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Jan 14, 2015 00:39:28   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Loki wrote:
I once offered to take a guy who heated with wood over to a place where there was some free wood, and let him load up my pickup with it. He ACTUALLY wanted me to go over there and load it myself and bring it to him.
Worthless jerk I hope he got real cold.

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Jan 14, 2015 01:03:22   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Worthless jerk I hope he got real cold.


He had his meth to keep him warm. You CANNOT help one of these people until and unless they clean up.

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Jan 14, 2015 02:12:03   #
1776Nate
 
Drug test all of them;employees,employers,government officials,and all of them.I drug test at my job,and if I got a dirty drug test I'd be on the streets.Unconstitutional?Screw that,as if the government cares about OUR constitutional rights.Forget about government dependency and be a man,get a job loser.If someone is disabled and needs help that is understandable but should still be drug tested.Being disabled doesn't give them a right to spend an innocent childs food money on drugs or alcohol.Also,they should be regulated on their pharmaceutical medications,so they aren't strung out on Vicodin,Oxy,etc.

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Jan 14, 2015 02:13:59   #
1776Nate
 
What a lazy bastard!I'd tell him load the firewood or freeze this winter.

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Jan 14, 2015 02:25:57   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
1776Nate wrote:
What a lazy bastard!I'd tell him load the firewood or freeze this winter.


Once more, you CANNOT help these people unless they clean up. Trying to do anything for a drug addict or alcoholic while they are still actively doing drugs or whatever is a waste of time. This is why I agree with drug testing for entitlements.

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Jan 14, 2015 04:05:28   #
adkguy
 
keithhowell58 wrote:
Don't take away from the kids i'm pretty sure we all agree with that, we also agree about people (adults) taking advantage of the system should be stopped and if possible put in jail, but lets face it no matter what you do your going to have people taking advantage! I personally know people write now that brag about taking advantage of the system as far as disability, and i also know the longer you give free stuff to people they are going to take advantage! But I feel drug testing isn't the right answer! Maybe if there were better insensitives to get off welfare there might be a change! (Higher minimum wage)it might not make a difference to some critics but if you can send money overseas to build schools and roads and arm foreign armies you can say let's fix our problems first! I know that sounds selfish and mean but that is how i feel!
Don't take away from the kids i'm pretty sure we a... (show quote)

We are not "taking away from the kids", their drug taking, rule breaking parents would be. Put the blame in the appropriate place. Nobody liberal gives a fat rat's ass if someone trying to work is denied because he/she
does drugs, just the scum that continually sucks off the public teat.

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Jan 14, 2015 07:59:52   #
Antisocialist Loc: Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
What about safety nets for innocent children? Say Mommy and Daddy smoked some weed. Should little Susie and Johnnie go hungry and without shelter?


Those kids won't go hungry if mommy and daddy stop smoking pot. By providing food without any restrictions, you are doing nothing more than enabling those who use drugs. If the government is providing them with free food, that enables them to use any money they do have to buy drugs. It's just a matter of responsibility, something Liberals cannot comprehend.

I worked for the Federal Government as a private contractor and drug testing was mandatory. In my case, I was required to take a drug test even though I provided a service to the government. I see no reason where people that take the tax dollars I earn and have confiscated by the government should not be subject to the same requirements I endured to earn that money in the first place.

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Jan 14, 2015 08:19:29   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Antisocialist wrote:
Those kids won't go hungry if mommy and daddy stop smoking pot. By proving food without any restrictions, you are doing nothing more than enabling those who use drugs. If the government is providing them with free food, that enables them to use any money they do have to buy drugs. It's just a matter of responsibility, something Liberals cannot comprehend.

I worked for the Federal Government as a private contractor and drug testing was mandatory. In my case, I was required to take a drug test even though I provided a service to the government. I see no reason where people that take the tax dollars I earn and have confiscated by the government should not be subject to the same requirements I endured to earn that money in the first place.
Those kids won't go hungry if mommy and daddy stop... (show quote)


I was a civilian contractor for the military for a while. As far as I know, everyone there was subject to drug testing to get the job, and subject to continued testing to keep the job. Since we were on 24 hour call, they took it seriously.

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Jan 14, 2015 08:28:47   #
Antisocialist Loc: Florida
 
Loki wrote:
I was a civilian contractor for the military for a while. As far as I know, everyone there was subject to drug testing to get the job, and subject to continued testing to keep the job. Since we were on 24 hour call, they took it seriously.


Same here; drug tested to get the job and continued random drug tests to keep it. I have no problem with that and can calibrate drug testing equipment with my urine or blood.

There is no valid reason people who take my tax dollars cannot be subject to the same requirements I was.

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Jan 14, 2015 08:45:39   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Antisocialist wrote:
Same here; drug tested to get the job and continued random drug tests to keep it. I have no problem with that and can calibrate drug testing equipment with my urine or blood.

There is no valid reason people who take my tax dollars cannot be subject to the same requirements I was.


The same old Liberal crap "what about the children?" will not flush. You are not helping kids by enabling the addict or alcoholic parents. So the parents are denied aid because of their dependency, and the kids are taken out of the home. How is this worse than living in a dopehouse?

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Jan 14, 2015 09:29:56   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Loki wrote:
He had his meth to keep him warm. You CANNOT help one of these people until and unless they clean up.
Some never do . We have more than one addle brained stroke victim under 40 shuffling around on the streets of Coos Bay. Some neighbors around the corner have a 26 year old daughter who wanders the streets in the driveing rain with a cow eyed expression and no clue where she is going. Lost her mind on meth and uses sex to keep getting more.

