more ignorance of the Bible
Mar 24, 2015 00:29:11 #
Haughty Lib wrote:
That's the thing. If THEIR church wants to refuse... (show quote)
Oh? They are forcing Christian bakers to provide Wedding cakes for gay marriages, and Christian Photographers to photograph gay weddings, and they force Christians who own certain venues to host gay weddings, so you're wrong! Additionally they are forcing states to recognize gay marriages when most people in the state oppose it.
And hypocrisy of hypocrisies, they sued California when it already had Domestic partnerships and Massachusetts when they had civil unions. So like I said earlier, it's not about "equal rights", it's about gay privilege, and more about trashing Christians by demonizing them.
Mar 24, 2015 00:30:09 #
Haughty Lib wrote:
That's the thing. If THEIR church wants to refuse... (show quote)
Oh? They are forcing Christian bakers to provide Wedding cakes for gay marriages, and Christian Photographers to photograph gay weddings, and they force Christians who own certain venues to host gay weddings, so you're wrong! Additionally they are forcing states to recognize gay marriages when most people in the state oppose it.
And hypocrisy of hypocrisies, they sued California when it already had Domestic partnerships and Massachusetts when they had civil unions. So like I said earlier, it's not about "equal rights", it's about gay privilege, and more about trashing Christians by demonizing them.
Mar 24, 2015 01:04:44 #
Zemirah wrote:
A general reply to the topic: More Ignorance Of The Bible
Whenever a nation that has been blessed by God turns their back on Him, this condition is foretold:
"The days are coming," declares the Sovereign LORD, "when I will send a famine through the land-- not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD." Amos 8:11
Whenever a nation that has been blessed by God turns their back on Him, this condition is foretold:
"The days are coming," declares the Sovereign LORD, "when I will send a famine through the land-- not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD." Amos 8:11
Tell me. Is God's judgment ongoing against nations or now suspended until the Final Judgment?
Check out topic: Dr. Vernon Coleman: Our Freedom Has Gone – Probably Forever
Mar 24, 2015 06:06:01 #
God, of Whom the Bible says, He cannot lie, gave Israel to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and their descendents as an eternal possession.
"Genesis 15:12-21, 17:7: ' Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him.
God said to Abram, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years.
"But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out with many possessions.
"As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age.
"Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."
And it came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces.
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates: the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite.'"
"'And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.'"
17. When the sun had gone down and it was dark, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces."
This suggest that God appeared in his glory to make covenant with Abram, for when a covenant was made between two parties during this period, both of them would walk between the cut pieces of the sacrificed animals.
This was an acted oath, as if the people were saying, "may I be cut to pieces like these animals if I do not fulfill my part of the covenant" (1964: 112).
But here, God is unilaterally the one entering into covenant with Abram, when it comes to God there is no one who is an equal partner who can walk between the pieces with him. Instead a smoking brazier with a blazing touch appeared and passed between the pieces. This represented God entering into a covenant with the helpless Abram, whom God had placed in a trance.
On the day of the covenant God made promises with Abram, the details given in vs. 18-19 summarized as follows:
1. A restatement of God's commitment to give the land of the Canaanites to Abraham's descendants through His and Sarah's son, Isaac; the promise was renewed to Jacob.
2. A statement about boundary expansion
3. A statement about the current occupants of the land
This verse shows the generosity of God to Abram by condescending to his level and entered into covenant with him. According to H. L. Ellison and D. F. Payne noted that, "this covenant was to prove, a reassurance and an inspiration to Israelites and Jews.
The how and when of the promise however are entirely within God's control as it is at once demonstrated in vs. 13-16".
In this case Abram is obligated to do nothing to fulfill the covenant. God, alone has covenanted
to give Israel, as a permanent possession to Abraham, i.e, "in an everlasting covenant."
Those who insist that the covenant no longer exists because of Israel's past sins, do not respect
God's Word, or His Honor, for it is He who has vowed, unconditionally, Israel will always own the land.
In Exodus, Moses,while describing the forming of the new Sinaitic covenant still emphasizes the
importance of the patriarchal covenant. With the breaking of the Sinaitic Covenant, the patriarchal
covenant was still in force; the Sinaitic covenant did not replace the patriarchal covenant,
but coexisted with it.
Israel is the only nation ever created by Almighty God.
There are three essentials for nationhood: a people, a government and a homeland.
A People - "Genesis 12:2; 17:7: (God spoke to Abraham) 'And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;'"
"'And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.'"
A Government: God gave Israel a constitution as a nation and with it a government. This was the covenant with Israel through Moses found in Exodus 19 - Leviticus 27, plus Deuteronomy). God foretold punishment for disobedience, with their resulting diaspora and their subsequent return to their land.
A Homeland: "Genesis 17:8 'And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.'"
This is the Biblical and historical basis for the right to the land which the Jewish people claim.
This covenant was given by God to guarantee the continuous existence of Abraham's descendants (through Isaac and Jacob) to the present day.This covenant was confirmed to Isaac (Gen. 17:19, 21) and to Jacob (Gen 25:23; 35:9-15).
