Danielle Loc: Las Cruces, NM

Really? Why don't you ask Him about that. There is only one Living Creator God. Obviously, you don't know Him. Perhaps you should meet Him. He's an awesome, awesome God. He communicates with those of us who know Him personally, through His Word, through His Spirit, and in a number of different ways. With the way things are going on the planet and in the Middle East and America, I would suggest you seek Him soon. It is not His desire that any should perish, but many will. Got a Bible? Open it and read it with an open heart and mind. It's not a philosophy book, by the way. And, just as a side note, all of the Biblical prophecies are unraveling right now at an astounding rate -- all right on target. Want to understand the interwoven relationship of politics and prophecy? It's all in the Bible, and only God could have foretold it so accurately and so well. Shalom.

jelun

Not being homosexual, how can you possibly know any of what you are spouting?

jelun

I know God. To try to negate my faith is so typically Christian... and no, I will not open a Holy Bible ever again.
Not because there is anything wrong with the tales in that book, because the people who claim that they know it are so ugly.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Unfortunately your god is Satan, the god of this world.

Artemis

I've finally have a chance to get back to your response, my apologies. What I'm trying to say is the bible is a very good foundation, but there are things in the bible that are outdated for our time. Thank God things like slavery have become illegal except to the dark regions(and people) of the world, and dark in every way. Or its outlook on woman, or on Christian.

There are many out dated views in the bible. The bible has been rewritten many times over, maybe it's time for another rendition. That does not have to be a bad thing.

It's time to take out the bad and leave the good. Ok I'm prepared for the firing sqad :shock: :mrgreen:

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I see, only homosexuals can understand that God made them that way. Then how do you explain tto the large number of EX GAYS how God made them homosexual and then changed His mind? I have talked to a number of them, and a number of people who have gone through a period of being same sex attracted as teenagers and, without interference from anyone, became opposite sex attracted as they matured. I also know they have found no "gay gene" nor other biological or hormonal difference between heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. Did you know that pedophiles and pederasts claim they were born that way too? There is as much evidence that they were born that way as that you were born same sex attracted.

Danielle Loc: Las Cruces, NM

I did not negate your faith. I was not aware you had one. I simply said that you do not know the One Living God which is obviously the case. What god do you have faith in? I have a co-worker who honestly believes that the aliens are going to come in their spaceships -- the Galactic Forces -- to save us. What she believes is a twisted mess of Star Wars and the Resurrection story, laced with Green Environmentalism.

I honestly don't dispute the fact that there may be aliens, but they are demonic spirits. They channel through human beings who profess to be the spokespeople for the Galactic Forces. They are Satan's fallen angels. There are many false messiahs parading around these days, jelun. They come as angels of light with very deceptive voices.

If you choose to believe in them -- or whatever god you think you know -- may God help you and reveal Himself to you. You certainly have the right to believe in whoever and whatever you choose to believe in. I'm sorry, too, that you have had some bad experiences with so-called Christians. Trust me. Not all of them know the Lord either. They just like to call themselves Christians, and yes, some can really be ugly. Those of us who know the Lord are far from perfect. We're still works in progress, spinning on the Potter's Wheel.

May the Lord look favorably upon you and shine His light into your heart. That is my prayer for you.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

My perspective is one goes with the other. As it is written

Jeremiah 17:10 God judges the heart

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Amen

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

The bible has been rewritten in order to be understood in our language, with amazing accuracy from Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, first and lasting the KJV king James version and since few Americans speak king James English, new translations came forth.

if you go back and read the threads, you will find a full explanation of slavery. Not in the context of how we think of slavery, people that owed a debt put themselves into slavery to pay off their debt, often times those of higher social economic class. The master had very strict guidelines how treatment of slaves was administered, as they were treated very well and with respect.
Your understanding of scripture is reading misinformation

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

[uote=jelun]N ope,, I h ave no ex pectations of Christ hians. I haven't met one yet who doesn't pick and choose what beliefs to actually claim.
I will leave you to ponder what that makes of the belief system.[/quote]

I find no such example in the body of Christ (Christians). Those of us on this sight are in harmony, yet have never met. Admittedly many better express (write) than I do, we don't pick and have different views. This is a common thread among Christians as the Holy Spirit of God indwells within us (GOD lives
In us, our bodies a living temple). The Holy Spirit is our helper, comforter, teacher and more.
A college student first year, when he begins his first day of math class is he a mathematical genius, or a baby to the field. Christians are at different stages from baby to mature with their understanding of God. And if I asked a baby a question, I may get some babble.
Did you know a full 30% of the bible is prophecy? Your living at a time when over 2000 prophecies have been fulfilled, and we are seeing many of the last prophecies in the process of fulfillment. When someone gets on their knees and ask Jesus to be their lord and savior from the heart, confesses their sins, even the angels in heaven rejoice. The angels are waiting to rejoice for you..

