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Nov 9, 2014 10:03:12   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Vacaman wrote:
It all starts at the top, if we had a moral commander and Cheif we can turn this around. One could argue that todays so called entertainment industry is quite immature and disturbing at best. These writers today pen scripts that remind me of the troubled little child at elementary school who would day dream all day of destruction and mayhem, all the while trying to include as much vulgarity as possible.
It is hard for me to understand the attraction to such crappy programming and poorly written story lines. It is no longer just sex, it is zero moral value.
Yes we have turned away from our creator and the world needs him now more than ever.
It all starts at the top, if we had a moral comman... (show quote)


I am afraid that it goes much further than the immoral, unethical and totally corrupt commander in chief and his administration. The valueless society has deeper roots. It was partially caused by a dynamic shift toward moral and cultural relativism which got a strong start during WW1. "Those who were part of the moral and intellectual hotbed of the between the wars generation , whether drifting through coffee houses or settled in the halls of academe adopted a cultural relativism as the enlightened orthodoxy of true progrossivism. It was against all moral and cultural absolutes and therefore against most kinds of authority, especially Western assumptions of cultural superiority. As Robert Edgerton, a cultural anthropologist said ' an anthropologist is a person who respects every culture but his own' It was definately against America. At bottom it was a radical political and moral creed, now brazenly promoted as scientific method. Cultural relativism was the furthest thing from neutral and scientific. It included preferences for raw self-espression rather than Victorian style self control; beliefs that all people should live for the enjoyments of the moment and glorify the body in all its forms of sexual expression, and in politics that all people should embrace egalitarianism and feminism. At bottom this creed was deeply anti American and anti Christian." (The book of Absolutes" by William Gairdner) The anthropologist who looked at ancient cultures believed that those cultures that sacrificed children at their alters, encouraged adults to have sex with children and animals, and cannibalized their enemies had belief systems with as much moral worth as did Judaism and Christianity. People like Margaret Mead and her lesbian lover examined Samoa and wrote "Coming of Age in Samoa" and said they were the ultimate culture of kind and gentle people, purposefully ignoring the ritual sacrifices, child rape and other horrid things that the culture practices before Christian missionaries came to the island and taught. These are the studies that were referred to and taught in schools when I was a teenager, and the equal value of all these cultures to Christianity was emphasized. The cultural relativism and its twin brother moral relativism changed the culture and spawned the Black and Gay Liberation Theologies among other concepts. One of those concepts that is becoming more mainstream every day is Process theology, the concept that mans changes in his behavior change God and therefore change the rules by which we live. It is a man invented god and god mutated to fit man's carnal desires. The morality therefore has been seriously warped, and all we can do is fight it with God's help.

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Nov 9, 2014 10:24:45   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Are you a member of the morality police? Morality is subjective. What is immoral to me may be fine for you. If you really want to discuss morality, I suggest we start with corporate morality. I find it interesting that when a corporation goes bankrupt, the senior officers get big bonuses, while the working stiffs lose their pensions. Big business uses their power to pass right to work laws,depriving labor from having any power. There are many more examples.
tmcsea1 wrote:
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we Americans display by allowing our great country to become morally bankrupt. I worry about the future of our younger generation and how we sat back and allowed it to happen. My fellow Americans it's so vital that we join together and protect the future of our youth. I truly believe the most important issue we must start with is our freedom of religion. We have sat back and allowed our president and politicians to show blatant disrespect to our creator, God. We have allowed evil to take over. Remember the days of Leave it to Beaver? Remember when family values were so important? Remember the pride we felt each day in school while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance? How could we allow prayer to be taken out of our military? Did we worry about school shootings? NO, we did not. We allowed God to be taken out of the schools and look what has happened. I beg each and every one of you to set time aside to seriously consider these matters. It's time to take our country back and rebuild our moral structure. Our youth are constantly exposed to sex, violence, suicide, drugs and disrespect to authority. Thank you and God bless.
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we America... (show quote)

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Nov 9, 2014 10:25:33   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
[quote=Brian Devon]
tmcsea1 wrote:
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we Americans display by allowing our great country to become morally bankrupt. I worry about the future of our younger generation and how we sat back and allowed it to happen. My fellow Americans it's so vital that we join together and protect the future of our youth. I truly believe the most important issue we must start with is our freedom of religion. We have sat back and allowed our president and politicians to show blatant disrespect to our creator, God. We have allowed evil to take over.

Remember the days of Leave it to Beaver?






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TMC,
"Leave It to Beaver" was fiction. It was shot on a CBS sound stage with actors---you know those folks who get paid mega-bucks to pretend to be other people.