God's faithfulness to his promises of rewards for obedience or punishment for disobedience and to protect and guarantee the existence of the Jews as a people is the only explanation for their miraculous continued existence today.
I say this because at the time God "chose" the Jewish people,through whom to bring the blessed Messiah, "the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world," Satan also chose the Jewish people.
Their continued existence, in spite of hellish repeated attempts to either exterminate or assimilate them into other cultures, is the security of the Christian.
If God could not be trusted to fulfill His ancient unconditional promise of "Eretz Israel," the land of Israel, to the Jewish people, then our own assurance, as Christians, of God's promise of eternal salvation, through faith in Jesus Christ, would have no guarantee either.
We need no greater proof than the return of the land of Israelto the Jewish people, after 1,900 years (70 A.D. to 1948 A.D.).
God recorded the Jewish people's exclusive ownership of the city of Jerusalem in Nehemiah 2:19-20 (445-430 BC):
"'But when Sanballat the Horonite, Tobiah the Ammonite official and Geshem the Arab heard about it, they mocked and ridiculed us. "What is this you are doing?'" they asked. "'Are you rebelling against the king?'"
"'I answered them by saying, "'The God of heaven will give us success. We, his servants will start rebuilding, but as for you, you have no share in Jerusalem or any claim or historic right to it.'"
These words from Holy Scripture, telling God's view of the ownership of Jerusalem, are as true today as in the days in which they were written 2,500 years ago.
After modern Jewish reconstruction began in Jerusalem in the middle of the nineteenth century, the Arabs attached importance to living in Jerusalem for the first time in history. Palestine has never existed as an independent country under Arab or any other Muslim administration.
Although, the Jews represented a population majority, from 1920 onward, successive Arab attacks encouraged as well as permitted by the ruling British, gradually squeezed the majority of the Jews out of the Old City of Jerusalem and into the New.
When immediately attacked by the surrounding Arab nations, after declaring their independence in 1948, the final remnant, a handful of defenders, surrendered to the Jordanians when their ammunition ran out.
The city was then divided for 19 years, until Israel recaptured it in their war of defense against the sneak Arab attack in 1967. The Arabs' slight and superficial relationship to the city has only been expanded into a claim of an uncompromising, even exclusive, ownership of East Jerusalem, in the last century. ("Holy City," Encounter, February 1968).
Palestine has no historical significance to Islam, nor is Jerusalem even mentioned in the Qur'an. During the 19 years, Jordan controlled East Jerusalem, they tried to obliterate the Jewish presence and the signs of Jewish identity. All the ancient synagogues were destroyed. In the ruins of the Hurvah, the most famous of these, a small stable for goats or donkeys was erected.
The ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, overlooking the Old City, was torn up; some of its tombstones were used for paving and others for lavatory seats in Jordanian army camps ("The Undivided City," Israel Magazine, no.2 Tel Aviv, April 1968)
On Friday, 21 July, 2000, a UK BBC press release reported: "'Ehud Barak 'accepts' US brokered Jerusalem plan.'" "Mustafa Barghoulthi of the Palestinian Research and Policy Unit told the BBC that the Palestinians have already made an enormous concession by accepting that their future state would be less than 22% of what he described as 'historic Palestine.'"
"'As the Middle East peace talks continued outside Washington, the Israelis gave details for the first time of the painful concessions they were prepared to make to resolve the deadlock over the future status of Jerusalem.'"
"'Israeli cabinet minister Michael Melchior said Prime Minister Ehud Barak had accepted a US proposal to give the Palestinians administrative control over parts of East Jerusalem with, as he put it,some signs of sovereignty. A CNN report in July, 2000, told how 'Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat joined President Bill Clinton at Camp David to try to make history. Their aim was to create two homelands from one relatively small slab of turf wedged between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.
Negotiators were haggling over borders for a proposed Palestinian state, to be carved out of land occupied by Israel in the 1967 war, which includes the eastern half of Jerusalem.'"
The word Palestine is a Latinized version of Philistine, coined by the Roman government in 132/135A.D. after the collapse of the Bar Kocha revolt. In Hebrew, Philistine means intruder, invader.
Substituting this name for the God given name of the land of Israel was an attempt to revise history and wipe out the name Israel and any Jewish claim to the land. The term Palestinia which is the Latin version of Philistea, the land of the Philistines (Palestinians) means the land of the intruders or invaders.
CNN (July 17, 2000) reported that "'the dispute over the city (Jerusalem) could be the show-stopper, the insoluble riddle that would bring the whole process crashing down. Barak had promised his people that 'Yerushalayim' will remain the "eternal and undivided" capital of Israel; Arafat then told Clinton that he feared assassination if he turned his back on the sacred city which the Arabs call Al-Quds; he demanded that the capital of the Palestinian state be located there, too.'"
This willingness to split the ancient city reminded me of the true mother who refused to divide her child, in 1st Kings 3:24-26 in the Holy Bible, when the false mother before King Solomon agreed to split the child in two, making it obvious to him that the real mother was she who refused to divide the child.
