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Oct 18, 2014 23:47:48   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
CDM wrote:
Nick; I hope you wear a tinfoil hat at all times...

I got news for you Nicki; there was no conspiracy. It was done right under our noses...it's called the the Federal Reserve Bank...And Democrats had a lot to do with it.

I can, based on history, only believe that we are seeing the results of dominate, Democrat control for 8 decades.


INFLATION is America's biggest enemy at home and abroad. Simply turn off the bubble machine. Pass Senator Rand Paul's two bills: "Audit the Feds" and "Abolish the Feds."

Two thirds of the state governors have agreed to the 2016 Convention of States to advance an amendment to the US Constitution to Balance the Budget. If ratified by 3/4 of the states, it will cripple the Democrat Party.

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Oct 19, 2014 06:56:22   #
MarvinSussman
 
Rational people measure wealth with money. The safest money is the USD. The safest way to keep USD is in US treasuries, which lose only a little of its value annually.

National governments don't keep a lot of cash. The owners of US treasuries are mostly wealthy private citizens. About half are US citizens. Unless they stole the money, they earned or inherited it according to the rules of our economy. If you know of any crime, call 911.

Most of the other owners of US treasuries are Asian exporters. If they had a better investment for their dollars, it would be there but it’s not. The poor saps!

During the 1960s to 1980s, the Japanese sent us millions of good cars, hard assets. We sent them dollars which are slowly rotting away. The poor saps!

You beat them. You got something for nothing. Stop worrying.

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Oct 19, 2014 08:05:02   #
MarvinSussman
 
J Anthony wrote:
Here, I'll try to make it easy....a relevant topic that concerns everyone,regardless of ideology: a good-paying job for all who are willing and able. There's plenty that needs to be done, plenty of funding and resources, and plenty who need the work. But we just can't seem to get it together. Discuss....
See, it's not that hard


ELR: Employer of Last Resort. The federal government, with its printer, would hire any adult willing and able to work at $10 per hour for a forty-hour week with full benefits: health insurance , paid vacation, paid maternity leave, etc. The old, ill, and disabled are treated with other programs.

These ELR workers are then available for work at no cost for any federal, state, or local government office or for any qualified NGO: Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc. Any necessary training would be financed by the federal government.

This would establish a national minimum wage and put an end to unemployment, poverty, and all relief programs for the able-bodied: food stamps, housing, etc.

Public schools and preschools would get all the help they need from the ELR ranks. Pot-holes would be filled by ELR workers as they occurred. Streets would be clean. Broken windows would be fixed. Crime rates would drop.

With training, 60,000 bridges and 50,000 dams and a million miles of roads in need of repair would get fixed.

Stores would have shoppers instead of idle cashiers. Factories would hire and hum. The ELR workers would find jobs at $11 per hour and the ELR ranks would thin out. Tax revenue would jump. The deficit would decline.

Prosperity would reign. Wall Street would love it.

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Oct 19, 2014 09:07:17   #
VladimirPee
 
When Toyota ships a car to the Toyota USA subsidiary and the vehicle goes into a show room and is sold the financing is private and has nothing to do with US Treasuries. You are such a simpleton.


MarvinSussman wrote:
Rational people measure wealth with money. The safest money is the USD. The safest way to keep USD is in US treasuries, which lose only a little of its value annually.

National governments don't keep a lot of cash. The owners of US treasuries are mostly wealthy private citizens. About half are US citizens. Unless they stole the money, they earned or inherited it according to the rules of our economy. If you know of any crime, call 911.

Most of the other owners of US treasuries are Asian exporters. If they had a better investment for their dollars, it would be there but it’s not. The poor saps!

During the 1960s to 1980s, the Japanese sent us millions of good cars, hard assets. We sent them dollars which are slowly rotting away. The poor saps!

You beat them. You got something for nothing. Stop worrying.
Rational people measure wealth with money. The saf... (show quote)

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Oct 19, 2014 10:13:38   #
Artemis
 
CDM wrote:
Art; First, to be clear, my point is not that Democrats alone unleashed the banks on the people. It's that the Democrats have been as complicit in manipulation of the system as Republicans...all for political and personal gain. There are no clean turds in this political pond.

If you want to study abusive lending policy look at what happens to $75 billion/month that goes into the system and...never comes out...so to speak.

The abuse of the entire money system today is criminal to extents beyond imagination. It's internationally influenced. And it has all been legislated by those we elect to prevent such abuse. It's legal.

The Mafia is the JV team by comparison.

The start to cleaning it all up is to vaporize (figuratively of course) the Central Bank...
Art; First, to be clear, my point is not that Demo... (show quote)



Agreed CDM, I wasn't putting anymore blame from one party to the other. The banks in their greed, began a unethical yet profitable practice, and as each one got away with it others followed in sync. This was something they created at their own hand, ergo and they should have been accountable for it's recovery. Their willingness to make changes in their contracts (mortgages) as more and more people began to fail by increased payments. I didn't happen, what I saw was an unwillingness to give anything up, and instead look for a government bail out.