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Jan 14, 2015 09:42:24   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Some never do . We have more than one addle brained stroke victim under 40 shuffling around on the streets of Coos Bay. Some neighbors around the corner have a 26 year old daughter who wanders the streets in the driveing rain with a cow eyed expression and no clue where she is going. Lost her mind on meth and uses sex to keep getting more.


I haven't been in Coos Bay since 1978. You folks didn't seem to have those problems back then. Neither did Grants Pass, (Actually Selma ), where I lived.
Point being, you are doing no one a favor if you enable a doper or drunk to obtain more of their particular poison. Concerning children, do you think it does them a favor when you help daddy get stoned?
This is why I support drug testing. If someone is trying, they will stay clean. If they are not trying, you are doing everyone involved a disservice by enabling them. If taxpayers have to get drug tested, why not entitlement recipients? Those random tests when I was a civilian contractor did wonders for keeping everyone on the straight and narrow, if for no other reason than these were high paying jobs. You think a party is more important than your job, I don't want to work with you anyway. When you are at sea, safety becomes paramount. There is enough danger on an ocean going vessel anyway without someone being screwed up and causing more.

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Jan 14, 2015 10:04:54   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Loki wrote:
I haven't been in Coos Bay since 1978. You folks didn't seem to have those problems back then. Neither did Grants Pass, (Actually Selma ), where I lived.
Point being, you are doing no one a favor if you enable a doper or drunk to obtain more of their particular poison. Concerning children, do you think it does them a favor when you help daddy get stoned?
This is why I support drug testing. If someone is trying, they will stay clean. If they are not trying, you are doing everyone involved a disservice by enabling them. If taxpayers have to get drug tested, why not entitlement recipients? Those random tests when I was a civilian contractor did wonders for keeping everyone on the straight and narrow, if for no other reason than these were high paying jobs. You think a party is more important than your job, I don't want to work with you anyway. When you are at sea, safety becomes paramount. There is enough danger on an ocean going vessel anyway without someone being screwed up and causing more.
I haven't been in Coos Bay since 1978. You folks d... (show quote)
There have been several deaths out on the Ocean here that have been attibuted to meth. The local fishermen have blacklistede dopers from their boats. Years ago I Drag fished on a boat called the Ginny and Jill. The skipper would constantly send me down below to open the sea cock flood the bilge then shut it off and turn on the pump to get the fish slime out of the bilge. he wanted me to stay below till he said I could come back up. After doing this about 10 times on one trip I was over come by diesel fumes and came back up into the stateroom. The skipper and the two other crew were snorting meth on the Gally table. I went up on the bow. I got off that boat when we came back 2 days later and refused to go back to work with that crew the next trip. They all died later that year.

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Jan 14, 2015 10:40:59   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
There have been several deaths out on the Ocean here that have been attibuted to meth. The local fishermen have blacklistede dopers from their boats. Years ago I Drag fished on a boat called the Ginny and Jill. The skipper would constantly send me down below to open the sea cock flood the bilge then shut it off and turn on the pump to get the fish slime out of the bilge. he wanted me to stay below till he said I could come back up. After doing this about 10 times on one trip I was over come by diesel fumes and came back up into the stateroom. The skipper and the two other crew were snorting meth on the Gally table. I went up on the bow. I got off that boat when we came back 2 days later and refused to go back to work with that crew the next trip. They all died later that year.
There have been several deaths out on the Ocean he... (show quote)


Tell me about it. I worked on a long line boat for a while. We had one guy that was worse than useless. He lasted one trip. I will not knowingly put to sea with a doper or drunk.

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Jan 14, 2015 10:50:19   #
Kevyn
 
2bltap wrote:
MICHIGAN TO BEGIN DRUG TESTING SOME WELFARE RECIPIENTS

by WARNER TODD HUSTON
26 Dec 2014
Lansing, MI609
On Friday, the state of Michigan took the step to implement a mandatory drug test for recipients of state aid who authorities suspect are taking illegal drugs.

Michigan’s Republican Governor, Rick Snyder, signed House Bill 4118 and Senate Bill 275, authorizing a one-year pilot program that will be implemented in three counties.

“We want to remove the barriers that are keeping people from getting good jobs, supporting their families and living independently,” Snyder said in a statement. “This pilot program is intended to help ensure recipients get the wrap-around services they need to overcome drug addiction and lead successful lives. We’ll then have opportunity to assess effectiveness and outcomes.”

The law allows authorities to drug test aid recipients who are thought to be taking illegal drugs. A positive result for illegal substances can result in termination of welfare for recipients or rejection for aid for new applicants.

The bills were heavily opposed by state Democrats, but Republicans control both the state House and Senate, resulting in easy passage.

Opponents of the initiative said that similar laws in other states have not been proven to save states money.

To all here on OPP, I submit this controversially topic for discussion. In my opinion, I think this is very good idea. The reason for my agreeing with this move by the Michigan Legislature, should be followed by all states as I'm sure we can all agree that there is rampant misuse and abuse of this and other "So called entitlement programs". For those who may disagree with this please remember "WE" are all paying for these programs through our hard earned taxes. Shouldn't we be able to stop the abuse of our money? Those also against this argue money is not being saved. Is that really the point? Your thoughts please.


Semper Fi
MICHIGAN TO BEGIN DRUG TESTING SOME WELFARE RECIPI... (show quote)

Arguably the biggest welfare recipient in the state of Michigan is Tigers and Red Wings owner Mike Illich who has recieved hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to build a new ice skating rink for his Red Wings who are of course made up of Millionairs, many of them Russian. You would think the douchbag politicians who passed the drug test for welfare folks law would force Illich and his family along with his teams to piss in a cup each week for their wellfare check. But they won't because he bought and paid for most of them and he is due his taxpayer money with no strings attached.

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