Previous Israeli leader, Shimon Peres however, was involved in unethical and secret intrigue to bring about international control. The intelligence newsletter "Inside Israel, reported that then Foreign Minister Shimon Peres sent a letter to Yasser Arafat in October of 1993, 'committing Israel to respect PLO governing institutions in Jerusalem.'" "Peres initially denied the letter's existence, then admitted that the letter had been sent, a revelation from Mark Halter,a close friend of Peres revealed." "'In May of 1994, he had delivered a letter from Peres to the Pope outlining the Foreign Minister's plans for Jerusalem in which Peres offered to hand over sovereignty of Jerusalem's Old City to the Vatican.'"
Interestingly, the Hebrew meaning of Israeli politician Peres' name is "divide," for it appears in Daniel 3:28: "'Peres; Thy kingdom is divided,'" Peres's secret plan would have had both an Israeli and a Palestinian mayor, both of whom would have been under the authority of the Vatican in Rome.
John Paul II interviewed in 1994 in Parade magazine, said "'We trust that, with the approach of the year 2000 Jerusalem will become the city of peace for the entire world and that all the people will be able to meet there, in particular the believers in the religions that find their birthright in the faith of Abraham'"
(This was spiritual blindness, for it included the Muslims whose holy book, the Qur'an does not recognized any other religion's right to exist in peace, but insists on maintaining Jihad until only Islam is supreme.).
"Jordan's King Hussein, , who is a direct descendent of Muhammad, to bolster his claim to Jordanian control over Jerusalem's holy sites, declared that 'only God has the right to decide who will own the Temple Mount and Jerusalem.'" "A Jerusalem Post commentator, on October 1, 1994, noted 'He is, of course, correct. But the question then becomes, whose God? For Hussein's Allah, the god of the Qur'an, does not mention Jerusalem even once in the Qur'an written by Muhammad, while the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh [Old Testament] and the B'rit Hadassah [New Testament] together refer to the city over 800 times.'"
Zechariah 1:17 "Again, proclaim, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "My cities will again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and again choose Jerusalem."'
Zechariah 2:3-5,8-13: "And behold, the angel who was speaking with me was going out, and another angel was coming out to meet him, and said to him, 'Run, speak to that young man, saying, Jerusalem will be inhabited without walls, because of the multitude of men and cattle within it.'" 'For I,' declares the LORD, 'will be a wall of fire around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.'"
For thus says the LORD of hosts, "After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.
"For behold, I will wave My hand over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.
"Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and I will dwell in your midst," declares the LORD.
"And many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.
"And the LORD will possess Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem.
"Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD; for He is aroused from His holy habitation."
"The God of Israel has already exercised His right to decide. And He has given Jerusalem to the Jews as their inheritance in perpetuity...
a fact which challenges the insidious 'interfaith' theology falsely equating the God of the Christians and Jews with the Allah of Islam."
The entire historical, Biblical Old City of Jerusalem of Jesus' day, which is the original walled city of King David's day is contained within the boundaries of what is now being called "Arab East Jerusalem." This is the Hallowed land which the Jews longed for as they recited "Next Year in Jerusalem on Passover each year for 1,900 years.
It was Adolf Hitler, in Mein Kamp who said that the public is much more likely to believe a lie if it is a really big lie. The entire media keeps mimicking the phrase "Arab East Jerusalem," as though this somehow makes it true, although,according to all documented historical fact, as detailed in Battleground: Fact & Fantasy In Palestine by Samuel Katz, at no time in history has there ever been a Palestinian government, either in Jerusalem or within the whole of Israel.
So, is the very heart of Israel now to belong to the Arabs because the entire media has bought into it? - and this, without checking into any historical truth or the reality of the documentation of legitimate ancient boundaries???
All of West Jerusalem, with which the Jewish people are now supposed to be perfectly content, according to all Arab governments, oil greedy western administrations including the U.S., and the fact starved, modern media, is a city of modern structures, built within the last century or so, and completely devoid of the Jewish people's ancient and sacred historical sites and monuments.
This false "peace process" - which has proven to be no peace at all for Israel, will not stand for long, because God has said it won't. It's His land and He has given it to Abraham's seed (Genesis 12:7), in an everlasting covenant... which has not yet been completely fulfilled,but will be at some point in the future, because God has said so. - irregardless of anything our present or previous Presidents have said, or that future similiarly misguided leaders of our country might attempt to force upon Israel at any time.
Because the government of this country represents us, and because they're sticking their finger in God's eye, the United States, as a nation, will be judged!
It is believed that Iran and North Korea will soon both have sufficient nuclear warheaded missiles to attack us, thanks to our own technology shared with them by China, which, in exchange for millions of dollars traced to them, which were donated in campaign contributions to his 1992 election and 1996 re-election, Clinton's administration mysteriously allowed China to obtain.
Will God use these maverick nations to punish us, as a nation who has turned our back on God's Word and His revealed will for Israel? Psalm 121:4:"'Behold, He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.'"
