more ignorance of the Bible (Page 24): Homosexuality seems to be natural for those who practice it. Are you familiar with the lower males in the wolf hierarchy of a pack? They don't...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

I've said I will not judge a person based solely on his sexual orientation, but to claim that homosexuality is natural for the species is an unreal justification.

I have also said unrestrained sexual activity of any kind is damaging to social health. Look my posts up. I don't like to repeat myself.

PaulPisces should not have blamed God, the bible or religion. I put a lot of the blame for increased homosexual behavior on the activities of the feminists.

Homosexuality seems to be natural for those who practice it. Are you familiar with the lower males in the wolf hierarchy of a pack? They don't mate or pass on their genes but the protect the young of the alpha male through altruistic behaviors.

Just a thought.

And so you agree with me that we have a sexual problem in the world today which transcends the homosexual movement?

bahmer

jelun wrote:

The question is not about someone walking into your church, for a church to be political in that way should lose them their tax exempt status as should the lobbying against the rights of homosexuals, don't you think?

The church is composed of individuals and they should be allowed to lobby and whether they do it under the banner of the church or independently should not matter one iota. As long as free speech is guaranteed in the constitution it should be free speech for all. You cannot say group "A" has free speech but group "B: because they belong to an organization are prohibited from speaking on certain topics or they will lose whatever status they have with the federal government. The tax exempt status is because they are a charitable organization and they do good in the community not on what message they deliver.

jelun

bahmer wrote:

The church is composed of individuals and they sho... (show quote)

Oh FCS, the members of a church don't have tax free status.
The institution does, the institution is lobbying. The members may do what they want and maintain their benefits. The church funding those actions should lose their status.
Since when does free speech mean you don't pay taxes?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

jelun wrote:

Oh FCS, the members of a church don't have tax free status.
The institution does, the institution is lobbying. The members may do what they want and maintain their benefits. The church funding those actions should lose their status.
Since when does free speech mean you don't pay taxes?

It apparently does or should for Christians, Jelun.

Oliver Loc: Dayton, OH

jelun wrote:

The question is not about someone walking into your church, for a church to be political in that way should lose them their tax exempt status as should the lobbying against the rights of homosexuals, don't you think?

The tax exempt status is used by the government to effectively prevent freedom of speech on spiritual matters relative to candidates, lifestyles, etc. and etc.. The problem with many institutional churches is that their precious tax exempt status means more to them than God's word.

I am like Esther (Esther 4:16) who said, "...I will go unto the king which is not according to the law; and if I perish, I perish." Likewise, I will speak my mind which may be against the law and if I lose my tax exempt status, so be it.

The apostles were forbidden by the Jerusalem council to speak of the name of Jesus but their reply was: "Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, you be the judge; for we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard." Acts 4:19

The tax exempt status means very little to me as it should to every Christian organization; but as already stated, to many (maybe most) their precious tax exempt status means more to them than God's word.

Oliver Loc: Dayton, OH

jelun wrote:

You sounded sensible for a bit, why put those words forward as being spoken by God?

Malachi 3:6 was spoken by God through His prophet and the other by the wisest man who ever lived, King Solomon.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

jelun wrote:

The question is not about someone walking into your church, for a church to be political in that way should lose them their tax exempt status as should the lobbying against the rights of homosexuals, don't you think?

In a choice between tax exempt status and absolute truth, I choose absolute truth.

Artemis

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

I've said I will not judge a person based solely on his sexual orientation, but to claim that homosexuality is natural for the species is an unreal justification.

I have also said unrestrained sexual activity of any kind is damaging to social health. Look my posts up. I don't like to repeat myself.

PaulPisces should not have blamed God, the bible or religion. I put a lot of the blame for increased homosexual behavior on the activities of the feminists.

The feminists :shock: :?: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: please... go on this should be good :XD:

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Artemis wrote:

The feminists :shock: :?: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: please... go on this should be good :XD:

I agree Artemis. Carol has posited some pretty kooky causal relationships in her posts. I'm anxious to know how women getting the power they deserve has made me gay!

Artemis

Oliver wrote:

Malachi 3:6 "I am the Lord, I change not..."
Ecclesiastes 1:9 "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

Sorry, but God never changes and human nature never changes. It has been this way ever since Adam and Eve listened to Satan and not to God. And anyone, including the Pope, who says differently is a false prophet.

God may never change but our perception does. Human nature does change and ever grow, even though it may be slow,it has and it will continue against the efforts of people who are constantly trying to drag us back into the dark ages.

Nothing changes under the sun is an extremely negative and poisoning viewpoint and one you have completely digested, very sad really, I feel sorry for you.

bggamers Loc: georgia

At this time there isn't suppose to be any mingling of church and state. But apparently it's ok for the goverment to put it's foot in the very fabric of the churches belief system. God say's that men with men or women with women is abbhorent and a sin against god.It also states any church that excepts beliefs or practices against church belief is going against god and any body following this church and leaders will all go to hell. As far as I know God has not come back and said " Hey it's ok " I dont go to churchs anymore and have never been baptised BUT I talk to God all the time and hope he unstands my reasons of miss trust .

bggamers Loc: georgia

Thisn't about wolves this is about allowing churches to practice the word of God. which the goverment is forcing to allow something that is against the very fabric of church belief and churches giving in to keep tax free status. If there is no mingling of church and state where do they get the right to stick their nose in to church belief because they don't(they don't think it's fair).

Artemis

bggamers wrote:

Thisn't about wolves this is about allowing churches to practice the word of God. which the goverment is forcing to allow something that is against the very fabric of church belief and churches giving in to keep tax free status. If there is no mingling of church and state where do they get the right to stick their nose in to church belief because they don't(they don't think it's fair).

Where has the government doing anything to any church in the way of dictating how they practice?

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Artemis wrote:

Where has the government doing anything to any church in the way of dictating how they practice?

Your kidding right? Hobby lobby?

Here is a link to usa restrictions and the world stage compared. If you really wanted to know,you could have done a simple search and found hundreds of examples since 2008 and accelerated since Obama.

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/09/20/rising-tide-of-restrictions-on-religion-findings/

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Artemis wrote:

God may never change but our perception does. Human nature does change and ever grow, even though it may be slow,it has and it will continue against the efforts of people who are constantly trying to drag us back into the dark ages.

Nothing changes under the sun is an extremely negative and poisoning viewpoint and one you have completely digested, very sad really, I feel sorry for you.

Not negative if you understood what the almighty God Is trying to say.