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Oct 18, 2014 14:07:46   #
VladimirPee
 
Public Debt is private wealth? Tell that to the Chinese Government who owns 2 trillion of our Private Wealth

Marvin I am convinced that you are a brainwashed fool who never knows what he is talking about

MarvinSussman wrote:
Treasury debt is private wealth. When prosperity makes people wealthy they put money into corporate bonds, CDs, and treasuries. The total amount in treasuries is the debt. The more private wealth, the more public debt.

The economy thrived in 1944. Consumer demand remained high for 35 years after all that spending.

Public debt = private wealth, to the penny. Public debt is good, good!!

Public debt = private wealth, to the penny. Public debt is good, good!!

Public debt = private wealth, to the penny. Public debt is good, good!!

Public debt = private wealth, to the penny. Public debt is good, good!!

Public debt = private wealth, to the penny. Public debt is good, good!!

Public debt = private wealth, to the penny. Public debt is good, good!!
Treasury debt is private wealth. When prosperity m... (show quote)

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Oct 18, 2014 15:57:22   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
J Anthony wrote:
Those aren't points, that's just your context! Your facts aren't the issue, it's the context! So if evil progressives have been more responsible for what's gone on in the last century, that includes the good with the bad. So i guess this is where you try and convince us that only the right are responsible for all the good? That's where it sounds like you're going with this. Please tell me i'm wrong. I'm not disputing your facts. I'm disputing your pointlless cause to blamme everything on progressives. Where's that conservative accountability?
Those aren't points, that's just your context! You... (show quote)




Your wrong; you haven't been right yet. And when exactly did context become unimportant or illegitimate in argument and debate? Other than when it is antithetical to those who violently disagree but have no counterpoint?

You said 'evil progressives' not me. I said Democrats.

You cannot argue a position, you can only cry about how unfair the context is. Your crying because I have pointed out something factual that might cause people who have any doubts about how they think...to do exactly that...think...

You sound like Barack Hussein Obama...

I have said nothing about the right being innocent or without culpability. Nothing. Nor would I be so shallow as to suggest it. I've simply pointed out they have not had as much time as the other guys. Therefore by logical deduction the other guys must be majority responsible for where we are.

I have said that this majority has consistently blamed someones else for the failures of the system they were in majority control of. That's what I've said.

Hence the Democrat Dream question...Maybe if the majority had not spent so much time blaming the minority it would be a lesser question...

If this causes people to think...well, that's the point. If that's offensive because it might influence thinking that is contrary to a specific ideology and that ideology can't defend it's position except with tears, even better...

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Oct 18, 2014 17:04:57   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
CDM wrote:
Your wrong; you haven't been right yet. And when exactly did context become unimportant or illegitimate in argument and debate? Other than when it is antithetical to those who violently disagree but have no counterpoint?

You said 'evil progressives' not me. I said Democrats.

You cannot argue a position, you can only cry about how unfair the context is. Your crying because I have pointed out something factual that might cause people who have any doubts about how they think...to do exactly that...think...

You sound like Barack Hussein Obama...

I have said nothing about the right being innocent or without culpability. Nothing. Nor would I be so shallow as to suggest it. I've simply pointed out they have not had as much time as the other guys. Therefore by logical deduction the other guys must be majority responsible for where we are.

I have said that this majority has consistently blamed someones else for the failures of the system they were in majority control of. That's what I've said.

Hence the Democrat Dream question...Maybe if the majority had not spent so much time blaming the minority it would be a lesser question...

If this causes people to think...well, that's the point. If that's offensive because it might influence thinking that is contrary to a specific ideology and that ideology can't defend it's position except with tears, even better...
Your wrong; you haven't been right yet. And when ... (show quote)


Oh dear, i guess i owe you an apology...you're only trying to educate us and make an oh so relevant point that ....what? That one ideology is better than the other? That's kind of relative, isn't it? I will continue to stress my own point that there's enough blame to go around, SO LET'S MOVE ON. Why is that aa problem? What are your ideas for solutions? That's what matters now. I am capable of debating you on any topic under the sun. But this is not real debate. With all due respect, this thread of yours is smug, partisan crap.

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Oct 18, 2014 17:07:41   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
J Anthony wrote:
Oh dear, i guess i owe you an apology...you're only trying to educate us and make an oh so relevant point that ....what? That one ideology is better than the other? That's kind of relative, isn't it? I will continue to stress my own point that there's enough blame to go around, SO LET'S MOVE ON. Why is that aa problem? What are your ideas for solutions? That's what matters now. I am capable of debating you on any topic under the sun. But this is not real debate. With all due respect, this thread of yours is smug, partisan crap.
Oh dear, i guess i owe you an apology...you're onl... (show quote)

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Oct 18, 2014 17:20:19   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
J Anthony wrote:
Oh dear, i guess i owe you an apology...you're only trying to educate us and make an oh so relevant point that ....what? That one ideology is better than the other? That's kind of relative, isn't it? I will continue to stress my own point that there's enough blame to go around, SO LET'S MOVE ON. Why is that aa problem? What are your ideas for solutions? That's what matters now. I am capable of debating you on any topic under the sun. But this is not real debate. With all due respect, this thread of yours is smug, partisan crap.
Oh dear, i guess i owe you an apology...you're onl... (show quote)


