Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Well said, Steve. You are exactly right, and there is a reason for the difference. All progressives and communists are sociopaths and psychopaths, completely devoid of finer instincts. They are missing the fine tuning humans are supposed to have. They don't have the ability to comprehend honor, integrity, compassion, guilt, love, sacrifice.Their primary emotions are hate, fear, anger, hatred, jelousy, and love of self......they demonstrate all of the above all day every day and the exceptions could be counted on one finger.

bylm1-Bernie

Obama doesn't scare me. He terrifies me. I'm 76 and know there aren't too many more years to endure this but I'm mostly concerned for my children and grandchildren as well as millions of others who will suffer the ravages of what this regime has brought about. I know who will prevail in the end but in the meantime it isn't going to be nice. What a difference from what I expected to be seeing 40 or 50 years ago. I really do not think the left is going to see the light until it is too late.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Perhaps a wider outlook on history might help


"Most societies throughout history, even the wealthiest and mightiest, have eventually collapsed and died. Why
Why don't they just continue to evolve and flourish as their knowledge and technology grow? What allows some cultures to continually bloom, and others to wither?
This question-normally one of mere historical and academic concern-is increasingly relevant to to millions of Americans as they behold their beloved nation struggling in the grip of unprecedented financial, political, cultural and moral conflict. Indeed, many are warning that American is not immune to the forces and influences that have caused other great empires to self destruct.
In particular, traditional-minded voices point to America's rapid growth of homosexuality- not only in its prevalence, but in its virtual celebration-as eerily reminiscent of Sodom and Gomorrah, the ancient cities whose destruction due to rampant immorality is described in the Old Testament of the Bible.
From the time of this nation's founding all the way up until the current era, mainstream Americans held the Bible to be their ultimate guidebook, and the "Judeo-Christian values" it espoused as their highest principles.
Today, however, especially throughout the elite realms of academia, science, government and the news and entertainment media- the Bible on longer retains the stature and universal credibility it once did. In its place we listen to sociologists, scientists and other "experts"
Sex and Culture
Perhaps the definitive work on the rise and fall of civilizations was published in 1934 by Oxford anthropologist .D. Unwin. In "sex and culture" Unwin studied 86 human civilizations ranging from the tiny South Seas island principalities to mighty Rome. He found a society's destiny is linked inseparably to the limits it imposes on sexual expression and that those sexual constraints correlate directly to its theological sophistication and religious commitment.
Unwin noted that the most primitive societies had only rudimentary spiritual beliefs and virtually no restrictions on sexual expression, whereas societies with more sophisticated theologies placed higher restrictions on sexual expression and achieved greater social development.
In particular cultures that adopt what Unwin dubbed "absolute monogamy" proved to be the most vigorous, economically productive, artistically creative, scientifically innovative and geographically expansive societies on earth.
Absolute monogamy is a very strict moral code. Under absolute monogamy, sex can occur only within one man-one woman marriage' Premarital and extramarital sex are not tolerated, and divorce is prohibited.
Understandably, the only societies that practice absolute monogamy are the ones that take their religion very seriously Whether monotheistic or polytheistic, they believe devoutly in God or gods, and they order their society according to divine moral laws.
Unwin's contemporary Arnold Toynbee, was much more explicit bout the centrality of religion in history Toynbee's masterpiece, his 12 volume "study of history" charted the rise and fall of 26 civilizations. In Toynbee's view "the course of human history consists of a series of encounters...in which each man, woman or child... is challenged by God to make the free choice between God's will and refusing to do it."
Why exactly does absolute monogamy bring vitality to a society? According to anthropologist Margaret Mead the central problem of every society is the appropriate roles for men. Monogamous societies require men to choose either lifelong celibacy or responsibilities of a family, fidelity, bread winning and fatherhood" these are stablising choices.
Heyak in his Why Nations Fail said the two main forces toward decline were collectivist governments and unstable family and community groups. (primary article by Brian Fitzpatrick November 2010)

So when you state that what people do in their personal lives is none of your business, think again. It most assuredly does in significant ways that you are not even aware of.

straightUp Loc: California

No lack of wisdom - just a lack of bullshit. First of all, there were plenty of people that helped build this nation without getting married. Marriage might be the foundation for the "typical family" but that doesn't make it the foundation of this nation. That's just something melodramatic people like to say and it has zero substance.