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Oct 19, 2014 10:16:26   #
VladimirPee
 
People took mortgages they could not afford. Then claimed they were taken advantage of by banks and looked to slither out of their bad debt.


Artemis wrote:
Agreed CDM, I wasn't putting anymore blame from one party to the other. The banks in their greed, began a unethical yet profitable practice, and as each one got away with it others followed in sync. This was something they created at their own hand, ergo and they should have been accountable for it's recovery. Their willingness to make changes in their contracts (mortgages) as more and more people began to fail by increased payments. I didn't happen, what I saw was an unwillingness to give anything up, and instead look for a government bail out.
Agreed CDM, I wasn't putting anymore blame from on... (show quote)

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Oct 19, 2014 15:21:45   #
MarvinSussman
 
DennisDee wrote:
When Toyota ships a car to the Toyota USA subsidiary and the vehicle goes into a show room and is sold the financing is private and has nothing to do with US Treasuries. You are such a simpleton.

If the exporter has extra dollars they go into treasuries. That's why Japan has so much treasuries. This is a profit system, right? Did I miss something?

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Oct 19, 2014 16:21:29   #
VladimirPee
 
Marvin you are an uneducated person. Get lost



MarvinSussman wrote:
If the exporter has extra dollars they go into treasuries. That's why Japan has so much treasuries. This is a profit system, right? Did I miss something?

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Oct 19, 2014 16:26:09   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
There is hardly any difference between RINOs and Democrats. The current Republicans are idiots voted in by a nation of idiots.

Since WW II, there has never been more than a dozen or so progressives in Congress. Give Senator Warren a chance to lead this nation in a different direction.

She is almost as bad as Hillary---you would have to be totally misinformed to vote for either of them!!!

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Oct 19, 2014 16:36:20   #
MarvinSussman
 
DennisDee wrote:
Marvin you are an uneducated person. Get lost

The conservative philosophy of government was best stated by President Coolidge: “The chief business of the American people is business.” He was wrong. The chief business of the American people is exactly that which appears in the preamble to our Constitution: “to... promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”

Yes, there was a time when “Welfare” was not a dirty word. Times change, but the Founding Liberals can’t change with them. They wrote what they wrote and their most important word is “Posterity”. They understood why we are here on Earth: the motivating force of life is survival of the species. A nation without a thriving young generation faces its doom. Care of the young is the highest priority of every animal on earth - except the conservative. Mother Nature is a liberal!

The idea that liberals want equality of wealth is a self-induced hallucination. Liberals want a true equality of opportunity for all children, regardless of parentage. To thrive, our entire youngest generation, from prenatal through university, must get all the health care, food, shelter, and play they need and as much free education as they can absorb.

When 99% of all scientific discoveries are made by 1% of all scientists, providing excellent care only for children of the rich will not produce enough brilliant leaders in technology, industry, and government. If you want all the cream, you have to milk all the cows. A level playing field and equal opportunity from the moment of conception are the liberal’s core beliefs.

Support for children by local taxes inevitably result in deprived areas. To be equitably distributed, care of the young must be financed by progressive federal spending. Commensurate with their means, all Americans must share the load. Fairness and cooperation are the liberal’s core beliefs.

Conservatives hold the opposite view. They believe children should be rewarded or punished depending on how well or how poorly they choose their parents. They want the care of the young to be financed by local taxes so that quality of education is doled out according to class and so that fundamentalist school boards can teach creationism instead of science.

Instead of taxing wealthy estates, consisting mostly of never-taxed capital gains and municipal bond interest, they would endow the least productive segment of society: children of the rich. Since Congress can be bought, wealth is power and inherited wealth is inherited power – aristocracy - the exact opposite of democracy, the exact opposite of meritocracy, the survival and triumph of the incompetent. This is dishonesty and corruption. Conservatism is a crime against Nature!

The human race progressed because evolution gave us the instinct for community: the solidarity of the clan, the tribe, and the nation that other primates could not attain. We became civilized because we took care of each other through fire and flood Conservatives want to destroy that solidarity. Now they want to destroy FEMA! Come hell or high water, you’re on your own!

Conservatives believe the tax burden should be shifted from the rich to the middle class, from capital to labor. They would create a polarized generation: a small aristocracy and a large underclass - a lost generation. This is a complete betrayal of the Founding Liberals.

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Oct 19, 2014 20:36:19   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
The conservative philosophy of government was best stated by President Coolidge: “The chief business of the American people is business.” He was wrong. The chief business of the American people is exactly that which appears in the preamble to our Constitution: “to... promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”

Yes, there was a time when “Welfare” was not a dirty word. Times change, but the Founding Liberals can’t change with them. They wrote what they wrote and their most important word is “Posterity”. They understood why we are here on Earth: the motivating force of life is survival of the species. A nation without a thriving young generation faces its doom. Care of the young is the highest priority of every animal on earth - except the conservative. Mother Nature is a liberal!

