no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

With the exception of calling a homosexual union "marriage" I agree with you. It is obvious that single parent households and the lack of male parenting in most cases is part of the problem and is reflected in increased crime and higher drop out rates in that group. Of course I do not want kids in abusive households, whether it is physical, mental or sexual abuse. Often two or all three occur together, and the damage is so often permanent, even with years of therapy the repair is not complete. It can result in a fully functioning adult but there are always haunting memories and an emptiness that does not fully go away. The" hole in my soul" that so many feel gets smaller, but is always there. As far as homosexuals having any kind of sex that they wish to have, with whom ever and in what combination they wish to have it, as long as it is behind closed doors the only problem I have with it is the spread of sexual transmitted diseases that accompanies such behavior (condoms are not guaranteed to stop STD and are only 50% effective in HIV even used correctly) I do have a major problem when children are educated that this behavior is acceptable and a valid moral way to live. Therefore I do not believe that fifth grade students should be taught how to safely do anal sex (there is no way to safely have anal sex, period Nor should children be taught that same sex attraction is 100% genetically influenced. It is not, and the environmental and genetic combination is not well understood and never will be. to do the research necessary to determine the amount of influence of each would involve thousands subjects managed and in a controlled environment from birth to about thirty years of age. That would be treating thousands of people as lab animals, even the "progressives" who believe that people should be subjects rather than citizens would not tolerate that approach.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Judge not, lest you be judged does not mean that all points of view are equally valid, any more than it means that all cultures, from those cultures that call for ritual sacrifice of children, to those that believe sex with children is a wonderful thing, as did the ancient Roman and Greek pagan cultures. If all cultures are equally valid, no matter what they do, then there are no valid cultures, just like the statement that all ideas are true, a contradiction in terms.

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

You are not married. Will NEVER be considered married, except by other homosexuals and stupid liberals. Homosexual marriage is not legal according to the Constitution of the US, which is the LAW of the land. NOT law of the land according to LIBERAL interpretation. And it is not a marriage ORDAINED by God, thus as such is NOT legitimate.
Believe what you think, but it wont be fun for you and your "lover" in the hereafter. Apparently, only THEN will you realize, and then it will be too late.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

When I hear the comment from anyone that they seek a path to God that is generally not open to them, I have several questions to ask. Suppose a married man wants to cheat on his wife with a number of women, but seeks a path to God while not wishing to change his behavior in any way, should the Bible be rewritten to accommodate his carnal desires? If a married couple wish to be swingers and have a large number of partners and be involved in group sex, because they believe that isn't included in the "not commit adultery" part, should their path become valid and not be scorned by others who are trying hard to keep the ten commandments? If a person thinks that stealing from his neighbor is not against the commandment if his neighbor has more than he does, should the rules be rewritten for him, so he doesn't feel left out? Gods' rules are against the act of same sex behavior, not the attraction. There may be no way for many adults to avoid the same sex attraction, but there are ways to avoid the act and I have a number of same sex attracted friends who live with someone they dearly love, but are in a no sexual activity relationship because they know to do otherwise is against Gods' law.

johnson90

Pretty funny how you say that so easily until someone says something that offends you and you start acting like a crazed idiot! I've seen that from you many times! You are one of those who can dish it out, but taking it is an entirely different story.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

First, thank you for the response. I am sure it weighed heavily on you. Now then, the discussion was not of child sacrifice which is specifically forbidden in my faith, nor was it about elevating a god above The Most High...God of all. And at no place did the conversation stray to pedophiles. The discussion was regarding homosexuals and harshly judging them for their feeling. Allow me to get this out front, please keep in mind that the Christian faith is much harsher in some matters than mine. And vice versa, we are harsher in some areas than Christians. But, I think you may be aware of those differences and there is no need to examine the differences line by line.

Fact is, Jewish law is concerned not with the source of a person’s erotic urges nor with inner feelings, but with acts. The Torah forbids the homosexual act, known as mishkav zakhar, but has nothing to say about homosexuality as a state of being or a personal inclination. It is a fact that many people who are homosexual can be observant Jews, providing they do not act on their erotic urges.

The basis of the prohibition against homosexual acts derives from two biblical verses in Leviticus: “Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence” (Leviticus 18:22) and “If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death—their bloodguilt is upon them” (Leviticus 20:13). The Torah considers a homosexual act between two men to be an abhorrent thing (to’evah), punishable by death—a strong prohibition

And the Torah does not give reason for this prohibition, it just is and we accept the law. It could come from the sin of Sodom which was destroyed by God. And it could come from the pagan worship of their gods. “No Israelite woman shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any Israelite man be a cult prostitute” (Deuteronomy 23:18). Cultic prostitution, both hetero‑ and homosexual, was a common feature of idolatrous worship in the ancient Near East.

For as long as there have been Jews, rabbis have tried to come up with reasons for the biblical prohibition of mishkav zakhar. And it is important for you to understand that although we try to find reason, the Torah prohibition always stands on its own even if no cogent rationale can be found for it. Some rabbis have argued that homosexuality is forbidden because procreation is impossible. Others have defined the homosexual act as intrinsically unnatural and therefore opposed to the purposes of creation. There are difficulties, however, with both explanations. Judaism grants sexuality a purpose above and beyond procreation, and natural law, which means that people do it because it feels good and it is healthy.

A more likely explanation for the ban against homosexual behavior is given in the Talmud by Bar Kapparah, who makes a play on the word to’evah (“abomination”), claiming that it means to’eh atah ba (“you go astray because of it”). Both Tosefot and the Asheri (medieval commentators) comment on this passage that a man will leave his wife and family to pursue a relationship with another man. In other words, homosexuality undermines and threatens the Jewish ideal of family life, of marriage and children, articulated in the Torah. Heterosexuality is the communal norm for Jews; homosexuality, a perversion of that norm.