Sounds like a stupid opinion to me.


Again, that's bullshit. plenty of people grew up to be upright citizens while missing a parent. I agree that a missing parent CAN be detrimental - it depends on how strong or weak the child is, but it's not a requirement. I also happen to know that many gay marriages DO provide a child with two parents. Sometimes two moms, sometime two dads... whatever. Also, it's already been proven that kids that grow up in these environments don't necessarily become gay themselves.

You are basically reaching for any excuse to demonize the gay people and it's sick. I don't believe your side has ANY interest in helping children gain more wholesome environments either because if you did, you wouldn't encourage work environments that push people to work so hard they never SEE their kids.

In Europe new mothers get to take a year off from work to be with their child. We don't do that here because WE think it's more important to work hard and we scoff at the Europeans for being lazy, when in reality their maternity leaves and more frequent vacations and shorter work weeks lead to more quality time with their families. The American solution is to send our kids to day care and it's the conservatives that push this model.
Sad fact... Europeans spend more time with their kids than Americans do.

Conservative morons think this is OK as long as they censor the TV that they use for a babysitter, which is why every single conservative campaign to improve family values is 100% concerned with censorship. No concern for anything like quality time.

Because of you conservative zombies, most young American parents DO have to drop their kids off at day care. My family was very fortunate that I was making enough money to support the family so my wife could stay home with our kids. We are the exception to the rule. Other conservative movements such as the opposition to family planning also leads to children who have to deal with unprepared parents which is far worse than gay parents.

I could go on but you really hit the mother lode of lame bullshit when you say banning gay marriage is somehow going to make up for all the other impairments conservatives heaved on the American family.


It's hard to see the degeneracy that you are imagining, when there's so much more real degeneracy caused by conservative prejudice and ignorance.

teaman

I don't know where you come from, but you are totally lost! Conservatism is about smaller Gooberment, not the totally out of control bunch of idiots that are driven by stupidity! Gooberment is not your God and should not be worshiped, which most in our Nation do! Gooberment has failed at every level forcing us into over 17 trillion dollar debt which the next 10 generations will have to deal with!

There is nothing wrong with federal and state welfare programs as long as they are strictly policed.....which is not happening now!

Conservative simply means, find your own way!!!! Don't look to others to butter your bread, provide housing, or pay for your education! If you have to shovel shit out of a ditch to make a living, then shovel more shit than anyone else! Stop whining and stop looking to Gooberment(YOUR GOD) to force fix everything!

Conservative also means have morals and don't make them up as you go! Lying, cheating, stealing, corruption, and back stabbing is absolutely no way to live....in fact, this is exactly what is destroying our Nation!
This is the way it goes: "I like something, but it is against the law(GOD OR MAN) and is really not good for me....but I like it" "So I get with a group of like minded idiots and fight to change the law or mind set(FORCEFULLY) to my way of thanking" Example, the homosexual movement, same sex marriage, gender identity, political correctness, and EPA disproven crap!

Thanks to todays mind set, our Nation is now known as the ""UN-UNITED PERVERTED STATES OF AMERICA", Pandora's box is wide open and every creepy crawly known to man is coming forth!

Brian Devon

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The ultimate degeneracy??? That would be murdering innocent civilians in foreign lands to steal their resources and to see the value of your "defense" stock portfolios rise.

Of course, as long as you don't use naughty words, go to church, and keep your winky out of the wrong orifice, Jesus will love you and you will get to sit next to him, Jimmy Swaggart, and Dick Cheney, when you finally get to heaven...

Steve700

You are truly living in opposite land. Just keep spitting in the face of God 'cuz you're going to see what that brings in the next few years. And please remember me saying this to you, because your wisdom and understanding is so low that you will never know the why of it. I am giving you a clue NOW.

Brian Devon

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Thanks Steve. I'm off to the Bibleland bookstore to get my marching orders from my pre-scientific ancient ancestors. I suspect most of them, with access to modern biology, anthropology, and geology, would never have written down the things they did.

Are you really this much of an ignoramus or is it just an act???