Here, I'll try to make it easy....a relevant topic that concerns everyone,regardless of ideology: a good-paying job for all who are willing and able. There's plenty that needs to be done, plenty of funding and resources, and plenty who need the work. But we just can't seem to get it together. Discuss....
See, it's not that hard

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Oct 18, 2014 17:31:44   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
DennisDee wrote:
Public Debt is private wealth? Tell that to the Chinese Government who owns 2 trillion of our Private Wealth

Marvin I am convinced that you are a brainwashed fool who never knows what he is talking about

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Oct 18, 2014 17:33:37   #
VladimirPee
 
1st step. Secure the Borders and encourage Americans to buy American Made products.


J Anthony wrote:
Here, I'll try to make it easy....a relevant topic that concerns everyone,regardless of ideology: a good-paying job for all who are willing and able. There's plenty that needs to be done, plenty of funding and resources, and plenty who need the work. But we just can't seem to get it together. Discuss....
See, it's not that hard

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Oct 18, 2014 17:43:00   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
DennisDee wrote:
Public Debt is private wealth? Tell that to the Chinese Government who owns 2 trillion of our Private Wealth

Marvin I am convinced that you are a brainwashed fool who never knows what he is talking about


What you don't understand is that our money-supply is created as a debt to private-bankers...the owners of that debt are the multi-national banking institutions that own the Federal Reserve, and their investors. One of the largest investors are the Chinese government. That's what Marvin means...the public debt of our government is an asset for the private bankers that own and control the issuing of our currency. I know it's a hard truth to swallow, but that's how it works. Unfortunately no one in our government has had the nerve to talk about how our monetary-system actually works, they carry on as if the national debt is legitimate and can somehow be paid down. It can't be, nor was it meant to be. It was designed for the purpose of control, that's it. And it's worked.

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Oct 18, 2014 17:46:37   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
I agree 100%. We can better secure our borders if we wanted to. Until we cleanup our own backyard we are incapable of supporting an endless flood of new-comers. Let's do it. We need to put pressure on all officials from across the aisles to stem the tide, consolidated public pressure is very effective when it's authentic...

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Oct 18, 2014 18:16:04   #
VladimirPee
 
When the US Treasury sells Government securities at auction the money is owed by the Government to the owner which in many cases is a foreign government. This does not preclude the Fed from buying and selling US Treasuries after the fact. But the initial sale is done by Treasury Auction without the Fed


J Anthony wrote:
What you don't understand is that our money-supply is created as a debt to private-bankers...the owners of that debt are the multi-national banking institutions that own the Federal Reserve, and their investors. One of the largest investors are the Chinese government. That's what Marvin means...the public debt of our government is an asset for the private bankers that own and control the issuing of our currency. I know it's a hard truth to swallow, but that's how it works. Unfortunately no one in our government has had the nerve to talk about how our monetary-system actually works, they carry on as if the national debt is legitimate and can somehow be paid down. It can't be, nor was it meant to be. It was designed for the purpose of control, that's it. And it's worked.
What you don't understand is that our money-supply... (show quote)

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Oct 18, 2014 19:25:53   #
Ricktloml
 
Pulfnick wrote:
The use of ideological terms can be confusing, as it's hard to say any person is exactly or strictly of one persuasion. Progressives, like communists, are clearly in favor of tyrannical control of us poor, ignorant masses who can't make appropriate decisions on our own. I would say the broader term 'socialist' is probably the most inclusive. But under Obama, fascist is by far a better label for their brand of socialism.

The thing that clearly begins to separate progressives from communists and run of the mill socialists is that they favor governmental control of businesses, while leaving ownership in private hands. This is fascism. That's why they so enthusiastically embrace Obamacare (government control of 1/6 of our national economy), use of the EPA to stifel and/or regulate businesses out of existence, use of BLM to remove property rights, and on and on. They rely heavily on inflaming hatred of groups of people for political reasons. While Hitler got people hating Jews, Obama has gotten blacks hating whites, "poor" people hating people who have more, Hispanics hating people who think we are a sovereign nation, and on and on.
The use of ideological terms can be confusing, as ... (show quote)


The left loves to corrupt the language, fascism, socialism, communism, liberalism, and progressivism, are ALL sister ideologies whose roots are collectivism and totalitarianism. And their goals are also the same, only the minor details are different

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Oct 18, 2014 19:29:31   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
CDM wrote:
Today it is clear that the Republican party, the Tea Party and the Koch Brothers have sunk the country. One can confirm this on any number of threads on this and other sites. Republican's have clearly corrupted the system over the past 50 to 60 years if one accepts the evidence provided by Democrats ad nauseam. The Democrats didn't stand a chance, is the claim, in the face of such viciousness. Just nothing they could do to stop it.