Now then, if you wish to discuss rituals aside from homosexual actions, we can certainly have that conversation.

maureenthannon

Don't you know that the left are the most intolerant creatures on rarth. They're always telling everybody else that we have to tooerate everything thery like, but they don't have to put up with anyone who thinks differently than they do. They think the world would be perfect if everyone agreed with them and had no thoughts of their own. George Orwell thought things would be this way in 1984, but he was about 25 years off.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Miss intolerant pot, meet miss intolerant kettle.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

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Giving queer perverts control of an innocent child is child abuse of the worst kind.

Queers can make legal contracts giving them all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities that legitimately married couples have.

But calling it marriage is revising the meaning of words that have been in existence for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. If judges can do this they can change the meanings of orher words that are used in legal contracts and agreements.

What would happen if crooked lawyers and judges decided to change the meaning of commonly used words in legal documents. What if it was decreed that employee or employer meant something else. What about words like agree, accept, easement, mortgage, robbery, chattel, and so many other words that are used in legal matters.

If the word "marriage" can be revised to have a different meaning from what it has always been, the entire legal system could be revised and destroyed.

A real can of worms could be opened.

johnson90

You are absolutely correct! BUT unfortunately that's how far we have allowed the progressives to shove their agendas down our throats. We sat back quietly for the last 25 or 30 years and it seems we are still being quiet. Until we (Conservatives, Christians, and everyone else who adheres to morality in the same sense as we do) stand up and say ENOUGH its only going to continue getting worse. At this point it may take a revolution to get things back to the way they were. Dr Ben Carson would be a great start for getting the USA back to what she was originally meant to be and what she use to stand for before these progressives, communist, Muslim loving, American hating morons took control of our "ONCE" great nation.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

NPP - I truly respect your choice (and many conservative Christians) FOR YOURSELF. While many of the relationships you describe above are unappealing to me, the understanding between individuals and God (however they understand that) is a mystery. Yes, there are social/cultural repercussions, some worse than others. The same can be said of democracy, industrialization, as well as the myriad of ways Christianity is practiced. But we make individual decisions about what is acceptable and what is not. I believe there is room for many ways to see things.

I completely understand that your beliefs are rooted in the Bible, and that's absolutely your right. But it isn't your right to foist your beliefs on others (as it is not mine).

One of the most intelligent things the new pope has said is "God is not afraid of change." We shouldn't be either.

CarolSeer2016

And she was a nice Jewish girl, too.

I also apologize for any offense. Probably to both Jews and Christians.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

In at least twenty post on this subject I have stated that it is the homosexual act that is wrong, not the same sex attraction. the same can be said for attraction to your neighbors wife, your neighbors children, of the thought that rape would be a good idea, or a lust for the sheep in the pasture. All are sins if they are acted upon.
You were quick to claim that I have been horribly judgmental of Paul, without knowing the background between us. We have carried on a great number of public and private conversations .He understands my belief that homosexual acts are a sin, as are heterosexual acts outside of marriage, but he also knows that I would not condone any acts of aggression against any homosexual as long as they stayed away from children (that qualification also goes for heterosexuals) I have gone out of my way to state that the negative terms used by many are not acceptable which is why I always refer to same sex attracted people as homosexual or same sex attracted, not fags, queers (even though they proudly use the term for themselves)or homos. "Gay" in my vocabulary means happy and joyous, so I do not use that term either. Your response to me was at least as judgmental as you claim I have been. you know nothing about the people who use those terms, and when I suggested there might be some good reasons for their hatred of a subset of the group, you chose to ignore that. Apparently that someone had been homosexual molested or raped, or had had a brother, son, or grandson assaulted should not make that person hateful of homosexuals, nor should a parent leaving the marriage so they could cohabit with a same sex partner. If that is the case, your understanding is decidedly one way. Perhaps you should spend some time talking to the victims of pederasts before you make up your mind in that direction.
Yes, I was, and still am surprised that Paul would think it was funny to claim that Jesus had two fathers who somehow created an embryo and implanted it in the womb of a woman Mary so she could be the surrogate mother. Using that argument to validate same sex adoption of children makes no sense and is not up to Paul's usual standards. He has not before gone out of his way to insult Christians, particularly claiming it a joke less than one week before we celebrate the birthday of Jesus, and I do not know why he did it, as usually both he and BTFKR are much more considerate than that. My wife She Who Must Be Obeyed and I would stand up and protect either one of those two men were they in need of our help..
Well, SWMBO and I have to prepare for the arrival of a young man who was,routinely sexually abused as a child until a couple of years ago.and is under psychiatric care, in a new home, where we, as counselors and surrogate grandparents are helping him cope with his past abuse and go one with his new life. Monday we will be spending the time working with the other boy we are trying to help, one who ran away from an abusive home ended up with two men who involved him in homosexual prostitution and child pornography. He may never get his life together, but we, and the entire team working with him are doing what we can.
Think about what I said and hope you are having a Happy Hanukkah.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Oh my, I certainly hope no one takes this simple fact as something offensive! People tend to forget that Jesus was a Jew as well.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

To everyone on OPP, I make my sincerest apologies for the hurt my post has engendered. That was never my intent. And I realize now that what I see as a very funny observation on family structure was poorly and insensitively timed, this being the Christmas season.

However you celebrate, whatever you believe, this should be above all a season of joy and coming together.

I wish you each and every one (and I do mean EVERY one) a joyful celebration and hope it is full of the good fellowship and family that we all wish for.