"The uniqueness of Israel and it's declared capital, Jerusalem, is attested to today, by the desire of almost all of the world's nations for international control over Jerusalem." In A Cup of Trembling: Jerusalem and Bible Prophecy, by Dave Hunt:
"Secular governments don't believe what the Bible says about Jerusalem, so why do they consider this small, isolated Middle East city to be so special? There is no international agreement giving other nations any control over Jerusalem. Yet it is treated as though it belongs not to Israel but to the rest of the world."
"It is unreasonable and unprecedented. The nations of the world have agreed among themselves that Jerusalem cannot be the capital of Israel, even though Israel so designated it and located its Knesset (parliament) there in 1980. For a comparison, consider the case of East Germany. When that defeated country, in defiance of the Potsdam agreement, designated East Berlin as its capital, the nations of the world acquiesced immediately without a murmur of protest."
"Not so with Jerusalem. Why would a world that doesn't believe the Bible's promises concerning Jerusalem treat this city as though what the Bible said were true? That Jerusalem holds the key to world peace is too obvious to argue. The fact that Jerusalem, of all the world's cities, should play such a role makes no sense at all unless one accepts what the God of the Bible has said about it."
The Jewish people's continued existence, after being scattered all over the world these last 1,900 years, exposed to practically every genetic strain that exists, yet remaining still a people who have retained their ethnic, social and religious similarities is a fact which no one can fail to identify as a miracle.
Their amazing resiliency is overshadowed by another miracle: the 100% accuracy of the Biblical prophets, God's great prophets of Israel, in their prophecies made thousands of years ago, foretelling the survival of the Jews and their return to Eretz Israel. The existence of Jewish people, scattered in most countries of the earth but maintaining their distinctive nationality, can be attributed only to the supernatural power and special purpose of God.
"America is an excellent example of what one could expect when Irishmen, Italians, Englishmen, Swedes, Poles, Frenchmen and all the other nationalities of the earth live freely side by side," according to Tim LaHaye in The Beginning of the End. "Slowly but surely there is a blending of nationalities, cultural traits and traditions. Many countries, after three or four hundred years, have such a blending until it becomes difficult to distinguish one from the other. The Jews provide the one international exception."
No one has ever met a Hittite or a Philistine or an Amalekite because these peoples are all extinct. If there were no distinct Jews to be regathered to the land of Israel, God and His Word would be subject to ridicule because God's prophets made so many predictions about the future of the Jews in Israel as God's plan.
God has said: "'For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act; For how can My name be profaned? And My glory I will not give to another.'" Isaiah 48:11
Throughout the history of the human race, the title deed to the land of Israel will remain the exclusive property of the Jewish people. To believe otherwise is to deny the very Word of God:
Jeremiah 31:35-37: "Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day, And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
'If this fixed order departs From before Me,' declares the LORD,'Then the offspring of Israel also shall cease From being a nation before Me forever.'"
"Thus says the LORD, 'If the heavens above can be measured, And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done,' declares the LORD."
"Genesis 15:12-21, 17:7: ' Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him.
God said to Abram, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years.
"But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out with many possessions.
"As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age.
"Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."
And it came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces.
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates: the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite.'"
"'And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.'"
17. When the sun had gone down and it was dark, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces."
This suggest that God appeared in his glory to make covenant with Abram, for when a covenant was made between two parties during this period, both of them would walk between the cut pieces of the sacrificed animals.
This was an acted oath, as if the people were saying, "may I be cut to pieces like these animals if I do not fulfill my part of the covenant" (1964: 112).
But here, God is unilaterally the one entering into covenant with Abram, when it comes to God there is no one who is an equal partner who can walk between the pieces with him. Instead a smoking brazier with a blazing touch appeared and passed between the pieces. This represented God entering into a covenant with the helpless Abram, whom God had placed in a trance.
On the day of the covenant God made promises with Abram, the details given in vs. 18-19 summarized as follows:
1. A restatement of God's commitment to give the land of the Canaanites to Abraham's descendants through His and Sarah's son, Isaac; the promise was renewed to Jacob.
2. A statement about boundary expansion
3. A statement about the current occupants of the land
This verse shows the generosity of God to Abram by condescending to his level and entered into covenant with him. According to H. L. Ellison and D. F. Payne noted that, "this covenant was to prove, a reassurance and an inspiration to Israelites and Jews.
The how and when of the promise however are entirely within God's control as it is at once demonstrated in vs. 13-16".
In this case Abram is obligated to do nothing to fulfill the covenant. God, alone has covenanted
to give Israel, as a permanent possession to Abraham, i.e, "in an everlasting covenant."
Those who insist that the covenant no longer exists because of Israel's past sins, do not respect
God's Word, or His Honor, for it is He who has vowed, unconditionally, Israel will always own the land.
In Exodus, Moses,while describing the forming of the new Sinaitic covenant still emphasizes the
importance of the patriarchal covenant. With the breaking of the Sinaitic Covenant, the patriarchal
covenant was still in force; the Sinaitic covenant did not replace the patriarchal covenant,
but coexisted with it.
Israel is the only nation ever created by Almighty God.
There are three essentials for nationhood: a people, a government and a homeland.