Unlike "Beaver", America in the 1950s was not all white, all straight, and a place where "great white father", sitting at his office desk, could solve all problems within 30 minutes, before the credits rolled.

You might want to put away your D.C. comics version of American history and take a glance at the truth about this nation.

Try reading Howard Zinn's, "A People's History of the United States."


BTW, the fictional world of "Beaver" died in the 1960s civil rights struggles and the blood soaked rice patties of southeast Asia.
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we America... (show quote)


brinie: Your an excellent example of why the Nov 4th wave started cleansing this Country...keep it up...your our secret weapon for 2016!

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Nov 9, 2014 10:29:51   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Steve700 wrote:
Yes, it's all due to the influence of the left as it becomes the popular culture as well as the lack of discipline that forces people to mature. We have the ideology of the unproductive, crybaby malcontents molding minds, spreading its degeneracy, with subversive Marxist propaganda that turns the American story of success in to a lesson of injustice. Sick, sick, sick. The left doesn't realize how sick they are. It is because all the subversive Marxist propaganda like political correctness, social and economic justice , and environmentalism designed to appeal to their noble caring, compassionate nature making them feel arrogantly better, finer, more caring and noble about themselves while instilling hatred for conservatives and their values. The whole thing is blatantly dishonest and based on lies. Most of them know it and just don't care because they believe they are fulfilling a higher purpose. But I ask you "what good can come to be in a leftist utopia conceived in lies ???"
Yes, it's all due to the influence of the left as ... (show quote)


Steve: Great post...Pure honesty is extremely painful to good people who have erred...its the Godless ones that have no soul that must be marginalize...Nov 4th was a start!

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Nov 9, 2014 10:37:23   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Are you a member of the morality police? Morality is subjective. What is immoral to me may be fine for you. If you really want to discuss morality, I suggest we start with corporate morality. I find it interesting that when a corporation goes bankrupt, the senior officers get big bonuses, while the working stiffs lose their pensions. Big business uses their power to pass right to work laws,depriving labor from having any power. There are many more examples.



Yes, it is apparent that you believe there is no morality that all is moral relativism. that is exactly the point that I made on Cultural relativism above. Thank you for pointing out exactly what moral and cultural relativism is so succinctly.

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Nov 9, 2014 10:41:09   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yeah, yeah, it's all the "lefts" fault. They told people what they wanted to hear for years and years - and screwed things up. In between a few "leftist" Presidents, there have been some "rightist" Presidents - who told people what they wanted to hear - and screwed things up.

Since 1980, there have been 3 Republican Presidents and 2 Democratic Presidents and the Congress has been back and forth numerous times. During all this time, the "left" has wielded awesome power and simply overwhelmed the "right" - or so you would have us believe. The fact is, none of them were either "left" OR "right", they were just " me and mine", regardless of where that fell on the philosophical spectrum.

The entire country must take responsibility for the decline in our values, not just a particular segment. This propensity to place blame for failures, is EXACTLY the reason why things have degraded this far. No one wants to accept personal responsibility for THEIR part in these things, they'd prefer to blame someone else. This lack of personal accountability and reluctance to accept personal responsibility, is why we continue to decline.
Yeah, yeah, it's all the "lefts" fault. ... (show quote)


ipnmajor: Don't lose sight of the forest because of the trees!
This atrophy of the Free-Market Republic is brought own by a marxist/socialist ideology (they only deserve lower case). There mantra is to destroy the greatest society every conceived and brought to lite...that the world has ever seen.
It is all by design!!!! Until we return to Faith and Steadfast Principle, we will eventually burn the evil out and rebuild. History will prove us right!

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Nov 9, 2014 10:41:43   #
bahmer
 
AuntiE wrote:
First, welcome to the site and the Prayer Team.

Second, hopefully my thoughts on this matter will not offend you.

Parents abrogated their responsibilities. They have been so busy being their child's friend as opposed to being their parent, teacher and moral role model the government and PC crowd have taken over their role. The government and PC police could not take what was not allowed to be taken by the abrogation of the people responsible for setting the standards for their off spring.
First, welcome to the site and the Prayer Team. b... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Nov 9, 2014 12:17:57   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
lindajoy wrote:
...I'm curious, what do you believe in, other than yourself, of course, as the standard reply to this question...Not being sarcastic, interested i am...


You hit the nail on the head...he believes in SELF which has no room in true Christianity.

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Nov 9, 2014 12:20:16   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Are you a member of the morality police? Morality is subjective. What is immoral to me may be fine for you...


Morality is NOT subjective. Just because something may be moral to you does NOT mean it is moral.