The idea that liberals want equality of wealth is a self-induced hallucination. Liberals want a true equality of opportunity for all children, regardless of parentage. To thrive, our entire youngest generation, from prenatal through university, must get all the health care, food, shelter, and play they need and as much free education as they can absorb.

When 99% of all scientific discoveries are made by 1% of all scientists, providing excellent care only for children of the rich will not produce enough brilliant leaders in technology, industry, and government. If you want all the cream, you have to milk all the cows. A level playing field and equal opportunity from the moment of conception are the liberal’s core beliefs.

Support for children by local taxes inevitably result in deprived areas. To be equitably distributed, care of the young must be financed by progressive federal spending. Commensurate with their means, all Americans must share the load. Fairness and cooperation are the liberal’s core beliefs.

Conservatives hold the opposite view. They believe children should be rewarded or punished depending on how well or how poorly they choose their parents. They want the care of the young to be financed by local taxes so that quality of education is doled out according to class and so that fundamentalist school boards can teach creationism instead of science.

Instead of taxing wealthy estates, consisting mostly of never-taxed capital gains and municipal bond interest, they would endow the least productive segment of society: children of the rich. Since Congress can be bought, wealth is power and inherited wealth is inherited power – aristocracy - the exact opposite of democracy, the exact opposite of meritocracy, the survival and triumph of the incompetent. This is dishonesty and corruption. Conservatism is a crime against Nature!

The human race progressed because evolution gave us the instinct for community: the solidarity of the clan, the tribe, and the nation that other primates could not attain. We became civilized because we took care of each other through fire and flood Conservatives want to destroy that solidarity. Now they want to destroy FEMA! Come hell or high water, you’re on your own!

Conservatives believe the tax burden should be shifted from the rich to the middle class, from capital to labor. They would create a polarized generation: a small aristocracy and a large underclass - a lost generation. This is a complete betrayal of the Founding Liberals.
The conservative philosophy of government was best... (show quote)



Quote - MarvinSussman;

Excerpt;

"Conservatives hold the opposite view. They believe children should be rewarded or punished depending on how well or how poorly they choose their parents. They want the care of the young to be financed by local taxes so that quality of education is doled out according to class and so that fundamentalist school boards can teach creationism instead of science."

This is without a doubt the most putrid and vile hate mongering I have seen in my time on OPP. If this hatred for the American people indeed permeates our general thinking we are doomed as a nation and have certainly become something less than a civil society.

Is this the face of the Democrat party, of Progressivism in the United States? If so, then horrible internal conflict is inevitable. And we say the Muslims have not come out of the 7th century?

I truly don't know how to wash this filth away...

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Oct 19, 2014 23:13:28   #
MarvinSussman
 
CDM wrote:
Quote - MarvinSussman;

Excerpt;

"Conservatives hold the opposite view. They believe children should be rewarded or punished depending on how well or how poorly they choose their parents. They want the care of the young to be financed by local taxes so that quality of education is doled out according to class and so that fundamentalist school boards can teach creationism instead of science."

This is without a doubt the most putrid and vile hate mongering I have seen in my time on OPP. If this hatred for the American people indeed permeates our general thinking we are doomed as a nation and have certainly become something less than a civil society.

Is this the face of the Democrat party, of Progressivism in the United States? If so, then horrible internal conflict is inevitable. And we say the Muslims have not come out of the 7th century?

I truly don't know how to wash this filth away...
Quote - MarvinSussman; br br Excerpt; br br &q... (show quote)


Am I wrong? Do conservatives believe, as I do, that schools should be financed entirely by the federal government? This is beyond belief. Most conservatives want to get rid of all federal interference with education.

Or do they believe that local property taxes should do most of the financing? That is my understanding and is certainly the current status of education. Please elucidate.

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Oct 19, 2014 23:58:31   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Am I wrong? Do conservatives believe, as I do, that schools should be financed entirely by the federal government? This is beyond belief. Most conservatives want to get rid of all federal interference with education.

Or do they believe that local property taxes should do most of the financing? That is my understanding and is certainly the current status of education. Please elucidate.



Elucidate what? There is no way that I can say anything to you that will not be processed into a malignancy that conveniently fits into your rationalization of the perfect world; a world people such as myself and millions of others do not belong in.

I cannot elucidate, whatever that means in this context; I do not know how to debate a Nazi. I really, truly don't.

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Oct 20, 2014 07:37:58   #
MarvinSussman
 
CDM wrote:
Elucidate what? There is no way that I can say anything to you that will not be processed into a malignancy that conveniently fits into your rationalization of the perfect world; a world people such as myself and millions of others do not belong in.

I cannot elucidate, whatever that means in this context; I do not know how to debate a Nazi. I really, truly don't.


Another right-wing blowhard bites the dust.
Set 'em up in another alley.

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Oct 20, 2014 08:17:26   #
saloopo Loc: Colorado
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
If the exporter has extra dollars they go into treasuries. That's why Japan has so much treasuries. This is a profit system, right? Did I miss something?



You said, "The safest way to keep USD is in US treasuries, which lose only a little of its value annually." Is that your definition of a profit? Yes, youre missing something.

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