A People - "Genesis 12:2; 17:7: (God spoke to Abraham) 'And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;'"
"'And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.'"
A Government: God gave Israel a constitution as a nation and with it a government. This was the covenant with Israel through Moses found in Exodus 19 - Leviticus 27, plus Deuteronomy). God foretold punishment for disobedience, with their resulting diaspora and their subsequent return to their land.
A Homeland: "Genesis 17:8 'And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.'"
This is the Biblical and historical basis for the right to the land which the Jewish people claim.
This covenant was given by God to guarantee the continuous existence of Abraham's descendants (through Isaac and Jacob) to the present day.This covenant was confirmed to Isaac (Gen. 17:19, 21) and to Jacob (Gen 25:23; 35:9-15).
God's faithfulness to his promises of rewards for obedience or punishment for disobedience and to protect and guarantee the existence of the Jews as a people is the only explanation for their miraculous continued existence today.
I say this because at the time God "chose" the Jewish people,through whom to bring the blessed Messiah, "the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world," Satan also chose the Jewish people.
Their continued existence, in spite of hellish repeated attempts to either exterminate or assimilate them into other cultures, is the security of the Christian.
If God could not be trusted to fulfill His ancient unconditional promise of "Eretz Israel," the land of Israel, to the Jewish people, then our own assurance, as Christians, of God's promise of eternal salvation, through faith in Jesus Christ, would have no guarantee either.
We need no greater proof than the return of the land of Israelto the Jewish people, after 1,900 years (70 A.D. to 1948 A.D.).
God recorded the Jewish people's exclusive ownership of the city of Jerusalem in Nehemiah 2:19-20 (445-430 BC):
"'But when Sanballat the Horonite, Tobiah the Ammonite official and Geshem the Arab heard about it, they mocked and ridiculed us. "What is this you are doing?'" they asked. "'Are you rebelling against the king?'"
"'I answered them by saying, "'The God of heaven will give us success. We, his servants will start rebuilding, but as for you, you have no share in Jerusalem or any claim or historic right to it.'"
These words from Holy Scripture, telling God's view of the ownership of Jerusalem, are as true today as in the days in which they were written 2,500 years ago.
After modern Jewish reconstruction began in Jerusalem in the middle of the nineteenth century, the Arabs attached importance to living in Jerusalem for the first time in history. Palestine has never existed as an independent country under Arab or any other Muslim administration.
Although, the Jews represented a population majority, from 1920 onward, successive Arab attacks encouraged as well as permitted by the ruling British, gradually squeezed the majority of the Jews out of the Old City of Jerusalem and into the New.
When immediately attacked by the surrounding Arab nations, after declaring their independence in 1948, the final remnant, a handful of defenders, surrendered to the Jordanians when their ammunition ran out.
The city was then divided for 19 years, until Israel recaptured it in their war of defense against the sneak Arab attack in 1967. The Arabs' slight and superficial relationship to the city has only been expanded into a claim of an uncompromising, even exclusive, ownership of East Jerusalem, in the last century. ("Holy City," Encounter, February 1968).
Palestine has no historical significance to Islam, nor is Jerusalem even mentioned in the Qur'an. During the 19 years, Jordan controlled East Jerusalem, they tried to obliterate the Jewish presence and the signs of Jewish identity. All the ancient synagogues were destroyed. In the ruins of the Hurvah, the most famous of these, a small stable for goats or donkeys was erected.
The ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, overlooking the Old City, was torn up; some of its tombstones were used for paving and others for lavatory seats in Jordanian army camps ("The Undivided City," Israel Magazine, no.2 Tel Aviv, April 1968)
On Friday, 21 July, 2000, a UK BBC press release reported: "'Ehud Barak 'accepts' US brokered Jerusalem plan.'" "Mustafa Barghoulthi of the Palestinian Research and Policy Unit told the BBC that the Palestinians have already made an enormous concession by accepting that their future state would be less than 22% of what he described as 'historic Palestine.'"
"'As the Middle East peace talks continued outside Washington, the Israelis gave details for the first time of the painful concessions they were prepared to make to resolve the deadlock over the future status of Jerusalem.'"
"'Israeli cabinet minister Michael Melchior said Prime Minister Ehud Barak had accepted a US proposal to give the Palestinians administrative control over parts of East Jerusalem with, as he put it,some signs of sovereignty. A CNN report in July, 2000, told how 'Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat joined President Bill Clinton at Camp David to try to make history. Their aim was to create two homelands from one relatively small slab of turf wedged between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.
Negotiators were haggling over borders for a proposed Palestinian state, to be carved out of land occupied by Israel in the 1967 war, which includes the eastern half of Jerusalem.'"
The word Palestine is a Latinized version of Philistine, coined by the Roman government in 132/135A.D. after the collapse of the Bar Kocha revolt. In Hebrew, Philistine means intruder, invader.
Substituting this name for the God given name of the land of Israel was an attempt to revise history and wipe out the name Israel and any Jewish claim to the land. The term Palestinia which is the Latin version of Philistea, the land of the Philistines (Palestinians) means the land of the intruders or invaders.
