’s New World Order agenda; must either denounce the Bilderberger’s internationalist policies, or be v**ed out of office.
(F*****m & C*******m have never ever ended well for any country. Why would it end well in the USA?) THE END
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straightUp Loc: California

I agree with you to some extent. The root cause being an unsustainable and unfair international banking system. I think we see differences though when you start to elaborate on what you are calling their agenda. We barely know anything about the benefactors of this system which I'm sure is by design. They don't publish their agenda and they have no use for public opinion. So, any such description of their agenda going v***l on the internet are more likely to be fabrications designed by other people to leverage our discontent. My position is to refocus on what we know about the cause and to try and restrain our enthusiasm for jumping to conclusions.

The letter says... "...the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”.

How do we know that? I hear it all the time. Millions of times, but always from conspiracy theorists. I never actually see any evidence coming from the "PTB" that they actually want to create a global socialist NWO.

I would think the recent struggles in Russia between socialists such as Putin and the oligarchs which are now all in jail or in exile would make it pretty clear that socialism is the antithesis to everything the internationalist bankers stand for. Putin is being called the enemy of the NWO BECAUSE of his socialist approach.

Since the Federal Reserve was established in 1913 there has not been one example of how the central bank or it's investors have EVER promoted any form of socialism. They have in fact been consistent opponents of public control, which is the very basis of socialism. Not only that but from what I know of things like fractional reserve banking and deals like the US-Saudi Arabian Joint Commission On Economic Cooperation, socialism would be the worst thing they could ever wish for. It just doesn't make sense.

Why would the people that already own the world through a debt system want to convert to a socialist system?

straightUp Loc: California

I think Bob has a valid question... I'd like to hear your answer. Or I could just assume you are one of those emotional, brainless morons that thinks bombing them is a valid option, or even a feasibility.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Why would the people that already own the world through a debt system want to convert to a socialist system?"
That is how they got there.
Because under C*******m and socialism, the state owns it all. They intend to own the state, or who runs the state. They feel a need for a regime change once in awhile:-)
Putin is being a bad boy.
Sadam was being a bad boy
Gahadafi was being a bad boy.
Noriega was being a bad boy.
Marcos was being a bad boy.
JFK was being a bad boy.

When you put your country first, over the PTB, you put your life in danger.