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

I find no such example in the body of Christ (Christians). Those of us on this sight are in harmony, yet have never met. Admittedly many better express (write) than I do, we don't pick and have different views. This is a common thread among Christians as the Holy Spirit of God indwells within us (GOD lives
In us, our bodies a living temple). The Holy Spirit is our helper, comforter, teacher and more.
A college student first year, when he begins his first day of math class is he a mathematical genius, or a baby to the field. Christians are at different stages from baby to mature with their understanding of God. And if I asked a baby a question, I may get some babble.
Did you know a full 30% of the bible is prophecy? Your living at a time when over 2000 prophecies have been fulfilled, and we are seeing many of the last prophecies in the process of fulfillment. When someone gets on their knees and ask Jesus to be their lord and savior from the heart, confesses their sins, even the angels in heaven rejoice. The angels are waiting to rejoice for you..[/quote]

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Hemlock Connoiseur

I can only speculate. For church goers, it might be that they've read the Bible. While many things are defined as sins, few of those are described as an "abomination". This seems to put that particular behavior (man lying with man as a woman) near the top of the hit parade of sin. Also, I don't recall any ancient city being destroyed by fire and brimstone from heaven because it was populated by the obese, or people who cheated on their income taxes.

Or maybe many heterosexuals honestly find homoerotic behavior repellent.

Or maybe many heterosexuals have secret longings in that direction and overcompensate to hide their desires even from themselves.

Which is why Jesus (the first Communist and last Christian?) suggested that we focus our efforts to eliminate sin from the human race on ourselves.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The integrity of Biblical writings has been maintained over the centuries. The original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek has been COPIED and translated into many languages and versions, but the text has NOT been "rewritten." The Dead Sea Scrolls have proven the Bible's accuracy. (fragments of the books of Micah, Daniel, and Isaiah are good examples. An extensive fragment of the Book of Isaiah was placed on public display in Jerusalem for an entire year. This fragment, in two scrolls is nearly 20 feet long)

Up until the 1500s, copies of the Bible were not available to the masses, only the clergy had possession of the Book. It was known as the Chained Bible--It was a huge book and was chained to the pulpits or locked away under guard. In the 1500s, this all changed. The Bible was made available to all. The history of the Bible is fascinating for anyone willing to study.

Danielle Loc: Las Cruces, NM

Hi, Artemis. Certainly things have changed throughout the years, but the Word of God -- in its original format -- certainly hasn't. New translations have also come forth to make for easier reading, but you have to compare those translations to the original Hebrew which has been meticulously copied by scribes through thousands of years. You also have to look at the original Greek and Aramaic. The question to ask about any translation is whether or not the actual text and meaning have been altered or changed.

God has faithfully preserved His Word and we are instructed in the Bible not to alter or to change it. There are some translations out there now which are definitely altered from the original meanings.

For really easy-flowing reading, I like The New Jerusalem Bible, which also includes the books which were deleted from most Christian Bibles, books like The First and Second Book of Maccabees. The New Jerusalem Bible is the Complete Text of the Ancient Canon of the Scriptures following the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts.

The Complete Jewish Bible is a translation I often use at my Messianic congregation. I also take The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible -- the King James Version. The New King James Version is very reliable and easier to read -- some say a bit closer to the original scriptures than the old-fashioned English reading style found in the King James.

Aside the Orthodox Jewish Bible (Tanakh and Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadashah) which I sometimes use for referencing and/or comparing scriptures in the Old Testament, I stay away from other translations.

Unfortunately, to take out of the Bible what human beings deem bad and leave in what human beings may deem good, is to alter the Bible entirely and make it a work of man, not God. God has a reason and a purpose for everything he put in the Bible, whether we like it or not.

Don't be deceived. God said what He said and He meant what He said. His ancient prophecies are unfolding at such a rapid rate today through what is happening in the Middle East, Israel, and even this country, that no one should doubt that only God could have written His Holy Word through those whom He chose to reveal Him and His relationship to humanity from Creation through today and what is to come.

The picture is quite often far from pretty -- the Bible reveals the fall and depravation of mankind. The Bible reveals the only way for man to right Himself with the Father through belief in and relationship with a Savior, the Son of God. The Bible also reveals the consequences quite clearly for those who reject Yeshua (Jesus).

Not one of us is perfect or ever will be. We have all fallen short of the glory of God. We are, however, as long as our hearts are sincere, forgiven for our sins as long as we have accepted Yeshua (Jesus) and as long as we repent of them and work to correct our erroneous and self-centered human ways.

No, we cannot rewrite the Bible to our liking. To do so is to create a false God and false messiah.

Be blessed, Artemis. Study the scriptures and ask the Lord to reveal Himself to you. He knows the human heart. Shalom.