rumitoid

This is a good debate that has been going on for almost 2 millennia. Great confusion to the present day. Nothing this space allows. I will pm certain links that may be helpful, if you like. The short answer: Jesus said, "Obey these commandments I give you." Jesus is the author and incorporates all the law. Rest is being "hidden in Christ" 24/7.

Justcel

well you have that weenie thing right

Justcel

well I think like that show I watch lader oh forgot hes name :) on HBO like he says republicans live under a bubble they don't see the real picture on what's really happening in the word let say one thing if we take care of the gas in the usa we all be back to work :) you would see every one going out spending money if if they put the gas down they have that like a stock in the mark it one week is 250 n then in one week its 275 what gives there ?

Ve'hoe

NOt sure I understand what you said...

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

MPLAMAN - You have been pumped full of evil sand! Does Jesus support abortion, fudge packers, pop culture, fornication - I can go on & on. It is the above practices that keep Demos in power!

rumitoid

Perhaps if you said yeast, rather than sand, your points could be adrressed. We are judged by one standard for eternal reward or punishment: how we treat "the least of these." Do you understand the implications?

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

rumitoid

ABBAS, if this is basic to your beliefs, you are not as totally off-the-wall as you post.

bahmer

Very good I am amazed at your learning. For a closet African American it truly is amazing did you learn this at your masters feet? Just kidding most Christians don't know the origins of the Holidays in the Christian church and I have always ascribed to going back to the Lords feasts that He himself set up and negating the man made festivals. Not to bad for white bread is it?

Ve'hoe

I don't think the early Christians kept the commandments even when Jesus was among them,,,nor did the Jews when god went before them in a pillar of fire... I think that was the problem,,, they were willing but weak of mind and spirit

rumitoid

I agree, but that is not what is being discussed between banjojack and I. If you are well-versed in the Bible, then by all means join in. If not, join in a discussion between two quantum physicist and debate their findings. This is not an unlikely analogy. A perusal, even a few years of study, does not necessarily exclude any input but its weight needs greater scrutiny.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You may be wrong.

Luke 4:16 "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom."

"Jesus explains His view of the law very quickly after giving the beatitudes: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).

"Jesus, by explaining, expanding and exemplifying God's law, fulfilled a prophecy of the Messiah found in Isaiah 42:21: "The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will exalt the law, and make it honorable." The Hebrew word gadal, translated "exalt" or "magnify" (KJV) literally means "to be or become great" (William Wilson, Wilson's Old Testament Word Studies, "Magnify".

"The third statement of Jesus pronounces that our fate rests on our attitude toward and treatment of God's holy law. "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least [by those] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19). The "by those" is added for clarification, since, as explained in other passages, those who persist in lawbreaking and teach others to break God's law will not themselves be in the Kingdom at all."

I am not a bible scholar, but the above stands out in my mind as a couple examples. Again, I may be wrong and you may know more than I.

Regarding the Pilar of Fire, that was during the Exodus from Egypt and before the laws were given to Moses.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

If you are having a private dialogue, should you not do it in PMs? Everyone has a right to their opinion, and naturally you have a right not to read their opinions. Certainly, I do not believe that anyone has a right to be rude to someone who merely wants to share in the discussion.

rumitoid

ginnyt, unsure what point you are trying to make tho I feel certain it is of substance. What is crucial here is the before and after pictures on the Old and New Covenant. This may help.

You quote: 'Jesus explains His view of the law very quickly after giving the beatitudes: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).
What was meant? The Jews had fallen short of fulfilling the Covenant. Just like any legal agreement, God could have "abolished" this agreement. Instead, Jesus took up that contract and fulfilled it, tho he had every right to disown the "choosen people." So he gave them a New Covenant that could be followed, if they had the eyes to see and ears to hear.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

My religion is different than yours and due to that difference I have studied the New Testament in great detail. Jesus did not abolish the commandments, indeed he added to them by 126 rules. When he spoke of the covenant between the Jew and God, he was aiming most of his barbs at the Pharisees with whom he was at odds.

I would like for you to provide the book and verse for your belief that the covenant was abolished and also where he "did away" with the commandments. In fact, if I remember correctly, he in fact built on the commandments given to Moses and the Jewish people. After all, he did not do away with the moral laws and that is the basis of his teachings?

From your reply, I suppose you also belive in the Trinity and Jesus was God. Correct, as if I had a doubt that you would hold your tongue, if I am wrong.