So it really is a choice?
Nov 12, 2014 19:29:06 #
All they want is equal rights with straights, That means not being discriminated against. They are entitled to equal treatment.
Grugore wrote:
Not just me. Everyone who disagrees with them. Rem... (show quote)
Nov 12, 2014 19:42:30 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
All they want is equal rights with straights, That means not being discriminated against. They are entitled to equal treatment.
Watch this...I don't know you and so what it is worth...I am giving the queers here the same rights I am giving you...
Not one to really desire to pick on you...but as you say...equal rights and all. I reserve to hate as per "equal opportunity"...which means I can HATE anyone at any time....who and how ever I decide...that way I think I am being sooooo frigging fair...I have been this way for years, too!
Equal rights...Gays should all line up in front of a VERY fast moving train....but wait...before they do that...make sure they drag YOU along with them...now...they frigging have their equal rights.......wait for the train now....wait.....let it come to you.....
Nov 12, 2014 19:44:25 #
I have a problem with making "born this way" as an automatic and accepted stamp of approval for behavior. Many of us seem to have certain predilections that we appeared to be born with that are not merely considered unsavory or questionable but harmful and criminal. Is the defense for a sociopath or psychopath to be they had no choice and thus it's all good? There is a strong genetic case for alcoholism being inherited: is giving into this lifestyle and all the wrong that goes with it to be tolerated, or aggrandized into law, because they were born that way?
If laws were predicated on genetic dispositions, such as homosexuality or alcoholism, that discriminated against them, that would be wrong because humans have a choice. But if we oblige certain predispositions as being lawful and accepted by their mere presence in our makeup, is that just to society?
If laws were predicated on genetic dispositions, such as homosexuality or alcoholism, that discriminated against them, that would be wrong because humans have a choice. But if we oblige certain predispositions as being lawful and accepted by their mere presence in our makeup, is that just to society?
Nov 12, 2014 19:50:11 #
no propaganda please wrote:
Nana Sue, br br There are one hell of a lot of th... (show quote)
NPP - I'm horrified to see the last sentence above in your post. What possible justification do you have for saying such a thing? I thought better of you, and have long given you great leeway in holding your particular viewpoint. But that is too far over the edge. Please explain yourself.
Nov 12, 2014 19:52:26 #
PaulPisces wrote:
NPP - I'm really unclear at what you are trying to say; maybe you can elaborate?
What I was trying to point out in this post is that sexual orientation is not a choice. If it were then any heterosexual would be able to choose to be gay - say for a year or so to illustrate to their child how easy it is to change. But everyone knows a heterosexual cannot just decide to be gay. So why think a gay person's ability to change is any different?
What I was trying to point out in this post is that sexual orientation is not a choice. If it were then any heterosexual would be able to choose to be gay - say for a year or so to illustrate to their child how easy it is to change. But everyone knows a heterosexual cannot just decide to be gay. So why think a gay person's ability to change is any different?
Not that I disagree with you. But how do we explain heterosexual men in prisons who ultimately engage in homosexuality?
Nov 12, 2014 19:54:21 #
Thats a lot of nonsense. I don't care if a person is male, female, gay or straight. Everybody needs sex. It's a natural need and a necessity for mental health. If you have a thing for abstinence, go for it because nobody else will!
Grugore wrote:
We may not have any choice about our sexual orientation, but we do have a choice about whether or not we act on those feelings. Homosexual behavior is destructive to the individual and society as a whole. The majority of new aids victims are homosexual. Then you have bisexuals, who spread the disease even further. Many homosexuals have hundreds of sexual partners over their lifetime. It's time we put a stop to this plague.
Nov 12, 2014 20:01:57 #
rumitoid wrote:
I have a problem with making "born this way&q... (show quote)
I'm right with you on this one rumitoid. Although I do not believe in discriminating against anyone. As Jesus said, remove the plank from your eye so you can see clearly to remove the spec from your brothers eye.
Nov 12, 2014 20:08:37 #
Kirk wrote:
Not that I disagree with you. But how do we explain heterosexual men in prisons who ultimately engage in homosexuality?
