Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

It is difficult to evaluate when one party see's larger more obtrusive gov as negative and the other see's it as ensuring health care for all.

Has he extracted our forces from 2 different conflicts yes and very probably saving many young American life's. But at what cost, we have not met our primary objectives of a safer world or democracy in those nations.

As well as done a pretty god job of alienating most of our allies for a whole host of reasons. I do not blame him here he lacked experience and it shows.

But I do blame him for the NSA spying, yes we all were banging the drums back when Bush was president but it was wrong then and it is wrong now. You can not give up freedom for security ever !

As for women's and minority rights he has fewer woman or minorities in his adminstration than any other resent president. This is neither bad or good assuming he picked the most qualified person for the job or the most qualified he could get congresses approval on.

As for the economy if it weren't for the fed printing money hand over fist it would be completely in the toilet. But by holding up the stock market in this way can and will eventually catch up with us.

So depending on how you think our country should look he is either a hero or a villain.

My question is this can we as a nation hold our heads high in the believe that we have lived up to our founding fathers ideals?

I think they might be a bit concerned

dville Loc: Albuquerque

Ah! Yes! The President did not honor Lincoln that day. About honoring his duty.

When Florida had that bad hurricane a few years back Pres. Bush got right on it to help his brother Jeb. But when Katrina landed in New Orleans he put 'brownie' on it and he went to California to play golf. And we sure know how 'brownie' screwed up.

So Pres. Obama didn't honor Pres. Lincoln that day but there was no loss of life involved. Convenient Amnesia.

dville Loc: Albuquerque

As for wo

First 'freedom' and 'security' go hand in hand.

I was not responding to the few dozen women qualified for certain positions. My issue was women's general working conditions and their health rights legislated for the most part by men.

Hero or villain depends which side of the aisle one favors.

I doubt strongly that the founding fathers would threaten the livelihood of the middle class who physically worked to build our country.

The stock market is breaking records, however, there will be another crash...but when? And I don't want our Soc. Sec. on Wall St. for the crash......

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

You never ever trade freedom for security ever !!!

faithistheword

Gee, that sounds like Hillary--"What difference does it make?!" Of course it's important! He's still occupying our White House illegally----THAT'S IMPORTANT!! He IS a bad president, and we want rid of him! And all his commie partners-in-crime!

dville Loc: Albuquerque

You need security to protect freedom.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

That's a rather boneheaded excuse for it.

Benjamin Franklin said it best along these lines of: "Those who sacrifice liberty for a bit of security will have no neither."

I rather take my own security into my own hands and not by the damn government.

Reaganite Loc: Missouri

Sorry, but I'm very passionate about things things that piss me off, which includes everything LIBERAL!!!

Reaganite Loc: Missouri

Good point.

lone_ghost Loc: Wisconsin

It seems that there is a level head in this room after all.

dville Loc: Albuquerque

I will bet that not one of you pathetic individuals that will embrace the likes of Reagan and Bush could tell me any of the accomplishments of Pres. Obama. Why? Because you are not interested in the truth....you are interested only in finding negatives when you disagree. When your opinions come from belief's not fact. In fact if a fact reaches you and you don't like it you will twist the facts to better align it with your unfounded notions.