CNN (July 17, 2000) reported that "'the dispute over the city (Jerusalem) could be the show-stopper, the insoluble riddle that would bring the whole process crashing down. Barak had promised his people that 'Yerushalayim' will remain the "eternal and undivided" capital of Israel; Arafat then told Clinton that he feared assassination if he turned his back on the sacred city which the Arabs call Al-Quds; he demanded that the capital of the Palestinian state be located there, too.'"
This willingness to split the ancient city reminded me of the true mother who refused to divide her child, in 1st Kings 3:24-26 in the Holy Bible, when the false mother before King Solomon agreed to split the child in two, making it obvious to him that the real mother was she who refused to divide the child.
Previous Israeli leader, Shimon Peres however, was involved in unethical and secret intrigue to bring about international control. The intelligence newsletter "Inside Israel, reported that then Foreign Minister Shimon Peres sent a letter to Yasser Arafat in October of 1993, 'committing Israel to respect PLO governing institutions in Jerusalem.'" "Peres initially denied the letter's existence, then admitted that the letter had been sent, a revelation from Mark Halter,a close friend of Peres revealed." "'In May of 1994, he had delivered a letter from Peres to the Pope outlining the Foreign Minister's plans for Jerusalem in which Peres offered to hand over sovereignty of Jerusalem's Old City to the Vatican.'"
Interestingly, the Hebrew meaning of Israeli politician Peres' name is "divide," for it appears in Daniel 3:28: "'Peres; Thy kingdom is divided,'" Peres's secret plan would have had both an Israeli and a Palestinian mayor, both of whom would have been under the authority of the Vatican in Rome.
John Paul II interviewed in 1994 in Parade magazine, said "'We trust that, with the approach of the year 2000 Jerusalem will become the city of peace for the entire world and that all the people will be able to meet there, in particular the believers in the religions that find their birthright in the faith of Abraham'"
(This was spiritual blindness, for it included the Muslims whose holy book, the Qur'an does not recognized any other religion's right to exist in peace, but insists on maintaining Jihad until only Islam is supreme.).
"Jordan's King Hussein, , who is a direct descendent of Muhammad, to bolster his claim to Jordanian control over Jerusalem's holy sites, declared that 'only God has the right to decide who will own the Temple Mount and Jerusalem.'" "A Jerusalem Post commentator, on October 1, 1994, noted 'He is, of course, correct. But the question then becomes, whose God? For Hussein's Allah, the god of the Qur'an, does not mention Jerusalem even once in the Qur'an written by Muhammad, while the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh [Old Testament] and the B'rit Hadassah [New Testament] together refer to the city over 800 times.'"
Zechariah 1:17 "Again, proclaim, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "My cities will again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and again choose Jerusalem."'
Zechariah 2:3-5,8-13: "And behold, the angel who was speaking with me was going out, and another angel was coming out to meet him, and said to him, 'Run, speak to that young man, saying, Jerusalem will be inhabited without walls, because of the multitude of men and cattle within it.'" 'For I,' declares the LORD, 'will be a wall of fire around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.'"
For thus says the LORD of hosts, "After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.
"For behold, I will wave My hand over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.
"Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and I will dwell in your midst," declares the LORD.
"And many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.
"And the LORD will possess Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem.
"Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD; for He is aroused from His holy habitation."
"The God of Israel has already exercised His right to decide. And He has given Jerusalem to the Jews as their inheritance in perpetuity...
a fact which challenges the insidious 'interfaith' theology falsely equating the God of the Christians and Jews with the Allah of Islam."
The entire historical, Biblical Old City of Jerusalem of Jesus' day, which is the original walled city of King David's day is contained within the boundaries of what is now being called "Arab East Jerusalem." This is the Hallowed land which the Jews longed for as they recited "Next Year in Jerusalem on Passover each year for 1,900 years.
It was Adolf Hitler, in Mein Kamp who said that the public is much more likely to believe a lie if it is a really big lie. The entire media keeps mimicking the phrase "Arab East Jerusalem," as though this somehow makes it true, although,according to all documented historical fact, as detailed in Battleground: Fact & Fantasy In Palestine by Samuel Katz, at no time in history has there ever been a Palestinian government, either in Jerusalem or within the whole of Israel.
So, is the very heart of Israel now to belong to the Arabs because the entire media has bought into it? - and this, without checking into any historical truth or the reality of the documentation of legitimate ancient boundaries???
All of West Jerusalem, with which the Jewish people are now supposed to be perfectly content, according to all Arab governments, oil greedy western administrations including the U.S., and the fact starved, modern media, is a city of modern structures, built within the last century or so, and completely devoid of the Jewish people's ancient and sacred historical sites and monuments.
This false "peace process" - which has proven to be no peace at all for Israel, will not stand for long, because God has said it won't. It's His land and He has given it to Abraham's seed (Genesis 12:7), in an everlasting covenant... which has not yet been completely fulfilled,but will be at some point in the future, because God has said so. - irregardless of anything our present or previous Presidents have said, or that future similiarly misguided leaders of our country might attempt to force upon Israel at any time.