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

The ultimate degeneracy? Murdering millions of babies because the whore who couldn't keep her pants on decided she was too important to be roped with a baby OF HER MAKING. MOST abortions occur by choice NOT related to rape, incest, endangerment to the mother and/or the baby, but simply because one who risks pregnancy through absolute neglect is ALLOWED BY A DEGENERATE GOVERNMENT TO MURDER THAT MOST INNOCENT OF LIVES.

I've never known a conservative or a Christian who elected to have an abortion. Conservatives KNOW more than the Supreme Court. That "court" cannot determine what constitutes life, but it can hang a man for killing a baby, but the woman walks scot free if she chooses to murder the baby she ACCEPTED WHEN SHE DECIDED TO HAVE SEX. She missed the time to "choose". She should have chosen to keep her pants on. Equality under the law?! What a stupid and vapid concept that isn't working in the USA. But then, nothing of any value whatsoever works in the USA any more. The progs have destroyed almost all that is good and wholesome.

Steve700

As Did you know that the ancients who wrote the Scriptures that make up the Old Testament of the Bible stated that the earth was a sphere suspended by nothing. How is that for scientific accuracy? In spite of that the whole world went on believing that the earth was flat for century after century. I've told you before fulfilled in fulfilling prophecy as well is archaeological digs confirmed the authenticity, accuracy and correctness of the Bible. It is totally Self Proving but you won't do any research and the facts that I have provided in the past don't stay in your brain long enough to consider them much less add them all up to perceive that totality of the evidence. You are ignorant and wish to stay that way; it's as simple as that. Also the Bible says that in the end times (that is now) that knowledge will be increasing exponentially at an ever increasing rate, troubles will abound and people will be running to and fro in confusion for lack of wisdom. Does that not describe the world today ??? And mark my words It Only Gets Worse From Here Within two years Iran will have gotten the bomb (more than likely a good number of them) and the Mideast Muslims will have their caliphate. Damascus will be destroyed. Then the real trouble will begin. (Probably much of New York and America will be destroyed as well) By 2020 we will be more than halfway through the tribulations where 1/3 to 2/3's of humanity will be dead. Rome and/or Mecca will also be destroyed around this time. A big event like an economic collapse or a major false flag event enabling Obama to declare martial law, assume the powers of a dictator and remain on as our dictator will occur before his presidential term is scheduled to expire. MARK MY WORDS Before 1923 Armageddon will occur because there will be so much chaos and the world will be in such jeopardy that it will naïvely seem to much of the world that the only way to bring world peace is to appease the Muslims try assist in destroyihg the Jews. Not only will many Arab countries will participate but Russia and likely others. For you it will be a big mistake but bring the Christian fantasy utopia (the real utopia) into being. MARK MY WORDS little of this will be found to be in error. I know a lot of different things that you have absolutely no knowledge of and they all paint and undeniable and accurate picture including a fairly accurate approximate timeline.

Brian Devon

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I did mark your words. I filed them under the category I reserve for "frightened, ignorant, superstitious people".

Steve700

Good boy - But - That is your problem. You may file it wherever you like but Read it again. I added more.

You should also read the post third from the top on this page from No propaganda please

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

I think that you are right about there not being many liberals at this present time. The so called liberal is now called a progressive which in my opinion is just another word for communist. We were told in the fifties that we would be defeated from the inside, by the communists. Now I believe, it is now a fact, that our country is being changed to meet that goal.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

That's why thy HAD TO GET RID OF Joe McCarthy - he was getting to close to finding all the commies. So they went back into their closets, waiting for the time it was safe to come out. They worked behind the scenes all that time, making incremental changes so as to not disturb us, then when Obama entered the pic, the time was ripe for their emergence from their closets. Aoila!! The goal now is to turn the United States of America into a 3rd world country. And they are doing a bang up job of doing it. I haven't a clue why they feel this will help them in their decadent needs. It'll hurt them probably more than it will hurt us.

Brian Devon

[quote=Tasine]That's why thy HAD TO GET RID OF Joe McCarthy - he was getting to close to finding all the commies.
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Actually McCarthy got rid of himself. He pickled himself in whiskey, dying quite young, from alcoholism.
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So they went back into their closets, waiting for the time it was safe to come out.
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Actually, the only one who went back into his closet was America's favorite "commie" bashing drag queen, J. Edgar Hoover.

While Hoover was looking for commies under everyone else's bed, his homosexual male "secretary" was hiding under his double bed.