Kirk - I don't have any expertise in prison populations, but from what I've read homosexual activity in prisons reflects either a desperate need for the only human intimacy available or is a base use of sex as a tool for power in a population that has very little. In any case, I think it's important to make the distinction in this case between orientation and mere activity.
As a separate example, prepubescent boys often experiment with sexual activity with each other as a normal exploration of sexual awareness. This in and of itself is not always an indication of a definitive adult orientation.
Hope that helps.
Nov 12, 2014 20:15:04 #
PaulPisces wrote:
Kirk - I don't have any expertise in prison popula... (show quote)
Nothing will help, Paul. Their minds are made up; don't confuse them with facts.
Nov 12, 2014 20:18:40 #
rumitoid wrote:
I have a problem with making "born this way&q... (show quote)
Rumitoid - I would't presume to speak for everyone but I myself never meant to translate "born this way" into some universal justification for any and every behavior.
Your comment makes the mistake of lumping non-harmful behavior/conditions in with those that are harmful. A stable loving gay couple is not the same as a schizophrenic killer. We certain saw the horror of another viewpoint of eugenics in Nazi Germany, where blond blue-eyed white people were de facto supposed to be superior due to genetic coding over which they had no control.
Nov 12, 2014 20:59:14 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Thats a lot of nonsense. I don't care if a person is male, female, gay or straight. Everybody needs sex. It's a natural need and a necessity for mental health. If you have a thing for abstinence, go for it because nobody else will!
Now who's spouting nonsense? There are many individuals who have gone their entire lives without sex, and are no worse off for it.
Nov 12, 2014 21:41:28 #
no propaganda please
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saltwind 78 wrote:
Thats a lot of nonsense. I don't care if a person is male, female, gay or straight. Everybody needs sex. It's a natural need and a necessity for mental health. If you have a thing for abstinence, go for it because nobody else will!
By your comments you apparently believe that sexual addicts,men who have sex with anyone who is willing, and those whose daily workout is with adult or child pornography are the most well adjusted and happiest people out there. People need relationships, emotional connections, and friends they can love and respect. The love I am talking about need never be sexual in nature. If you live in a permanent state of "the rut" as in mating season for deer, you are a pathetic person. There are even people that for physical reasons cannot have satisfactory sexual encounters but lead happy well adjusted lives. You and Brian Devon seem to live in the emotional and maturity of a 13 year old boy. BD is the father of two adult children, but maybe you really are 13 physically as well as emotionally.
Nov 12, 2014 22:32:11 #
no propaganda please wrote:
By your comments you apparently believe that sexua... (show quote)
BD fits the criminal profile of a child molester, someone that commits incest, and a pedophile. I do not think he has children that are very old, as he would be sitting behind bars convicted if his children were old enough to report him...it will come to it sooner or later. Sooner would be better.
Nov 12, 2014 22:45:56 #
PaulPisces wrote:
Rumitoid - I would't presume to speak for everyone... (show quote)
No, I do not make that mistake; you presume the behavior is non-harmful. Are you certain? We are not dealing with eugenics, though it is not far a field. Society comes to terms with its members and sets certain mores, rules, and laws. This is what the general public finds tolerable. This is never fair or just. Again, this is never fair or just...it just is.
So, forget gay equality in America? No. But be reasonable. It is not just a simple rights issue. Pedophiles are lining up behind you for the same rights: give a good case to deny them.
I personally hate gender-specific roles.
Nov 12, 2014 22:49:14 #
PaulPisces wrote:
I love this columnist's advice for the parents of a young gay person. Set an example of how clearly orientation is a choice by changing yourself for a year or so.
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Gee so Fagging off with the Dog like the Liberal Faggot Judges say you can marry your dog now... would
changing your orientation at the age of awareness be that too in the future
like fagging off with a Dog ?
I like the way his dissent was written.... clearly sets the stage....
Are Dogs gay too ?
Are there truly Faggy Dogs ?
Hmmmmm
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