So I am in the hope that maybe some of the Democrats or progressives or whatever here can help me figure this very odd and on its face incongruous circumstance out;

The period January 1931 to January 2015 is (or will have been) 84 years.

In that period the congressional record is or will have been thus regarding presidential and congressional makeup:

Presidency
Democrat 48 years (57%)
Republican 36 years (42%)

Senate majority
Democrat 64 years (76%)
Republican 20 years (23%)

House majority
Democrat 62 years (74%)
Republican 22 years (26%)

Consecutive House and Senate Majority
Democrat 56 years (67%)
Republican 14 years (17%)

Consecutive Presidency, House and Sensate Majority
Democrat 24 years (29%)
Republican 12 years (14%)

From this historic record Democrats have enjoyed a control advantage for the better part of 85 years. So, either the Democrats just woke up in the past couple of years as to how things work or... we are living the Democrat Dream.

Which is it?
Today it is clear that the Republican party, the T... (show quote)


It's their dream...a frigging NIGHTMARE!

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Oct 18, 2014 19:34:58   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The left loves to corrupt the language, fascism, socialism, communism, liberalism, and progressivism, are ALL sister ideologies whose roots are collectivism and totalitarianism. And their goals are also the same, only the minor details are different


yep..minor details...for them it is who do they murder next? They don't care.....too bad they don't keep murdering each other more often...the black democrats have that one perfected...wish the rest of the dip stick democraps would hurry up and learn that as well. If they need help, I would gladly donate lots of gas and matches.....

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Oct 18, 2014 20:48:05   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
J Anthony wrote:
Oh dear, i guess i owe you an apology...you're only trying to educate us and make an oh so relevant point that ....what? That one ideology is better than the other? That's kind of relative, isn't it? I will continue to stress my own point that there's enough blame to go around, SO LET'S MOVE ON. Why is that aa problem? What are your ideas for solutions? That's what matters now. I am capable of debating you on any topic under the sun. But this is not real debate. With all due respect, this thread of yours is smug, partisan crap.
Oh dear, i guess i owe you an apology...you're onl... (show quote)


Why are you choking on this simple thread? I really don't understand your angst.

Democrats have been in power for 64 of 84 years. They have obviously not been influential to the extent they desired. They keep blaming somebody else.

You continue to insinuate intent on my behalf. I said nothing about ideological superiority, you are saying that. The lesson here is that unbalanced partisanship is deadly. For some reason you suffer over exposing this truth.

Personally I don't think historic Republican majority would have resulted in a more positive outcome. But that's not the issue here.

You want to talk about solutions? Lets talk about restoration of balance. A balance of socialist and capitalist ideologies that was the basis of this country in the first place. That has been destroyed by the very partisan foolishness we are arguing here. That's the lesson.

To say you can stand toe to toe and debate solutions is stupidly brazen; not that I have superior intellect; but because the solutions are beyond our reach without full knowledge of the problem.

Below you say people want jobs. But there are no jobs. To be frank and real, how in hell can solutions to this or any other ailment be discussed when the cause, the problem is not described and agreed on?

People out of work is not a problem; it's an effect, it is a symptom. So, what's the cause? You wan to talk about something at a higher level, let talk about that first...

Why are there no jobs? Lets agree on that and we'll know how to make jobs. And no, it's not by any means that easy...

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Oct 18, 2014 23:34:26   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
CDM wrote:
You are expanding on the concept that the Democrat Dream has been a long time in the planning. In the course of digging out the (simple) data for this thread (from the Library of Congress) I came across a number of very telling legislative actions that obviously contribute to how we got here.

For example there is legislation all through the period that modifies, amends or totally rewrites banking, savings & loan and mortgage regulations, all instigated by Democrats in the House and/or Senate. The vast majority of the most critically damaging of such legislation has been signed into law by Democrat presidents. They, in all cases could have vetoed...but they didn't. Why?

Back to your point; it took time and effort to start turning this ship into the iceberg. It's reasonable to think that the guys who had the wheel for the majority of the time contributed to the collision, eh?
You are expanding on the concept that the Democrat... (show quote)


CDM, considering that the Constitution guarantees pursuit of Life, Liberty and Property, the Democrats fear the Founding Fathers more than the tyrants abroad. Destroying the banking system is their hope to dismantle democracy:

* Look at the creation of the Federal Reserve Board, actually, Woodrow Wilson wanted a National Bank.

* Look at FDR's National Industrial Recovery Act overturning the anti-trust laws to facilitate the growth of monopolies. (capitalism is competition)

* Look more recently at the Community Reinvestment Act placing loan quotas to the poor on the banking community,

* the creation of the Federal Housing Authority Banks,

* Clinton's Commodity and Futures Modernization Act deregulating any oversight of the FHA Banks,

* and Dodd-Frank, actually expanding the size of the Big Banks to Big to Fail. Now there are some 6 major banks owning 2/3rds of all the baking industry.

* Worse, President Obama has expanded HUD and FHA mortgage control over 90% of all home buyers.

Where do small business owners go to find start-up capital?

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