Because the government of this country represents us, and because they're sticking their finger in God's eye, the United States, as a nation, will be judged!
It is believed that Iran and North Korea will soon both have sufficient nuclear warheaded missiles to attack us, thanks to our own technology shared with them by China, which, in exchange for millions of dollars traced to them, which were donated in campaign contributions to his 1992 election and 1996 re-election, Clinton's administration mysteriously allowed China to obtain.
Will God use these maverick nations to punish us, as a nation who has turned our back on God's Word and His revealed will for Israel? Psalm 121:4:"'Behold, He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.'"
"The uniqueness of Israel and it's declared capital, Jerusalem, is attested to today, by the desire of almost all of the world's nations for international control over Jerusalem." In A Cup of Trembling: Jerusalem and Bible Prophecy, by Dave Hunt:
"Secular governments don't believe what the Bible says about Jerusalem, so why do they consider this small, isolated Middle East city to be so special? There is no international agreement giving other nations any control over Jerusalem. Yet it is treated as though it belongs not to Israel but to the rest of the world."
"It is unreasonable and unprecedented. The nations of the world have agreed among themselves that Jerusalem cannot be the capital of Israel, even though Israel so designated it and located its Knesset (parliament) there in 1980. For a comparison, consider the case of East Germany. When that defeated country, in defiance of the Potsdam agreement, designated East Berlin as its capital, the nations of the world acquiesced immediately without a murmur of protest."
"Not so with Jerusalem. Why would a world that doesn't believe the Bible's promises concerning Jerusalem treat this city as though what the Bible said were true? That Jerusalem holds the key to world peace is too obvious to argue. The fact that Jerusalem, of all the world's cities, should play such a role makes no sense at all unless one accepts what the God of the Bible has said about it."
The Jewish people's continued existence, after being scattered all over the world these last 1,900 years, exposed to practically every genetic strain that exists, yet remaining still a people who have retained their ethnic, social and religious similarities is a fact which no one can fail to identify as a miracle.
Their amazing resiliency is overshadowed by another miracle: the 100% accuracy of the Biblical prophets, God's great prophets of Israel, in their prophecies made thousands of years ago, foretelling the survival of the Jews and their return to Eretz Israel. The existence of Jewish people, scattered in most countries of the earth but maintaining their distinctive nationality, can be attributed only to the supernatural power and special purpose of God.
"America is an excellent example of what one could expect when Irishmen, Italians, Englishmen, Swedes, Poles, Frenchmen and all the other nationalities of the earth live freely side by side," according to Tim LaHaye in The Beginning of the End. "Slowly but surely there is a blending of nationalities, cultural traits and traditions. Many countries, after three or four hundred years, have such a blending until it becomes difficult to distinguish one from the other. The Jews provide the one international exception."
No one has ever met a Hittite or a Philistine or an Amalekite because these peoples are all extinct. If there were no distinct Jews to be regathered to the land of Israel, God and His Word would be subject to ridicule because God's prophets made so many predictions about the future of the Jews in Israel as God's plan.
God has said: "'For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act; For how can My name be profaned? And My glory I will not give to another.'" Isaiah 48:11
Throughout the history of the human race, the title deed to the land of Israel will remain the exclusive property of the Jewish people. To believe otherwise is to deny the very Word of God:
Jeremiah 31:35-37: "Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day, And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
'If this fixed order departs From before Me,' declares the LORD,'Then the offspring of Israel also shall cease From being a nation before Me forever.'"
"Thus says the LORD, 'If the heavens above can be measured, And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done,' declares the LORD."
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Mar 24, 2015 06:41:10 #
RETW wrote:
It is in the book of Mathew right after the line the right to keep and bear arms shal not be infringed.http://politicaloutcast.com/2015/03/why-it-is-a-big-deal-that-presbyterians-redefined-marriage/
Where in any bible does it say gay marriage is OK?
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Where in any bible does it say gay marriage is OK?
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Mar 24, 2015 06:53:23 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Is that a "bible" question?
You said, "I was raised C of C, went to C of C University and know the "good book" backards and forwards," so don't deflect and answer the question.
And I'll repeat it..."If you know it so well, I have a simple question. How is one saved?"
Mar 24, 2015 07:34:40 #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Go back through the threads, you ate judging. I h... (show quote)
For Heaven's Sake, get real.
You are welcome to believe what you will. I can understand the comfort of the fairy tale. I lived with it for many years.
For centuries the deluded have been claiming that now is the time. Even of it were there is no indication that what you hope is going to happen will.
NOTHING is happening before our eyes that has not been happening since man developed weapons. Mankind loves to fight and mankind loves to speculate. Put those together and you get the story of organized religion.
Speaking truth to hate is not passing judgment.
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Mar 24, 2015 07:39:23 #
mwdegutis wrote:
But the words you speak come from the heartthat... (show quote)
Thank you but I was referring to exact number of the verse so I could look it up myself. Not e a quote from the bible but an actually quote from his mouth, if these are them what is the passage number please, thank you.