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Nov 9, 2014 12:21:22   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Morality is NOT subjective. Just because something may be moral to you does NOT mean it is moral.


right on target :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 9, 2014 12:23:52   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
tmcsea1 wrote:
Thank you for sharing that link. I live I fort Lauderdale and I, as many others, were appalled when we heard about the arrest of this generous, compassionate and selfless 90 year old man. This is horrific to arrest a 90 year old man for feeding the less fortunate. Just another example of the decline of American morals.


I see it more as a growing Police State.

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Nov 9, 2014 12:24:18   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
tmcsea1 wrote:
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we Americans display by allowing our great country to become morally bankrupt. I worry about the future of our younger generation and how we sat back and allowed it to happen. My fellow Americans it's so vital that we join together and protect the future of our youth. I truly believe the most important issue we must start with is our freedom of religion. We have sat back and allowed our president and politicians to show blatant disrespect to our creator, God. We have allowed evil to take over. Remember the days of Leave it to Beaver? Remember when family values were so important? Remember the pride we felt each day in school while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance? How could we allow prayer to be taken out of our military? Did we worry about school shootings? NO, we did not. We allowed God to be taken out of the schools and look what has happened. I beg each and every one of you to set time aside to seriously consider these matters. It's time to take our country back and rebuild our moral structure. Our youth are constantly exposed to sex, violence, suicide, drugs and disrespect to authority. Thank you and God bless.
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we America... (show quote)


all history books in public schools need to be removed along with the publishers who printed these tainted lies and replaced with real history the way it actually happened...like the history books we had. The left wants to 'indoctrinate' and they must be stopped...by whatever means this will take. TV commercials that promote sex need to be put on late night TV. People in power of these entities who refuse to do so...need a spanking (being nice here).

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Nov 9, 2014 12:29:34   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
tmcsea1 wrote:
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we Americans display by allowing our great country to become morally bankrupt. I worry about the future of our younger generation and how we sat back and allowed it to happen. My fellow Americans it's so vital that we join together and protect the future of our youth. I truly believe the most important issue we must start with is our freedom of religion. We have sat back and allowed our president and politicians to show blatant disrespect to our creator, God. We have allowed evil to take over. Remember the days of Leave it to Beaver? Remember when family values were so important? Remember the pride we felt each day in school while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance? How could we allow prayer to be taken out of our military? Did we worry about school shootings? NO, we did not. We allowed God to be taken out of the schools and look what has happened. I beg each and every one of you to set time aside to seriously consider these matters. It's time to take our country back and rebuild our moral structure. Our youth are constantly exposed to sex, violence, suicide, drugs and disrespect to authority. Thank you and God bless.
I am deeply saddened by the complacency we America... (show quote)




Your are not alone in your concern and we have not lost our country. The majority of Americans feel as you do. Do not be fooled by the minority piss ants here of OPP or CNN or NBC. We have always been confronted by these constitution killers. America just ain't that easy to kill...

Over the past 5 or so decades we became complacent as people do. That's how we lost our children to the subversive education system you allude to. Tuesday was a sign that we are coming out of our lethargy, our apathetic torpor. Now we have to do something. But what? Hand wringing won't get us there. What can the common man do to fight this parasitic element that besets us?

For openers we can tell the people we hire (elect) to run this country for us what WE THE PEOPLE want. How? You might be surprised at the effect and power of millions of emails and phone calls...What do you expect would be the reaction to 100 million communications saying we don't want God taken out of our system, just as an example?

Votes do count. But we have to tell them when we are pissed off, about what, and what they have to do to get our votes...and Hope and Change ain't it, nor is running from evil when it raises it's head... stay concerned and stay mad... :P

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Nov 9, 2014 12:46:08   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Morality is NOT subjective. Just because something may be moral to you does NOT mean it is moral.


4 million fighting men and women are told to kill the enemy....and yet the ten commandments declare:

Thou shalt not kill.

I'm confused...or yes...morality is subjective and clearly isn't objective. You're an idiot.

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Nov 9, 2014 12:59:18   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Idsutten, What Marxists are you talking about? I haven't seen any Marxists around since the late 60s. If you are talking about the liberal/progressive movement, they are not Marxists.
ldsuttonjr wrote:
ipnmajor: Don't lose sight of the forest because of the trees!
This atrophy of the Free-Market Republic is brought own by a marxist/socialist ideology (they only deserve lower case). There mantra is to destroy the greatest society every conceived and brought to lite...that the world has ever seen.
It is all by design!!!! Until we return to Faith and Steadfast Principle, we will eventually burn the evil out and rebuild. History will prove us right!

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