Mar 24, 2015 07:53:05 #
Artemis wrote:
Thank you but I was referring to exact number of the verse so I could look it up myself. Not e a quote from the bible but an actually quote from his mouth, if these are them what is the passage number please, thank you.
He will not direct you to Matthew 15:18-20 because then you would read the rest of the words.
Pretty much those that I have been asking about for months that the hypocrites won't address.
"...that is what defiles you. For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander. These are what defile you..."
Funny, how that part is left out, isn't it?
You are correct, of course, there is absolutely nothing to factually support that Jesus said these things.
Mar 24, 2015 08:06:43 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
So dude, you want to dis-communicate the gays, but not the obese? That's what it sounds like. In your mind homosexuality is the main one you want to condemn and condemn is exactly what you are doing. Do you know any fat folk at church; regulars who waddle in every Sunday?
You are truly a piece of.....work and I can see how well the good bible's teachings has worked for you, than again maybe that's my point from a while ago.
Mar 24, 2015 08:08:19 #
Artemis wrote:
You are truly a piece of.....work and I can see how well the good bible's teachings has worked for you, than again maybe that's my point from a while ago.
The Christians call gluttony a "sin".
Mar 24, 2015 08:14:37 #
jelun wrote:
He will not direct you to Matthew 15:18-20 becaus... (show quote)
Hi Julun, It is such a shame isn't it, how words and teachings have been twisted. Unfortunately some things I've read from the bible have been very disappointing, even from things like the sermon on the mountain.
It makes one wonder how accurate it is or was, the narrative of his word. And why didn't HE write down his own teachings, so he would've been direct and they would not have gotten tainted or mislead to interpretation? Just saying something to think about.
Mar 24, 2015 08:28:04 #
JDunneNow wrote:
Tell me. Is God's judgment ongoing against nations or now suspended until the Final Judgment?
There are no living prophets, only believers in the prophecies that are written.
There are still prophesied events that need to occur before the Final judgment, according to God's Word.
In the Scriptures, whenever God began to judge Israel for forsaking His instructions on Godly living and ceasing to worship Him as He had commanded, it began with their weather; resulting in drought eventually causing famine, then diseases and devastating earthquakes, before finally invading their country with conquering armies.
Judgment can fall upon America at any time, with a judgment that precedes all Believers in Christ vacating the earth in the Rapture and preceding the Tribulation. Psalm 83 seems to speak of a time of God's Wrath against Israel's close neighbors; Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are all mentioned, much like ancient Assyria.
These are all nations already occupied by ISIS, or countries they are threatening to invade and conquer. This is the next thing that could occur, possibly taking place this year, coinciding with the last two red moon, making it necessary for Israel to nuke it's neighbor's cities, after these countries have been conquered by ISIS. Israel's territory will be enlarged.
Biblical prophecy teaches that Damascus, Syria and Ammon, Jordan will both be destroyed.
Parts of all these countries are included in the boundaries God originally promised to Abraham, which has not yet been fulfilled.
The battle spoken of in Ezekiel, Chapters 38 and 39 will also occur before Armageddon. A confederation of nations will attack Israel, to include Russia, Iran, Libya, Turkey, and Sudan, and God reserves for Himself the privilege of destroying these nations in such a way it will be obvious to the entire world that He has wrought their destruction.
Some Bible scholars teach this is the same battle as Armageddon, however, Scripture tells us it will take seven years following this battle to bury the dead, and the Revelation of Jesus to John says that following Armageddon the bodies will not be buried.
The Tribulation is a special event meant for God's wrath poured out upon all the nations in final judgment after, at last, welcoming a Jewish nation that recognizes Jesus as their Messiah, after the church - the Body of Christ, has been removed, ending the Time of the Gentiles. If America falls, as many other nations and empires have fallen during the last 4,000 years, it could well be separate from the global judgment to come upon the remainder of the earth during Armageddon, preceding it.
The destruction of the U.S. is overdue; take a good long look around for the foundations of this once greatly blessed nation are crumbling. God must judge us for kicking Him out of our schools, endorsing, legalizing and promoting homosexuality, and cruelly and legally murdering 55 million of our unborn children, because we worship making money as our god, and have forsaken worshiping Him.
Prepare for turbulent times ahead, while keeping your eyes set skyward, where all believers will one day be called home.
The citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah failed to listen to Lot. We have the Scriptures for guidance.
However, we will know for sure only when it happens.
Mar 24, 2015 08:29:46 #
Artemis wrote:
Thank you but I was referring to exact number of the verse so I could look it up myself. Not e a quote from the bible but an actually quote from his mouth, if these are them what is the passage number please, thank you.
These are quotes from Jesus and if you want to look them up go to any bible website and put in some of the keywords to find the passage. I'm not going to do research for you.
Mar 24, 2015 08:37:35 #
mwdegutis wrote:
These are quotes from Jesus and if you want to look them up go to any bible website and put in some of the keywords to find the passage. I'm not going to do research for you.
I already did it.
I added the pieces y'all like to leave out about murder, thieving, adultery... you know, those things you like to give each other a pass on...
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